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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954803
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One mob don’t like to hire outside let alone black gang type shit....not saying it does not happen....but if it did and the shooter knows the made guy that did the hire then you are going to have a dead or missing black guy soon because he is probably collecting the other part of the money and when he does he himself may be gone !

I don’t think these guys are leaving loose ends unless it’s a big partnership with years of exchange between the two.

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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954805
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Zottolas were never involved in drugs ,they supplied video poker machines and are involved in construction. This is a mob hit for sure. Terry Caldwell is black and killed Mike Meldish by orders of the Luccheses back in 2013

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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954806
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i think is a mob hit even if the shooter is black or latinos, he was hired
the mafia used not italians killers even in the past, just see crazy joe gallo, or when they used jewish and irish under prohibitionism in the 1920s

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954807
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Terry Caldwell wasn't really connected to any kind of street gang though; he'd been a close friend and associate of a few Bonanno wiseguys for years.
The shooter who was caught on camera during that botched hit on Salvatore Zottola struck me like any modern day street gang member. I wouldn't put my money on this being an ordered mob hit. Though of course you never know, the times are changing and cooperation between different organized criminal outfits - be they mafia, other ethnic mob outfits, street gangs or biker groups - is more common than ever.

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954812
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i think the salvatore zottola attempted hit was mob related too, first he was not involved in drugs and second it was in throggs neck that it is a white neighborhood, usually street gangs commit murders in their zones, not outside
i think it is ordered by basciano, probably they hurted him, or somebody who wants take over basciano

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954813
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It's too soon to say, but the feds will be all over this. This can't be happening anymore in NY.


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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: m2w] #954814
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Originally Posted by m2w
i think the salvatore zottola attempted hit was mob related too, first he was not involved in drugs and second it was in throggs neck that it is a white neighborhood, usually street gangs commit murders in their zones, not outside
i think it is ordered by basciano, probably they hurted him, or somebody who wants take over basciano


As stated by others, we can only speculate. Cons that used to work with Basciano have been turning up dead after he was sent away for a while now; Van Zandt's death for instance was also ruled suspicious. Basciano also had a real knack for forming ties with non-LCN groups; Black and Hispanic gangs, Albanians, Russians...
Maybe he's behind things happening right now, maybe not. Who knows. I don't know how much power he still holds at the moment.
What's certain is that someone really really wanted Zottola whacked; and maybe his son's about to follow.

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954819
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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954822
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I wonder what PB thinks of it all.


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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: Serpiente] #954825
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Originally Posted by Serpiente
if it did and the shooter knows the made guy that did the hire then you are going to have a dead or missing black guy soon because he is probably collecting the other part of the money and when he does he himself may be gone !


lol. Watch the Sopranos much?


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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954831
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The details in the article make the hit seem really well thought out. He frequented McDonald's and the shooter climbed through a fence, waited until he was boxed in at the drive-thru, etc.

Seems like a mob hit.

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: OakAsFan] #954838
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Originally Posted by Serpiente
if it did and the shooter knows the made guy that did the hire then you are going to have a dead or missing black guy soon because he is probably collecting the other part of the money and when he does he himself may be gone !


lol. Watch the Sopranos much?


No have not seen many , never watched when it was a thing . Why is there a same situation ? Because I say it because I know how some of these guys think . Let me tell you I’ve been in card games that I thought someone was not going to leave alive let alone mob guys and even associates...most times guys get fucked up over woman often. They are not the best bunch of people you know and outsiders are bait !

You got to read how Colombo was hit .....in the times that a outside hit man was used not many that were not associates or family got away they would disappear or end up hit and if he was not connected it was just another murder.

Check out Philly this year so far in September over 1000 murders 1000 you don’t think any of them were used as pawns then hit ....they were.

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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954841
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Why did the daily news call him a Luchese associate?

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954842
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The government files in the Basciano indictment also make mention of Zottola as a Lucchese associate.

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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954844
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Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #954848
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Hate to add to speculation, but what are the chances Crea ordered this? It's looking like he will be in jail for a long time. What does he have to lose.

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: Flushing] #954849
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Originally Posted by Flushing
Hate to add to speculation, but what are the chances Crea ordered this? It's looking like he will be in jail for a long time. What does he have to lose.


Why what’s the conflict between them ?


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Could these guys not have moved away? Or had serious protection?! Wtf it’s like they accepting they gonna die. 2018 and it’s so blatant! Truth will come out soon - these hitters aren’t exactly murder inc

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: sbhc] #954862
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Originally Posted by sbhc
That report states that the shooter was a black man so this might not be LCN related.

Unless they used some hood to do it for them.


It said the killer was wearing a black hoodie, not that he was black.


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With all the attempts on him and his son is anyone surprised that they were not under surveillance?

Re: Zottola Whacked Today in the Bronx [Re: Serpiente] #954869
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Originally Posted by Serpiente

Originally Posted by Flushing
Hate to add to speculation, but what are the chances Crea ordered this? It's looking like he will be in jail for a long time. What does he have to lose.


Why what’s the conflict between them ?


Not sure, though it's been discussed that the Lukes in the Bronx despise the Bronx bonannos (see Enzo the baker)

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the feds are pushing hard for the son to flip. They’re probably pushing the narrative of your next and we’re the only ones that can save you.

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Originally Posted by Michael_Giovanni
I wouldn’t be surprised if the feds are pushing hard for the son to flip. They’re probably pushing the narrative of your next and we’re the only ones that can save you.




I think that by now they have shown they are not afraid, unless the father was the one keeping the son strong. It seems they have had no one backing them up.

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Originally Posted by Ted
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That report states that the shooter was a black man so this might not be LCN related.

Unless they used some hood to do it for them.


It said the killer was wearing a black hoodie, not that he was black.


There's no clear description of the killer yet, but the gunman from the previous attempt was described as black or light-skinned black (possibly Dominican). I'd say there's non-Italians involved here. Either as hired muscle or as actually the ones behind it all.

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Originally Posted by Flushing
Hate to add to speculation, but what are the chances Crea ordered this? It's looking like he will be in jail for a long time. What does he have to lose.


Why what’s the conflict between them ?


Not sure, though it's been discussed that the Lukes in the Bronx despise the Bronx bonannos (see Enzo the baker)


Whacking a member - even a described high ranking associate - from another family out of dislike seems to be out of character for today's mob. I don't have a feeling the current scene of mobsters feel "taking over" with brute force would do any party any good.
Yet here they've been coming back time and time again to make sure at least one of the Zottola's won't see the light of day again. This was personal. They pissed someone off really bad.

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Maybe Zips.


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Originally Posted by Flushing
Originally Posted by Serpiente

Originally Posted by Flushing
Hate to add to speculation, but what are the chances Crea ordered this? It's looking like he will be in jail for a long time. What does he have to lose.


Why what’s the conflict between them ?


Not sure, though it's been discussed that the Lukes in the Bronx despise the Bronx bonannos (see Enzo the baker)


Enzo the Baker was shot by Michael Meldish and Terrence Caldwell, without the permission of the Lucchese hierarchy. Meldish did it as revenge against Mike Mancuso. It was one of the main reasons for Meldish's demise.
Stagno's attempted murder points to no conflict between Crea and the Bonannos. In fact, it actually shows that the Luccheses were willing to whack a guy to avoid disrespect/retaliation from the Bonannos, among other things.

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^^^^^Thanks Nicky ^^^^^^


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wonder if in this day and age the shooters actually went out the way to get a stolen car or atleast stolen plates so the police cant check tapes and tracked down the murder vehicle in 48hrs. if they just did 1 of those 2 things they might get away with it but i just believe there morons who took there baby moms car to do a hit and are probaly already getting grilled at the station as i type

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You think it's black guys that did it?


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Ny post says a blackman in a black hoody

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