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Re: What made Gotti so likeable? [Re: JCrusher] #954678
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal.


Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name?


In my thoughts, I use the technique of positive visualization.
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I would've thought it was common knowledge to anybody with a cursory interest in the mob that Gotti's crew were heavy into drug deals and financing drug deals. Gene Gotti, Junior, his grandsons all deal/dealt drugs.

It's also being confirmed that the 4th of July parties, again financed with drug money and not out of Gotti's pocket, were done not out of benevolence, but to influence criminal elements against the government and Feds.

Just like it's being confirmed in myriad sources that Gotti had people orchestrating the riots outside the courthouse after his sentence.

I mean, if you have proof to the contrary I would love to hear it and will retract what I said.

Yup.



Always thought this was common knowledge as well and that it was actually one of the reasons they got backlash from the Castellano faction. The drug involvement that is.

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I would've thought it was common knowledge to anybody with a cursory interest in the mob that Gotti's crew were heavy into drug deals and financing drug deals. Gene Gotti, Junior, his grandsons all deal/dealt drugs.

It's also being confirmed that the 4th of July parties, again financed with drug money and not out of Gotti's pocket, were done not out of benevolence, but to influence criminal elements against the government and Feds.

Just like it's being confirmed in myriad sources that Gotti had people orchestrating the riots outside the courthouse after his sentence.

I mean, if you have proof to the contrary I would love to hear it and will retract what I said.

Yup.



Always thought this was common knowledge as well and that it was actually one of the reasons they got backlash from the Castellano faction. The drug involvement that is.

Exactly. What makes me laugh is when people defend gotti by saying"oh he would never sell drugs" But they leave out the fact that he knew about it and profited from it. So it showed he was a shitty capo and obviously didnt care that drugs were sold

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I certainly don't respect any mobster, and I don't know if I'd call any of them likeable, but Jackie DiNorscio is pantsplittingly hilarious. He's like the mob's version of Rodney Dangerfield.


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Saw that Vin Diesel movie about him. Meh. I remember that HBO documentary from the 90s that had a segment on DiNorscio, and the big guy Frank Minucci who was in Carlito's Way. Guess he was with the Gambinos.


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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal.


Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name?



A myth put out by the FBI and media.

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Originally Posted by jace
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal.


Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name?



A myth put out by the FBI and media.

i call horseshit on that one

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
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Also the 4th of July parties were for HIS benefit. Having the neighborhood on your side to give you info on cops/fbi watching him was his goal.


Exactly. It was the same on Mulberry. Citizens preventing the authorities from doing surveillance on criminal elements in their neighborhood. How is this tolerable? You think people like Gotti give a crap about all the 17 year old and 18 year old neighborhood kids who ended up with criminal records because mobsters used them, took advantage of them and got them to riot and destroy public property in his name?



A myth put out by the FBI and media.

i call horseshit on that one


I'll always remember seeing Bruce Mouw talk about the way ordinary people were duped, specifically younger people, by John Gotti and his family into believing the Robin Hood esque myths about him, while ignoring the part about his destructive role on society. He actually got a little bit emotional about it. It struck me as very sincere.

But I imagine if I had a similar job in trying to do something constructive for the good of society and the media almost makes a conscious effort to portray the criminality you're fighting as glamorous to impressionable people I'd probably get pretty disenchanted.

I guess we are talking about a society where a few years before these events people were literally spitting on Vietnam vets, so there you go.


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How do you get spitting on vets from Gotti and his Fourth of July parties? All over the United States people set off fireworks and threw parties, Gotti did it and it became an issue to people. Also, Bruce Mouw was more of a racketeer than Gotti, he made a fortune off Gotti by raising him up in public eye at the same time he portrays himself as the Elliot Ness of the FBI.

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Originally Posted by jace
How do you get spitting on vets from Gotti and his Fourth of July parties? All over the United States people set off fireworks and threw parties, Gotti did it and it became an issue to people. Also, Bruce Mouw was more of a racketeer than Gotti, he made a fortune off Gotti by raising him up in public eye at the same time he portrays himself as the Elliot Ness of the FBI.

So now Bruce Mouw is a racketeer? I get the sense you dont like any cops or FBI. Now Granted there have been some bad ones obviously i will never deny that. But most were simply doing their job. As i said before those 4th of July parties were not because he gave two shits about those people. Unfortunetly many of Those people were naive and gullible.

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by jace
How do you get spitting on vets from Gotti and his Fourth of July parties? All over the United States people set off fireworks and threw parties, Gotti did it and it became an issue to people. Also, Bruce Mouw was more of a racketeer than Gotti, he made a fortune off Gotti by raising him up in public eye at the same time he portrays himself as the Elliot Ness of the FBI.

So now Bruce Mouw is a racketeer? I get the sense you dont like any cops or FBI. Now Granted there have been some bad ones obviously i will never deny that. But most were simply doing their job. As i said before those 4th of July parties were not because he gave two shits about those people. Unfortunetly many of Those people were naive and gullible.


Aren't you possibly being the gullible one? How can you know how Gotti felt about the people of the are he hung out in? You can't. Mouw is the one who built up Gotti's image to enhance his own reputation. He had a squad of agents with one goal of getting Gotti, and stayed on that gravy train for years. If you believe all his propaganda yet say others are gullible you need to rethink things.

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Originally Posted by jace
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How do you get spitting on vets from Gotti and his Fourth of July parties? All over the United States people set off fireworks and threw parties, Gotti did it and it became an issue to people. Also, Bruce Mouw was more of a racketeer than Gotti, he made a fortune off Gotti by raising him up in public eye at the same time he portrays himself as the Elliot Ness of the FBI.

So now Bruce Mouw is a racketeer? I get the sense you dont like any cops or FBI. Now Granted there have been some bad ones obviously i will never deny that. But most were simply doing their job. As i said before those 4th of July parties were not because he gave two shits about those people. Unfortunetly many of Those people were naive and gullible.


Aren't you possibly being the gullible one? How can you know how Gotti felt about the people of the are he hung out in? You can't. Mouw is the one who built up Gotti's image to enhance his own reputation. He had a squad of agents with one goal of getting Gotti, and stayed on that gravy train for years. If you believe all his propaganda yet say others are gullible you need to rethink things.

Nah im not gullible...Nobody influences my beliefs. I guess i dont respect murderers

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No need to apologize I don't respect murderers either, and I do not expect others to do that. I am just trying to be objective in looking at organized crime and the topics around it such as this one.

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Originally Posted by jace
No need to apologize I don't respect murderers either, and I do not expect others to do that. I am just trying to be objective in looking at organized crime and the topics around it such as this one.

im not apologizing it was sarcasm lol. I thought you calling me gullible was ridiculous tbh.

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
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No need to apologize I don't respect murderers either, and I do not expect others to do that. I am just trying to be objective in looking at organized crime and the topics around it such as this one.

im not apologizing it was sarcasm lol. I thought you calling me gullible was ridiculous tbh.



I'm trying to be polite and avoid a dispute.

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Originally Posted by jace
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No need to apologize I don't respect murderers either, and I do not expect others to do that. I am just trying to be objective in looking at organized crime and the topics around it such as this one.

im not apologizing it was sarcasm lol. I thought you calling me gullible was ridiculous tbh.



I'm trying to be polite and avoid a dispute.

i didnt do anything. You called me gullible. I feel im very objective about gotti. But im not gonna sit here and say he was some great person for neighborhood. All you have to do is listen to his jailtapes to get a sense of what type of person he was. Those are HIS words

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His jail tapes were released selectively by the feds, and against the law too. So they make laws and disregard them yet put others in prisons for it. The tapes were not that bad, he was in a tough prison, for life and went on a rant. How would you handle it? He was likable, get over it. Too bad he was not still alive, you could write him and ask for advice on how to be more likable. I will also go by the people of his neighborhood over anyone who Neve was living there. He was liked in Ozone Park, Howard Beach, and all over Manhattan. Before he was well known he had many friends, he had to have a likable quality about him. It's fact.

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Originally Posted by jace
His jail tapes were released selectively by the feds, and against the law too. So they make laws and disregard them yet put others in prisons for it. The tapes were not that bad, he was in a tough prison, for life and went on a rant. How would you handle it? He was likable, get over it. Too bad he was not still alive, you could write him and ask for advice on how to be more likable. I will also go by the people of his neighborhood over anyone who Neve was living there. He was liked in Ozone Park, Howard Beach, and all over Manhattan. Before he was well known he had many friends, he had to have a likable quality about him. It's fact.

" im trying to be polite and avoid a dispute" lol yeah right. I have no problem that you like Gotti thats fine but we are talking about a criminal and murderer so its tough to say he was treated unfairly

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I think it was simply his don't give a fuck attitude toward authority. I think most everyone would like to thumb their nose at 'the man' but most don't have the balls to do it.

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I'm not sure he was always likable - I think for all accounts that Gotti wore on everyone eventually and they got fed up with his act. His whole bag was being a pariah for the family but in the end, he set the family back two decades because of his own ego.

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Originally Posted by irishkaos
I'm not sure he was always likable - I think for all accounts that Gotti wore on everyone eventually and they got fed up with his act. His whole bag was being a pariah for the family but in the end, he set the family back two decades because of his own ego.

Good Post. Thats pretty accurate

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He was treated unfairly when they leaked tapes that were illegal to leak, and they leaked only what they chose to leak. That's unfair. If they do it to one person, they do it to others later. Wrong is wrong. It also has nothing to do with why Gotti was likable. If a thread pops up on "Why was Carmine Galente so lovable" or "Ten reasons Roy Demeo would have been a great babysitter" I'd be disagreeing on that. Joey Merlino seems to be liked, why is a good and fair question. Tony Mirra is said to have been hated, going by what is said on this site. I never weighed in. I feel no need to. You don't just hate Gotti and many others, you get upset if anyone says anything positive about him,

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Originally Posted by jace
He was treated unfairly when they leaked tapes that were illegal to leak, and they leaked only what they chose to leak. That's unfair. If they do it to one person, they do it to others later. Wrong is wrong. It also has nothing to do with why Gotti was likable. If a thread pops up on "Why was Carmine Galente so lovable" or "Ten reasons Roy Demeo would have been a great babysitter" I'd be disagreeing on that. Joey Merlino seems to be liked, why is a good and fair question. Tony Mirra is said to have been hated, going by what is said on this site. I never weighed in. I feel no need to. You don't just hate Gotti and many others, you get upset if anyone says anything positive about him,

You get mad when anything critical is said about gotti which lets be honest is well earned. You did a lot of that crap. But i tried to be a bigger person and sent you a very nice message trying to make peace. That lasted like one day then you accused me of "preaching" and working for MoeTilden. So after that i was done being nice. However i wont be disrespectful because i respect this board. Lets just agree to disagree

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I am not getting mad, and don't lie saying I told the board you sent me messages, you outed yourself on that one.

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Originally Posted by jace
I am not getting mad, and don't lie saying I told the board you sent me messages, you outed yourself on that one.

did you even read what i said? Im not hiding that.

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You will never get a movie starring John Travolta made on your life if you keep this up.

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You will never get a movie starring John Travolta made on your life if you keep this up.

Thank God. That movie was dogshit. But come to think of it thats a good description of him lol

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You will never get a movie starring John Travolta made on your life if you keep this up.

Thank God. That movie was dogshit. But come to think of it thats a good description of him lol



Not a description of him to all those who liked him. Many loved him. Besides, it was a joke. You missed it

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You will never get a movie starring John Travolta made on your life if you keep this up.

Thank God. That movie was dogshit. But come to think of it thats a good description of him lol



Not a description of him to all those who liked him. Many loved him. Besides, it was a joke. You missed it

No i didnt miss it. Im just messing with you. Anyway lets just end this. Once again i will be the bigger person, have a good night jace no hard feelings

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