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Persico being kept in Prison for Life #953657
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Blind and in a wheelchair and served 29 years, but they will not let him go home


https://aboutthemafia.com/carmine-persico-losses-another-battle-in-his-fight-for-release

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: jace] #953658
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the G is wrong....he should be let out..but karma is back to haunt him..he ordered many men murdered, ruined many families..he is paying back a bunch of dead souls coming back to haunt him..

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: bronx] #953660
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Originally Posted by bronx
the G is wrong....he should be let out..but karma is back to haunt him..he ordered many men murdered, ruined many families..he is paying back a bunch of dead souls coming back to haunt him..



Why he should be let out? He continue in a way or another to run the colombos,if maybe he would stepped down as boss to orena in 1990 maybe and say maybe. Funari in another way was too old to turn back to life and died short after. So the snake will die in prison and for sure in the colombos many peole wait that this idiot die for rebuilt the family.

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Thanks for the news Jace. Bronx summed it up pretty well. Karma's a bitch.

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: jace] #953673
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Told everyone that they would not believe the next pictures they see of him it’s not pretty ....all photos are twenty years old (that you all see) very big difference from 60’s to 80’s with bad health in a prison.

And all guys in that life should pay .....but the fucken rats are running free ... regardless if you order or do the killing you sign up for that shit when you get involved.....very very rarely do you get pushed into the life .

Whole lot of murdering scum bags at 50 and 60 are running around the streets on the feds dime .

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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: furio_from_naples] #953709
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by the legal standard, not my opinion Furio, he was not boss and was convicted as boss, so they are just punishing him for being a boss and murderer .but they are the law and should not base their opinion or though of other crimes.law is law..except when they want to usurp it

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: bronx] #953728
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Originally Posted by bronx
by the legal standard, not my opinion Furio, he was not boss and was convicted as boss, so they are just punishing him for being a boss and murderer .but they are the law and should not base their opinion or though of other crimes.law is law..except when they want to usurp it


Yes Bronx,law is law and for this Persico should die in prison;even on a wheelchair he was a simbol for the colombos while if the feds continue to keep him in jail give the message to all the criminals that if you break the law you will pay until the end and anyway persico for sure now stay in a medical detector center.
Bronx if persico wasnt the colombo boss who was the real boss?

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: furio_from_naples] #953732
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by bronx
by the legal standard, not my opinion Furio, he was not boss and was convicted as boss, so they are just punishing him for being a boss and murderer .but they are the law and should not base their opinion or though of other crimes.law is law..except when they want to usurp it


Yes Bronx,law is law and for this Persico should die in prison;even on a wheelchair he was a simbol for the colombos while if the feds continue to keep him in jail give the message to all the criminals that if you break the law you will pay until the end and anyway persico for sure now stay in a medical detector center.
Bronx if persico wasnt the colombo boss who was the real boss?


At the time of the Carmine Galante hit, it's thought by many that Thomas DiBella was still the boss of the family at this point. There's quite a bit of evidence to support that. Persico probably did not assume the boss mantle until his release from prison (I can't remember if that was later in 1979 or in 1980).
Persico's lawyers have gathered a lot of evidence, straight from the FBI itself, that backs up that assertion. Prior to this, the theory was that Persico assumed the boss mantle sometime in the mid-1970s whilst in prison, and DiBella was his acting boss as opposed to official.

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He should not be kept as a symbol or to be made an example of. They let cop killers get paroled, including ones who set up police ambushes. They let Manson Family members go home, and even a few terrorists, some have done less time than Persico. They even parole Tham while they are still healthy and no where near Persico's age or physical state. He has done 29 years and is no longer a threat.

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Persico didn't do himself any favors by representing himself in court either


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thanks Nicky

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: jace] #953773
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the fbi have reports that dibella stepped down for carmine to take over as boss in nov 1980 scarpa was reopened by lin d that year he had them all filled in. persico went to jail dibella filled in like 82 83 as acting boss for him again when he went to jail for bribing a irs fbi agent

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he was dibella underboss thou in 1979 think he was the official underboss for dibella whole turn from 1974ish to 80 even thou he was in jail

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i dont think theres been a boss like persico with as much blood on his hands that guy was killing people or ordering murders like a cartel boss. gotti looks like a saint if you compare those 2. maybe chin could rival him all those murders he called for including all the philly guys hit.

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scarfo but hes from a small family. the nyc bosses alot bigger families. and chins doubled persicos

Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life [Re: pmac] #953778
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Originally Posted by pmac
i dont think theres been a boss like persico with as much blood on his hands that guy was killing people or ordering murders like a cartel boss. gotti looks like a saint if you compare those 2. maybe chin could rival him all those murders he called for including all the philly guys hit.


Yeah,plus Persico ordered kill a prosecutor because he thinks he disrespected him (then his idiot killers killed the father of the prosecutor and were in turn killed, so from a murder there was 3 murders, but is an another story) and as the boss of the smallest NY family instead of understanding that his claim to continue to boss even from prison would have led to a war that could have disintegrated his family prefered to continue on that road and in 1993 the family members dropped to 70/80 with the top ranking members that died or flipped.Only for this Persico deserve to die in prison.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the info on Persico not being the official boss come from CIs in old FBI reports? Not exactly cold hard facts. Then there are other informants like Cantelupo and Franzese that say DiBella was acting boss for Persico.

On top of that, during the trial that put Persico away, Fred DeChristopher testified that Persico had confided in him that he voted against killing Galante.
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/03/...of-mafia-boss-an-informer-testifies.html

However, he also allegedly confided in DeChristopher that he was involved in the murder of Albert Anastasia, which I doubt is true.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/06/13/Nine-mobsters-convicted/1764519019200/

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Originally Posted by MightyDR
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the info on Persico not being the official boss come from CIs in old FBI reports? Not exactly cold hard facts. Then there are other informants like Cantelupo and Franzese that say DiBella was acting boss for Persico.

On top of that, during the trial that put Persico away, Fred DeChristopher testified that Persico had confided in him that he voted against killing Galante.
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/03/...of-mafia-boss-an-informer-testifies.html

However, he also allegedly confided in DeChristopher that he was involved in the murder of Albert Anastasia, which I doubt is true.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/06/13/Nine-mobsters-convicted/1764519019200/


Joey Gallo also bragged that he and Carmine Persico were part of the five-man hit team involved in the Anastasia slaying, according to Selwyn Raab.

Nevertheless, I'm just recounting what Carmine's attorneys are saying. I, for one, have no clue whether Carmine Persico was the boss of the Colombo crime family following the '73 assassination of Joe Colombo or whether it was Thomas DiBella, and I imagine the truth lies somewhere in between.

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He's paying for his crimes...He's been housed in some cushy prisons compared to some other well known mob guys !!

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Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
He's paying for his crimes...He's been housed in some cushy prisons compared to some other well known mob guys !!


He's playing pinacle and bocce with Murdoch in this time. lol lol lol

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Lol...Yeah, I believe that's known as the cushiest prison in the country

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by pmac
i dont think theres been a boss like persico with as much blood on his hands that guy was killing people or ordering murders like a cartel boss. gotti looks like a saint if you compare those 2. maybe chin could rival him all those murders he called for including all the philly guys hit.


Yeah,plus Persico ordered kill a prosecutor because he thinks he disrespected him (then his idiot killers killed the father of the prosecutor and were in turn killed, so from a murder there was 3 murders, but is an another story) and as the boss of the smallest NY family instead of understanding that his claim to continue to boss even from prison would have led to a war that could have disintegrated his family prefered to continue on that road and in 1993 the family members dropped to 70/80 with the top ranking members that died or flipped.Only for this Persico deserve to die in prison.




First off Furio, if you look at what I pointed out, copkillers and terrorists get paroled in America, and when they are younger than Persico. Second,the case you mention is muddy, Aronwald was a judge who ruled on parking tickets' and there is no indication Persico was in on it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/...-roles-in-murders-including-judge-s.html

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I don't think his time was spent in any easy prisons if there is such a thing in America. We let out men and women who set up police ambushes, we let out terrorists, and they are younger than Persico when released. He is blind, in. wheelchair, and no threat, on top of that he did enough time.

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The term "terrorist" is so overused now that many mobsters could be referred to as terrorists.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The term "terrorist" is so overused now that many mobsters could be referred to as terrorists.




It odes get used wrongly, as in people saying mobsters are terrorists. Yet the people who do identify themselves as terrorists with ties to anti police or anti American causes are paroled. Manson family members were paroled. Symbonise Liberation Army kidnappers and cop killers are on parole, some are done with it, and they are doing documentaries. Yet Persico is still denied. It seems two separate systems are in place

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These cop killers were paroled and still complain it was not fast enough! One had senate omitted by the governor. She is complaining too. Yet persicv can't come home.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/13/a-terrorist-complains-of-bias/

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The criteria used to identify gang members as terrorists in many instances could also be used to identify mobsters as terrorists.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The criteria used to identify gang members as terrorists in many instances could also be used to identify mobsters as terrorists.



I don't see gangs as political, terrorists have a political agenda or purposely target innocent people for mass killings, but we are getting off topic. They get let out, whatever they are called.

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Originally Posted by jace
Second,the case you mention is muddy, Aronwald was a judge who ruled on parking tickets' and there is no indication Persico was in on it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/...-roles-in-murders-including-judge-s.html


But if you don't think it was Persico, who do you think did order it, Cacace on his own? But would he act without authorization from Persico and what would his motive be?


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The criteria used to identify gang members as terrorists in many instances could also be used to identify mobsters as terrorists.



I don't see gangs as political, terrorists have a political agenda or purposely target innocent people for mass killings, but we are getting off topic. They get let out, whatever they are called.


Mobsters get out, too. Whether it's mobsters or gang members, I think it's more a case of individual discretion among judges than any sort of trend. The Snake just ran out of luck. Can't find a friendly judge.


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