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Current Gambino status #951321
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I know everyone says the Genovese is the ‘ivy league ‘ of LCN but the Gambino’s have so many capos out on the street plus a strong connection with Italy/Inzerrillos. What does everyone think?

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i think they are maybe even stronger then what people think
and will be a lot more stronger with cali and mannino at top positions...

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Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951329
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The reason why the Genovese are called the Ivy League is because they are the more intellectual of the 5 families, and they have a history of outclassing the others. They have a history of finessing government and legitimate business with as little violence as possible. If you had to do business with the mob, it just couldn't be avoided, which family would you prefer to deal with? That's why they're called the Ivy League.


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Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951332
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Originally Posted by Ravens410
I know everyone says the Genovese is the ‘ivy league ‘ of LCN but the Gambino’s have so many capos out on the street plus a strong connection with Italy/Inzerrillos. What does everyone think?


Because the Genoveses was always strong and low profile for example of the 9 rats no one was a high ranking while the gambinos (that until gotti was at the same level with the genoveses) had a underboss that decimated the family in the early 1990s,the bonanno had a boss that flipped ecc while the other NY families ceded to the internal divisions,their leadership maintened the control.

Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951333
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It's funny the way the word legitimate is thrown around when they infiltrate legitimate business. I bet businesses that aren't infiltrated refer to businesses who collaborate, whether through duress or otherwise, as dirty, or unclean, or some other synonym.


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We discussed this at length in other threads.There's having no choice but to deal with the mob, then there's gaming the system, using the mob to get ahead. I'm referring to a situation where there just is no choice, other than going out of business. It's true that any collusion with the mob is illicit. But there is still a difference between basically being extorted and working the system to your advantage. No examples needed. Y'all know who I'm talkin' bout.


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Ugh.


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Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951336
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genoveses are ruthless.
Fraction of the rats of the other families.
No one knows who the boss is due to front bosses etc.
And it’s luckys original family from when the five families were created.
What about chins sons bust recently. The amount of money he had was insane. No one even knew he was made.

Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951337
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And if I was to work with any of them I would prefer the others. More flexibility if anything were to go wrong I reckon..

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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
genoveses are ruthless.
Fraction of the rats of the other families.
No one knows who the boss is due to front bosses etc.
And it’s luckys original family from when the five families were created.
What about chins sons bust recently. The amount of money he had was insane. No one even knew he was made.

True !
This is also show how much we don't know about the mob.
And that since 911 they up their game and became stronger.
This is what i've always said !
In 10 years from now i even think that they can be like how they were in their golden days (well maybe not exactly, but still stronger then the last decades)

Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951339
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I'm waiting for giacomo response (always have good info and stuff to say, i love his comments)

Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951341
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When it comes to the Genovese I don't think you can mistake their perceived finesse and lack of public violence for them being an "easy" family to work with. They may not have the cowboy reputation of for instance the Colombo's, but when you pose the slightest problem, you're done.

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Good point. I guess I came off like a Genovese fan boy there. They still run a more sophisticated operation.


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Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951346
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Oh you didn't come across as a fanboy or anything and you did make a valid point. There's a reason they're still the most untarnished family out of the bunch.
It's true they have the least bloodthirsty reputation. They never had a Demeo or Karate Pitera whacking and dismembering everyone who might've cheated them out for more than $50 on a coke deal. They're definitely the sharpest family.
Yet...they nevertheless seem to have a reasonably "scary" reputation and top guys from other families seem to be weary of them as well. Once you're "in" with them in any way, there doesn't seem to be a way out - except in a casket.

Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951359
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The Inzerillo-Gambino clan is a transatlantic family, based in Palermo and New York City.


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Re: Current Gambino status [Re: TheKillingJoke] #951362
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My thoughts exactly if I didn’t make it clear above. They seem the most ruthless and the way the other families fear them says a lot. Would prefer to work with a coked up Colombo cowboy as they make more noise so you can sense a threat better. Huge hypothetical generalisation though however.. obviously the other families have hugely respected guys as well. Just their team isn’t Ivy League maybe

Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951425
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You guys make sense. So true. The lack of bloodshed in the Genovese family has as much to do with their zero tolerance reputation toward threats to their money or stability as it does their sophistication and professionalism. A mysterious organized crime outfit we still don't know a lot about due to the lack of turncoats in their history.


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The Gambino's are stronger thanks to John Gambino. The Genovese are the strongest as many has stated the reasons above. Because of the links between the Gambinos, Sicily, Canada, and Italy many will say they are the strongest family in the United States, this I don't believe and the reason is that Law Enforcement finds out many things the Gambinos are up too, while they have to breakdown doors, try not to lose people they are tailing, and trying to get a source in Genovese establishments, just to get a faction of the story and crimes in that family.


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Re: Current Gambino status [Re: Ravens410] #951448
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The Genoveses used Caponigro for kill Bruno and can operate in Atlantic City;Gigante lived as a recluse talking only with his underboss and his consigliere while Gotti was always under the spotlight and used Casso for try to kill Gotti knowing that at least the gambinos would blame the Luccheses.
If I would use a word I would say "machiavellic".

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What did the mob ever really do in Atlantic City, anyway, aside from maybe construction rigging? Was there ever a skim, or anything along the lines of what they pulled off in Vegas?


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
What did the mob ever really do in Atlantic City, anyway, aside from maybe construction rigging? Was there ever a skim, or anything along the lines of what they pulled off in Vegas?


No, never a skim, they couldn't get in to the counting room..

They indeed made a lot of money off of construction. Other union related scams were big moneymakers and according to Leonetti they also made a lot of money by lending money to a whole lot of casino employees..


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Originally Posted by BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
What did the mob ever really do in Atlantic City, anyway, aside from maybe construction rigging? Was there ever a skim, or anything along the lines of what they pulled off in Vegas?


No, never a skim, they couldn't get in to the counting room..

They indeed made a lot of money off of construction. Other union related scams were big moneymakers and according to Leonetti they also made a lot of money by lending money to a whole lot of casino employees..


They made money also controlli the bartenders and other
casino employees unions.

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Those are basically rackets they could have had in any town. Kind of hard to believe that NY agreed to let the midwest families have Vegas when AC allowed casinos. I guess at the time they thought they were going to get their hands into AC like they did Vegas in the '30s.


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The Genovese was the first family to have a guy to openly flip. (Valachi) I think they learned their lesson from that and decided that was not happening again. They seem very low key, maybe that's the secret to their success.

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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
The Gambino's are stronger thanks to John Gambino. The Genovese are the strongest as many has stated the reasons above. Because of the links between the Gambinos, Sicily, Canada, and Italy many will say they are the strongest family in the United States, this I don't believe and the reason is that Law Enforcement finds out many things the Gambinos are up too, while they have to breakdown doors, try not to lose people they are tailing, and trying to get a source in Genovese establishments, just to get a faction of the story and crimes in that family.


The family that's most difficult to penetrate isn't always the most powerful family. Not only do the Gambinos have transatlantic connections and people in every major city in the US and Canada, they also possess more wealth than just about anybody. If you're not in involved in drugs, you're not really running the streets. It's as simple as that.

Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
What about chins sons bust recently. The amount of money he had was insane. No one even knew he was made.


It was publicly known that Vincent Esposito was made and a big player. He's been a force since the mid 90s.

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The fact that we know these things about the Gambinos is a problem. This is a message board about a secret society for Christ's sake and it's got thousands of threads. Tell me what Barney is up to...now that Petey Red has passed who is he using? He may never know. In 2030 they will talk about the 2010s just like we do the 1970s. People will work tirelessly on it and may still not have a clue what was going on.

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Those are basically rackets they could have had in any town. Kind of hard to believe that NY agreed to let the midwest families have Vegas when AC allowed casinos. I guess at the time they thought they were going to get their hands into AC like they did Vegas in the '30s.


Chicago was the single most powerful family at the time, plus they had most of the midwest families under their thumb. The midwest had the teamsters. More than likely the genovese learned to hide their boss like chicago seeing that chicago was doing that since the 40s and they collaborated with each other

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Originally Posted by kingoflittlenewyork
The fact that we know these things about the Gambinos is a problem. This is a message board about a secret society for Christ's sake and it's got thousands of threads. Tell me what Barney is up to...now that Petey Red has passed who is he using? He may never know. In 2030 they will talk about the 2010s just like we do the 1970s. People will work tirelessly on it and may still not have a clue what was going on.


What do you know though? Do you know who the boss is? Do you know who runs Staten Island? If you knew so much then these guys would be in jail already. The Gambinos are full body right now and have been for a while.

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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
What about chins sons bust recently. The amount of money he had was insane. No one even knew he was made.


It was publicly known that Vincent Esposito was made and a big player. He's been a force since the mid 90s.[/quote]

Since when was it publicly known? And are you saying there hasn’t been/isn’t confusion on his status and rank? If so pls advise

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Originally Posted by cookcounty


Chicago was the single most powerful family at the time, plus they had most of the midwest families under their thumb. The midwest had the teamsters. More than likely the genovese learned to hide their boss like chicago seeing that chicago was doing that since the 40s and they collaborated with each other


Yep. All those bosses Chicago had through all those years when Accardo was really running things.


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