When it comes to criminals, Travellers are unique in the sense that a lot of the time they primarily target old people with such scams. They are ruthless in targeting the most vulnerable segments of society.

They've been in the news a lot in Australia with these home renovation scams.

Yep, same here. Even though it seems to have cooled down as compared to 3 years ago. These kind of scams are definitely their trademark, no one else seems to pull them off.

Regarding crime, they're a completely different breed from the Dutch travellers ("woonwagenbewoners" / "kampers") - since the Dutch are more associated with traditional organized crime: large scale drug trafficking, gunrunning, fencing, extortion (mostly regarding other drug traffickers and money launderers), buying up brothels...

Same here with the travellers. I’ve been approached with the tv scam but as soon as I heard the accent I knew it was bs lol not that I would ever buy an expensive tv from a guy hanging out his van in a shopping centre car park.. They also focus on old people and renovating their drives. They charge a fortune for a very minor job and effectively threaten and bully the old person into paying more and more. Very common all over the uk, always have been doing this and always will. They go to jail for it then do it again as soon as they come out. Horrid way to make a living by taking advantage of the vulnerable

I always feel on edge around travellers with every interaction. Even when it comes to lending them a lighter or giving them a cigarette. It's always an intense experience lol.

I wouldn't like to be a shop attendant serving them. Crowding and confusing shop staff is something else they like to do.

Agreed. It’s a crazy thing really. If an area has a camp site property values decline really quickly. The bigger the site the more the prices decrease. In that area crime (mainly burglaries and fly tipping) will go up almost immediately.

(I can only comment on experience and fact. I have no prejudice towards them at all)

And your scenario in the 2nd paragraph could make a brilliant comedy sketch FYI haha

Pubs in Ireland would often ban Travellers, but not all Gypsies are bad.

No, you catch up, and stop preaching If we wanted a sermon we'd be at a church. You call people scum bags and other names every topic on here, we've heard you every time, it got tired long ago.

Moe is one of the better posters on here. I didnt see any "preaching" to be honest. To be fair his description of most of these mob is pretty accurate

Dutch travellers do have a bad name, but they love André Hazes.

That is because you preach along with him most of the time. It's why you are weighing in now. Moe and you can't stand anything that might be taken as a positive regarding a mobster or non-OC criminal, and jump all over anyone saying there is another side in some cases. Moe just does it every day, you spread it out. Moe is the worst poster on here.

i dont preach at all. I enjoy discussing mob history but that doesnr mean im not allowed to be critical of criminals. I remember you pulled this same crap with me a few months ago so i ignored your posts because i dont like arguing about nonsense.

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That is because you preach along with him most of the time. It's why you are weighing in now. Moe and you can't stand anything that might be taken as a positive regarding a mobster or non-OC criminal, and jump all over anyone saying there is another side in some cases. Moe just does it every day, you spread it out. Moe is the worst poster on here.

[/quote] i dont preach at all. I enjoy discussing mob history but that doesnr mean im not allowed to be critical of criminals. I remember you pulled this same crap with me a few months ago so i ignored your posts because i dont like arguing about nonsense.
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I di dont "pull" anything a few months ago. If a person is annoying with their holier than thou high horse act it gets annoying. You say you don't like arguing but you just started one.

Haha

Please keep your rate-a-member scoring to yourself.

André Hazes rules
Dutch travellers have a bit of a bad name when it comes to organized crime and there are these stories around about police not daring to venture into their area etc... but to be honest there's quite a few of them who live in the Belgian border towns and I never had a problem with them. There's a couple of them that go to the gym I work out and they've always been cool. They're not into the scams of the Irish Travellers and they aren't a public nuisance like a disproportionate amount of the Eastern European Roma gypsies are (petty theft, burgling and robbing old people, breaking and entering homes...).

All of the guys from Philly. Some guys from up North

Yes, when I was a teenager I was a bus boy at the Italian Restaurant across the street from my house. It was a front business. One of the guys involved in owning it was a low level gangster, I would be surprised if he was made. But it was an obvious front business, guys coming to play cards during the Super Bowl party and not watching the game shit like that.

One night I was in there working, and an old gentleman in a fedora and a long coat came in. Everybody stopped to say hello to him. He had some awesome homemade bread that I got a couple of pieces of. It was delicious. Anyway, he gets a prime seat at the bar, we're told he's priority customer #1. He was an old timer. I would be surprised if he wasn't a made guy.

That's my story.

The man is an acquired taste but I like Moe a lot, regardless of any preaching or not..

I've accepted that part of him, he could turn into Moel Osteen and I'd still be cool with him..

Is the great tyson fury a gypsy traveler? Hes nuts i think hes fighting donte fowler in vegas soon. I might pay for that shit(yaeh rite i'll find a illegal stream somewhere on the web or kodi)

Think you mean Deontay Wildler pmac, Wilder is going to whoop that ass too

The Fury´s are all involved in boxing and related to Bartley Gorman aka the King of the Gypsies.

I've got a few questions for those who have met actual mobsters and/or gangsters :


1. How and where did you meet said individual ( s ) ?


2. How did you know and/or find out that they were mobsters or gangsters ?


3. Did said individual ( s) talk about or hint at their status as members of organized crime groups ?

I met the bank robber/rat Dodds involved in this case, he was visiting his daughter and told me he was born in Chicago and boxed growing up. So of course my first question was had he ever been around any mob guys. Anyway he told me to see if I could find anything about the murder of a Kansas City informant during 1990. When I saw him later that day and asked him questions about the case he was more than surprised that I found out so much so fast.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1136769.html

Don't run across many NE OC figures in Arkansas. Been around plenty of people involved in crime in my life but this is the closest I've come to a Mafia connected criminal.

You do realize these are questions a Fed would ask..By the way You don't walk up and ask them..Lol...and they don't discuss #3.

There are guys on here who have. My first encounter was really young, later especially my teen years, I met many from from out of state.

2a I will humor you on a pair.
1. At a family wake.
2. The uncle was arrested three years before in connections with a crime family. The nephew at the wake.
3. The uncle said he was "retiring", and putting his nephew up to the "vote".

Wasn't in Califonia by the way, and his own son was pissed. The son was never made.

Oh don't get me wrong , I definitely don't want anyone to incriminate themselves , but many posters on this thread ( and others) have stated somewhat incriminating things about themselves so it's not like my questions would result in charges being pressed or anything like that .

FWIW I actually knew lots of professional criminals in my teenage days , but I wouldn't call them gangsters , which is why I haven't written about them in this thread . I'm probably gonna be starting up a thread about this particular ( as I like to call it ) " Czech Outlaw Crime Network " in the future though .

I can answer all your questions..but Honestly I'm Here to input information if I know it ..I Grew up in Gravesend, lived in Besonhurst, Canarsie and owned a Business in Ozone Park and Howard Beach ...To your Question #3...Nobody ever discussed status or affiliations. If you did, then You're a Nobody important.

Am I the only one here who finds it weird that people are constantly talking about where Joey Merlino or Dom Grande spent their summers or who's hanging at what social club like mob paparazzi, or bragging about their insider knowledge, yet the same people will get all flustered about a poster who supposedly comes across as a fed asking suspicious questions?

It's a weird dichotomy.

If I was a Fed the way there is another, more cerebral way, of phishing for info. One that is less obvious. They have a lot more access to, and knowledge of these guys, than anybody here. They could easily portray themselves as a mob aficionado Joe Shmoe while seeking to corroborate, or expand, info they are already privy to. These guys aren't idiots!

Another thing - there are guys who are described as legitimate named and brought up on this site on a fairly regular basis and if I was in their shoes, and if I was truly legitimate (people have a way of distorting that term), I wouldn't be delighted to have my name brought up on a website like this and associated with known felons! If they are truly legitimate that is!