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Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses #949669
08/11/18 11:43 AM
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Curious to take everyone's temp on this. I always think about which bosses weren't meant to be in the top spot and then those who don't get enough credit. Either because they were in jail, whacked, or it was a smaller family.


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Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949670
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Underrated: Nick Civella. The man took his relatively small family from a relatively small city to great heights.

Overrated: Angelo Bruno. Not a necessarily a bad boss it's just that he got almost all of his power via Carlo Gambino and when he died, it was over soon for the Docile Don.


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Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949672
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Joe Colombo was overrated. Most famous for the Italian American Civil rights league and he was made boss and the family renamed in his honor because he went against the orders of his boss which was the right thing to do but it put his family under the thumb of Carlo Gambino. He was on the streets as boss what maybe 7 years before he was shot. I don't know he was any exceptional leader or anything. He was just in the right place at the right time.

Underrated is Barney Bellomo. Leads probably the most largest and powerful family in LCN and does it quietly and under the radar.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949681
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Think it not set in stone barneys boss. Last week a reporter got ahold of some transcripts between acting capo rooster onfrio and bronx rat rubeo in 2015 talking about daniel leo doesnt want to open the books. Because of all the crazyshit and rats from the springfield crew weve found out theres been like a dozen acting bosses in the genovese since 2000ish. Dom cirillo.matt horse.pat deluca.arty nigro. Tino the greek.leo. who the hell knows whose boss today. But that guy rubeo was baiting onfrio to talk about danny leo and why the books closed and he didnt fall for it.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949682
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I almost bet they want it like a carousel. Acting boss or under steps up and down every 1 2 yrs keep people guessing. Dentico was some type of boss. Benny eggs after he was realeased. Micky domino to

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949683
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You think about it every underboss in nyc philly or n.e. has been sent to prison for a long time. Whoever was colombo boss tom dibellas underboss from 1974 to carmine persico took other in 1980 had a good run think his last name was brancato or close another union guy. He was a place holder also for persico was replacrd by gerry lang

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: pmac] #949688
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Originally Posted by pmac
Think it not set in stone barneys boss. Last week a reporter got ahold of some transcripts between acting capo rooster onfrio and bronx rat rubeo in 2015 talking about daniel leo doesnt want to open the books. Because of all the crazyshit and rats from the springfield crew weve found out theres been like a dozen acting bosses in the genovese since 2000ish. Dom cirillo.matt horse.pat deluca.arty nigro. Tino the greek.leo. who the hell knows whose boss today. But that guy rubeo was baiting onfrio to talk about danny leo and why the books closed and he didnt fall for it.


Just curious what reporter and is there a link to this info? I would love to read it.

Btw Tony the Greek, and Matty the horse have both been dead for awhile now.

Maybe Barney isn’t top dog and they are still rotating guys. But if I had to guess Barney is the most powerful guy in that borgata.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949696
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Whoever wrote the sentencing story about onfrio for masslive then the gangster report guy kinda copy pasted that part also about rubeo saying to rooster leo wont open the books. It 1 of the 2 either leos boss and barneys under or vice versa. There was that guy petey red who just died also he was acting either street boss underboss or somthing else. Who knows

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: pmac] #949699
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Originally Posted by pmac
Whoever wrote the sentencing story about onfrio for masslive then the gangster report guy kinda copy pasted that part also about rubeo saying to rooster leo wont open the books. It 1 of the 2 either leos boss and barneys under or vice versa. There was that guy petey red who just died also he was acting either street boss underboss or somthing else. Who knows


Thanks pmac I'll look for it.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949700
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Most Underrated- Gaetano Lucchese
Most Overrated- John Gotti


"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949701
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Rooster said to onfrio he put in one of the springfield guys name for induction. So masslive wrote a piece on it. The d.a. was trying to paint onfrioas a leader in the family to get more time they used the rubeo transcript

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949710
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Overated- john gotti
Underrated- dom cefulu.
Dom’s a living legend. He’s been on the streets for 7 years as boss. Crazy in todays world.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949712
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Was/is Cefalu boss, though? Don't some people think it's Frank Cali?

What about Pete Inzerillo? Is he still a soldier or is he a capo now?


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #949723
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Most Underrated- Gaetano Lucchese
Most Overrated- John Gotti


I agree 100%. I would add Tommy Gagliano to the underrated list. This guy was a boss for 20 years and nobody knows anything about the guy.

That very well could be because Lucchese was the real power in that family and allowed Gagliano to stay in the background.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949728
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mangano.. under..20 year run.then albert the disaster

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: Moe_Tilden] #949729
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Ive read Cefulu is still boss. Cali is underboss, and i believe pete is a soldier in the 18th ave crew. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if pete took over the 18 ave crew.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949736
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Most underrated: Those who's names do not come up often.

Most overrated: Almost all. Gambino, Genovese, Anastasia, Traficante.

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MARANZANO Over

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: Zero6245] #949740
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Originally Posted by Zero6245
Ive read Cefulu is still boss. Cali is underboss, and i believe pete is a soldier in the 18th ave crew. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if pete took over the 18 ave crew.

I heard cali consigliere
Maninno UB
Inzerillo is the capo

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949741
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Overrated John Gotti /Charles "Lucky" Luciano

Underrated John LaRocca


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: The_Marble_Guy] #949746
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For worst boss I'd say Joe Massino. Took over. family that was making money and doing fairly well, then surrounded himself with rats, including his brother in law, then ratted himself.

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I think you could make a strong argument Joe Ligambi is the most underrated boss all-time. Took over a decimated family full of turmoil, stabilized it, grew the ranks, beat a rico, and has been bridging the gap with all the different factions coming home. Now he appears to be retired, rich, and enjoying life. In Philly that’s incredible.

Re: Most Underrated/Overrated Bosses [Re: jace] #949749
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Originally Posted by jace
For worst boss I'd say Joe Massino. Took over. family that was making money and doing fairly well, then surrounded himself with rats, including his brother in law, then ratted himself.


Actually for a while Massino was a pretty smart boss. He closed social clubs,got involved in wall street,and made his associates only refer to him by touching their ear. Then obviously the end of his reign was bad

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by jace
For worst boss I'd say Joe Massino. Took over. family that was making money and doing fairly well, then surrounded himself with rats, including his brother in law, then ratted himself.


Actually for a while Massino was a pretty smart boss. He closed social clubs,got involved in wall street,and made his associates only refer to him by touching their ear. Then obviously the end of his reign was bad



I think the social clubs were no longer a way of life and closed on their own, but I may be wrong. I still believe that he had. short reign, and had some of his better men killed while surrounding himself with traitors. For one captain to rat on him would have been a big deal, to have 4 plus his underboss do it shows a lack of judgement. It also had to hurt the Bonanno's bad.

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underboss a hack? how did that get by the other families

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Originally Posted by F_white
Overrated John Gotti /Charles "Lucky" Luciano

Underrated John LaRocca


Totally agree - Always good to see another interested in Pittsburgh.
John was laid back and "It was only business" all the time.


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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Most Underrated- Gaetano Lucchese
Most Overrated- John Gotti

+1

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Overrated? That's a shoe-in: John Gotti. He might also be a contender for douchiest boss of all time. Everything about the guy screamed douche nozzle.

I'd throw in Nicky Scarfo as well. Obviously an extremely dangerous guy, but way too bloodthirsty for his own good especially in regards to the other crime groups in the area as well as the guys from his own family.

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How is Gotti overrated, when no one rates him highly? Who is he overrated by, I think we are mixing up overrated with over publicized.

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