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Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951705
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I think it is the mentality of the people involved. In the early days of LCN they would die before ratting, then as the generations changed so did the Mafia.


it depends on the law of a country, not mentality, if a country has good laws against organized crime there would be several turncoats, like united states or italy for example
criminals are all potential rats, in every country

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I think it is the mentality of the people involved. In the early days of LCN they would die before ratting, then as the generations changed so did the Mafia.


it depends on the law of a country, not mentality, if a country has good laws against organized crime there would be several turncoats, like united states or italy for example
criminals are all potential rats, in every country


It has become a strategy like Provenzano gave up Riina.


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Re: Question about snitching [Re: OakAsFan] #951721
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I never said "half". I said nearly all. Wiseguys are narcissists. They'd give cops information in a heart beat about someone who's a threat to them.


Feel free to actually read my post about Greg Scarpa. It's obvious you didn't. Lin DeVecchio repeats, on multiple, multiple occasions, that Scarpa's information on the upper echelons of all Five Families is "singular" and unavailable from any other source. What part of that don't you understand?


I read it. It's boring, and not very informative.


It disproves your retarded argument. Simple as that.

Re: Question about snitching [Re: OakAsFan] #951740
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Gossiping, dry snitching, etc, I suppose. Sure. No more than mob reporters like Jerry Capeci and Selwyn Raab. We're basically like the kids in Bronx Tale who watch the mobsters from the stoop and identify them. Except we're adults. It's kind of sad, but it's really fun. Plus you learn stuff. To me, the mob is like westerns. Some people are into cowboys and indians, I find the mafia interesting. It's impossible to tell the story of America in the 20th century without including the mob. It's great reading, great cinema, and great journalism.



I don;t think anyone can take gossiping as ratting. Even getting caught talking on a tape while gossiping, or just having a discussion can happen to anyone. Ratting is one of two things: Out right Sam Gravano style ratting, or Greg Scarpa undercover ratting. It's the giving up of info on another to keep themselves out of prison or for some other sort of gain. What you refer to as Dry Snitching is what Scarpa was doing all those years.

Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951745
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Omerta's a total joke. The top guys just sold that b.s. on the field hands to keep them loyal. Better they do the time. You're welcome.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Question about snitching [Re: OakAsFan] #951746
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Omerta's a total joke. The top guys just sold that b.s. on the field hands to keep them loyal. Better they do the time. You're welcome.


You can't really believe that, and you don't. Bosses have taken long sentences as have many captains. You're welcome.

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Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951749
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Omerta. Code of silence. Haha. Hahahaha! Haaaaaa!!! You probably believe in Santa Claus, too.


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Re: Question about snitching [Re: jace] #951750
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Originally Posted by jace
You can't really believe that, and you don't. Bosses have taken long sentences as have many captains. You're welcome.


They were sold out by other bosses. Read between the lines. Stop believing in fairy tales.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Question about snitching [Re: OakAsFan] #951751
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
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You can't really believe that, and you don't. Bosses have taken long sentences as have many captains. You're welcome.


They were sold out by other bosses. Read between the lines. Stop believing in fairy tales.




You just say the craziest things with no sane reason or any proof to back it up. Get a life.

Re: Question about snitching [Re: OakAsFan] #951752
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U 2 should get a room.........just kiddin'


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Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951754
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Crazy is thinking there was ever a mafia with an actual code of silence that most adhered to. What a joke.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Question about snitching [Re: hoodlum] #951755
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Originally Posted by hoodlum
U 2 should get a room.........just kiddin'


Couldn't U2 just book a stadium?


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Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951758
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My friend, if you're simply trolling to have a laugh then I gotta say, well done - you kept me going for awhile.

But if you're not trolling I have just one question. Why did you refuse to look at the FBI evidence I provided which blatantly shows that, no, Greg Scarpa was one of the only - if not THE only - FBI informant in the upper ranks of the Mafia and the Commission during the 1980s? Lin DeVecchio, head of the Colombo/Bonanno squad (the families with the heaviest concentrations of rats) attributed Scarpa to providing SINGULAR knowledge which was unable to be found from any other source regarding the internal structure of the Colombo Family and, at times, other families and the entire Commission.

Why do you refuse to listen to that? And why do you also refuse to provide any evidence which bolsters your claim?

Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951770
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I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely amused that there are grown adults who really think there was ever really a mafia with an "omerta" culture of silence. This kind of fairy tale is something you'd expect an adolescent who just watched The Godfather for the first time to believe.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951771
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He is trolling, and his only reason for being there is to get under people's skin. He succeeds. Why he does it and laughs in everyone's face is for him to answer. He makes the most outrageous statements in politics, mob talk, or general discussions repeatedly, then denies being a troll.

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Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951773
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6 year old shot dead by police, here is OakA'sFan joking and mocking the little boy killed :

Oak:
"He should have controlled his kid. Sounds like a problem in his community...."


The thread it was taken from
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...;Main=37725&Number=942496#Post942496

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Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951774
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Not trolling at all.

The thread's title is "Question about snitching"

I'm answering. On topic. The answer is just too real for you. Sorry if I'm not feeding you the fairy tales you're used to hearing. A lot of mafia enthusiasts took the movies like The Godfather the wrong way. They're just movies. It's not really like that. It's business. Money. Crooks. And, they all work with the cops and roll on each other. Been part of the game since Lucky Luciano.

Your review of Downsizing is scattered, emotional, and all over the place. Since you're wrong most of the time, I was just advising that people probably should see the movie.


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No, you are playing games. Knock it off.

Re: Question about snitching [Re: maatsetungi] #951777
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Alright, Jace, let's respect the board and get back on topic, shall we? Nobody wants to read comments where we flame each other. Back to the snitching topic. That's what the thread is about.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Alright, Jace, let's respect the board and get back on topic, shall we? Nobody wants to read comments where we flame each other. Back to the snitching topic. That's what the thread is about.



Screw you, you are full of crap. I have had enough.

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Jace, be civil. Respect the board, stay on topic, alright? I was on topic, and you started attacking me for some reason. Just discuss the topic, or go. It's that simple.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Jace, be civil. Respect the board, stay on topic, alright? I was on topic, and you started attacking me for some reason. Just discuss the topic, or go. It's that simple.



It's NOT that simple with you, Oak. You're no angel when it comes to dealing with other members here. I advised Jace to ignore you but that advice fell on deaf ears. Shame.


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There was a time when taking a plea deal would've been considered ratting. Now it's the norm.

Didn't Vic Orena renounce the mob or something like that? I remember reading an article saying he became a eucharistic minister in prison.

Maybe he didn't renounce the mob but he seemed pretty desperate to get out of prison.

Him and Locascio.

I wonder if they would rat to get out of prison but they just don't have anything to offer having been inside so long and seeing as the Feds have got everyone/everything they wanted from that era.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Originally Posted by SC
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Jace, be civil. Respect the board, stay on topic, alright? I was on topic, and you started attacking me for some reason. Just discuss the topic, or go. It's that simple.



It's NOT that simple with you, Oak. You're no angel when it comes to dealing with other members here. I advised Jace to ignore you but that advice fell on deaf ears. Shame.

I'm 2 stupid 2 figure out how 2 post the clapping hands emoji....but ..I'm sure alot of ppl agree on that SC!!


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In retrospect, I've had my moments as no angel either ...but @ least I'll admit it..it's a 12 step thing...


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
There was a time when taking a plea deal would've been considered ratting. Now it's the norm.

Didn't Vic Orena renounce the mob or something like that? I remember reading an article saying he became a eucharistic minister in prison.

Maybe he didn't renounce the mob but he seemed pretty desperate to get out of prison.

Him and Locascio.

I wonder if they would rat to get out of prison but they just don't have anything to offer having been inside so long and seeing as the Feds have got everyone/everything they wanted from that era.

Yeah i agree Moe.

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Alright, Jace, let's respect the board and get back on topic, shall we? Nobody wants to read comments where we flame each other. Back to the snitching topic. That's what the thread is about.


Sure, let's get back on the topic of snitching.

Read the relevant quotes I took from Greg Scarpa's case file and make a response that justifies your answer. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by NickyfromTampa
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Alright, Jace, let's respect the board and get back on topic, shall we? Nobody wants to read comments where we flame each other. Back to the snitching topic. That's what the thread is about.


Sure, let's get back on the topic of snitching.

Read the relevant quotes I took from Greg Scarpa's case file and make a response that justifies your answer. It's that simple.



Scarpa wasn't the first informant, he might've been the best up to that point but no way was he the first

Shit I've read fbi files about chicago that had informants going back to the late 60s/early 70s and their first made member to snitch in court was 2007

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They all talk, man. They just do.


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