according to John Jr, in his book he claims not only was his father told by a Luchese guy their family behind the murders against the Gambinos, but Junior himself got close to someone in the Luchese whilst doing time. And they told him the same thing

Had Gotti sr beaten that fourth trial, does anyone believe he would have dared launch a war vs the Lucheses (not much was mentioned about the Genovese) according to Gotti jr, therefore if it did kick off, it’ll primarily be with the Lucheses

But Gotti did have that sit down with Chin who assured him there was no problems and IF there was any truth to Bobby Manna wanting to kill Gotti, Chin said he would have Bobby killed

Now had the Chin continued to make moves, again, does anyone feel Gotti would dare strike back

Or in contrast do u think he would just up his bodyguards/ and media attention (having all that media and FBI surveillance) actually saved his life I would say. No doubt he knew it

Obviously this is all hypothetical and we would never know... but given the scenario and characters involved, what do u think would have happened

You know a story I love from this time period? The Lucchese hierarchy were having a sit down with the Genovese hierarchy. Venero Mangano led Anthony Casso and Vic Amuso through a labyrinthine network of tunnels in order to meet up with Chin. They were offered alcohol and Casso declined, but Amuso accepted, and Casso looked down on Amuso for it.

Where did I read this? If it was the book Philip Carlo wrote about Gaspipe then you can probably discount it.

honestly who knows
but he would have to wait till time pass on and the media and feds would rest after the trial and stuff.
so till then maybe he would have been killed or other gambino members.
it's also a big risk to go after the lucchese family and the genovese, he would have lose big time ! they were stronger then the gambinos and the nj mob (nj are with the gambinos)
so the westside had control over more families and more power
and make a hit against the chin would have been really hard for them, he was in the hide all the time.
what do you guys think ? am i right ?

btw tony it's a good and interesting question !

It's difficult to imagine what might happen in that situation. Like MeyerLansky mentioned, Gotti could have been killed by members of his own family who were sick of him.

If that doesn't happen, I could understand Gotti taking on just the Luchese family. However, by that time Amuso and Casso were on the run or in prison so there wouldn't have really been anyone to go to war with.

If he found out it was the Genovese and Luchese families together, I don't think he would have been dumb enough to take them both on. I don't think the other two families would have joined up with him either.




It is from that book. According to Casso, a drunken Amuso raised his voice against the Chin and banged on the table. Casso had to calm him down

The sitdown does seem to have actually happened though. It concerned Pete Savino owning Amuso and Casso money. Savino said he was ordered to pay them.

Nope. Gotti wouldnt fuck with roy demeo let alone casso.

With all the informants did none of them tell what really happened Gotti was not a easy going guy so he must of been going off when the people started to die .

He must of known from the first episode I don’t know what the first or last was but I sure as hell thought they were out to get him in real time.

I personally always had a tough time getting past the bomber who was able to clearly identify Decicco but not Gotti.

If the motive was to kill Gotti, they failed miserably AND I don't believe there was any retaliation after this attempt so, I am going with no.

Or, alternate theory: Gotti knew about the hit and offered up DIcicco to appease the other families.

Eventually, at the end of the day, he, John Gotti, THE MAN, would've severed their muthafuckin' headzz off!!!!

Gotti jr claims his dad knew it wasn’t the Sicilians since he sent people over there. And Sammy says it wasn’t Joe Bilotti after they questioned him.

Therefore Gotti had to know it involved the other family/ families. But doubt he had any concrete proof

A lot of times ie like Gaspipe was able to identify who tried tonwhack him based on his ‘source’ ie police report

The cops didn’t get anywhere on the bombing. And when they say ‘an investigation was launched’ all that means is they put the word out IF anyone hears anything report it to your capo etc obviously that came to nothing

And even if it did, I’m with you in thinking Gotti was happy to let that one go (secretly hoping they’d be happy with Frankie D)

at the time except the nj mob what other family would help the gambino's in case of war against the lucchese and the genovese family ?\
the colombo's had their own war and other problems...

Like i mentioned before there is no way Gotti would of went up Casso and/or the Chin which is why he worked so damn hard to make peace with them. Hell even Castellano Gotti waited until he was at his weakest point otherwise he wouldnt of done it. I agree i think he was happy Frankie Decicco was gone because he must of known Frankie had a lot of support and would of definetly made a better boss...thats for damn sure lol

The bomber mistook DeCicco for Gotti as they looked somewhat similar from afar.
The Gambino’ s owned ( still do ) the DeCalvacante’s.
The Lucchese’s were very busy killing each other which would of made it very convenient for the Gambino’s to clip a bunch of Lucchese guys and blame it on their internal friction which there was a lot of. Not only was it a bronx bs brooklyn thing, the jersey faction of the lucchese’s were laying very low due to Casso wanting all of them killed.
I dont think Gotti would of went after anyone on the west side as they had plenty of joint business ventures. Chin wasnt a go to war kind of guy anyway. the west side are not gunslingers anyway, they clip people much less frequently than any other family, although their murders are very public when they occur. They send messages. They dont kill for no reason and their is much less internal friction with the Genovese, hence their perpetual stability.

they took frankie heart for gotti not decicco

tony i agree with your ladt line ...only gotti later on had to know they were not done cleaning the gambino gotti's ..lino and borriello murder ..gotti still did not move on chin.. he dogged it

Gotti was a tough guy no doubt and fearless to a point. He was very feared within the Gambino family, ie Marino and Joe Watts according to Fat Dom were waiting for Gotti’s appeal- before they would attempt to whack out Junior. For they knew, if they killed his son. They were dead men walking once Sr got out

BUT Gotti was also smart enough to realise it wasn’t worth risking war with the other families. Hence, I was wondering at what point would he finally fight back.

He knew his guys were going down as mentioned
ie Bobby Boriello, Lino, Frankie, etc and was ignoring it. He knew the West Side was putting a hit on him. Yet he still done the ‘diplomatic’ solution to avoid further bloodshed.

Next on the list would have been guys like Jojo, D’Amico. Chin wanted to get all the guys around Gotti and finally go after him. That’s the only time he would have struck back imo- if there was a real hit on him or Pete, a failed hit perhaps.

Someone above mentioned Casso and Vic were on the lam/ out of reach for retaliation. Don’t forget they still had their guys on the street. Bobat and Frank Lastorino maybe even Lil Al would be perfect targets

Hands down all the LE pressure at the time on all the families was to Gotti’s advantage now doubt and was like having five Feds on him helped also.

He was quick to blow it off and go with the rumors that were put out or made up but it may of saved his life at that point because if not all the chaos in the Luke’s and them hammering the Chin all around same time saved his life .

So many scenarios have made these guys and also have crushed them .

I agree Serp, that’s what Gotti jr claims saved his life
too. How Casso wanted him dead, but no idea if true or not. He was still claiming Jimmy brown, Marino, was conspiring with the Genovese- to restructure the Gambinos

John sr. was still on the street when his guys were all getting killed...And even a clown like John Alite is going on tv saying how they were killing gambino's and there was no retaliation !!

He wasn't gonna do shit, he killed his boss. Somebody had to die behind that shit and he would've been glad he was still alive

They killed Colombo because of all the attention...but I think it would've eventually came from inside the Family..

Colombo did it when the mafia was still secretive and under the radar. He was very overt and pissed off a lot of people despite being warned. The commision case brought the mob front and center.
Gotti was both liked and respected by most of his men despite what some say. He was also feard and guys earned big with him. Why kill him??? Does anyone really think LE would of slowed down on the Gambino’s if Gotti was killed? No !!
Massino closed down all the mob clubs and he still went down. Gotti would not of been killed. If LE didnt get him in 1990, he would of went down by 91 whether he was low key or not. The FBI doesnt give mob guys a pass if they stay out of the media.

On second thought..They wouldn't of been to successful in wacking John without starting a street war....He had a lot of Family ( Brothers) backing him up ..Maybe a splinter group of Gambinos would've emerged..but it wouldn't of been good. After Frankie D was killed I think the other Families accepted John to a extent.But I think John would've had Sammy gone eventually without a doubt.

john i feel would have killed sammy in time, john also would have been killed by gas and chin. john getting pinched and gas flipping stops the killings my opinion..they killed a boss .they had to go..no forgiveness

If Gotti didn't have so much law enforcement pressure sure he would have retaliated. He simply became too high profile to where he couldn't do anything without everybody knowing about it.

Indeed, the other side of that same coin was that Gotti's enemies also couldn't get to him either because of the 24/7 attention for the man from the media, the government and the public. Imagine that John Gotti would've had his heyday in 2018, with the social media and all, he probably would have one of his cronies keep up his Instagram, Facebook and Twitter pages.. LOL

Well either way it would've been interesting..to see it played out..

I think Gotti would of had Gravano arrange to have mark zuckerberg clipped. And then had willie boy johnson kill gravano.