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The Castellano Hit. #932613
03/10/18 02:35 AM
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In retrospect would Gravano and Frankie Loc being better off letting big Paul go to to prison for life in 86 instead of killing him in Dec 1985.

They should have whacked Gotti instead at this time and dismantled his crew.

They would have stood to gain after Paul went to prison. They could have taken over the Gambino Family .

Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: sbhc] #932615
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Neil Dellacroce, Gotti's protector, had died. Paul was preparing to make Tommy Bilotti his second in command. The meeting at Sparks, at minimum, would have been to announce Gotti's demotion, which would almost certainly have led to his death. And, there was no guarantee that Paul would be convicted of the RICO rap. Time was running out on all of them, including Gravano and Loc. It was kill or be killed.


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Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: sbhc] #932616
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Gravano would have became a Capo anyway, and Frank LoCascio was all ready a Capo. They would not have gotten administration positions that early. Tommy Bilotti and Tommy Gambino would become Underboss and Boss when Big Paul went to prison. The real power after that would be James Failla, Frank DeCicco, and Danny Marino. Gambino would have demoted Bilotti from underboss to Capo and made Failla underboss.


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Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #932620
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Gravano would have became a Capo anyway, and Frank LoCascio was all ready a Capo. They would not have gotten administration positions that early. Tommy Bilotti and Tommy Gambino would become Underboss and Boss when Big Paul went to prison. The real power after that would be James Failla, Frank DeCicco, and Danny Marino. Gambino would have demoted Bilotti from underboss to Capo and made Failla underboss.


Frankie Loc was still a soldier at the time of the Castellano hit, Joseph Armone was his capo.

The capos would never answer to a fucking geek like Tommy Gambino, hell they got pissed off when there was talk of Tommy Gambino being made acting boss if Castellano went away to prison. Tommy ain't no mobster, he is all businessman.

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Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: Neo] #932621
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Tommy is propably the nicest guy ever involved in the mob.

He would have never being anywhere near the life if he wasn't the son of Carlo.

Street guys weren't going to listen to the likes of the college educated Tommaso.

They'd had their fill with big Paul, who was another racketeer and not a gangster.

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Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: Neo] #932643
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Originally Posted by Neo
Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Gravano would have became a Capo anyway, and Frank LoCascio was all ready a Capo. They would not have gotten administration positions that early. Tommy Bilotti and Tommy Gambino would become Underboss and Boss when Big Paul went to prison. The real power after that would be James Failla, Frank DeCicco, and Danny Marino. Gambino would have demoted Bilotti from underboss to Capo and made Failla underboss.


Frankie Loc was still a soldier at the time of the Castellano hit, Joseph Armone was his capo.

The capos would never answer to a fucking geek like Tommy Gambino, hell they got pissed off when there was talk of Tommy Gambino being made acting boss if Castellano went away to prison. Tommy ain't no mobster, he is all businessman.


Angelo Mascia was Frank's Capo. Frank served as acting capo of the crew in the late 1970's, and again from 1983 to 1984, when Mascia stepped down for health reasons. Frank was promoted by Big Paul as the Capo of the crew in late 1984, and officially in early 1985. The Gotti crew would have been disbanded and speculation is that the crew would be divided into the DeCicco, Failla, and LaForte crews. John Gotti would be marked for death. John Giordano took over Joe Armone crew when he became underboss.


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Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: sbhc] #932652
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sbhc, think frank decicco, gravano was brought in by frank, dont think frank loc and decicco were that close but frank d and gotti were very close.

Re: The Castellano Hit. [Re: sbhc] #932762
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According to Gravano's book, if Castellano went away for one of his cases Tommy Gambino was going to be acting boss and Bilotti the underboss. In Gotti: The Rise and Fall, presumably according to wiretaps, Gotti was told that he would be part of a three man ruling panel with Gambino and Bilotti.

Based on what I've read about Tommy Gambino, it didn't sound like he was interested in being a Cosa Nostra boss. I haven't heard a single good thing said about Bilotti. And we all know about Gotti. So there was bound to be problems. Gotti being hit or Gotti taking out the two Tommys or civil war.

Either way, it probably would have been best for both of them if they kept their heads down and did their own thing. Wouldn't have got as much money but wouldn't have ended up in prison either.


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