I think thay nowadays the lcn have to start recruit more and more half italians too
Because if not in 30 years from now their be no mafia anymore due to less full italians

Matthey Madonna was involved in a gambling scheme on 2007 where they made 2.2 billion dollars in 15 months.. Thats still going strong in my opinion.


The Italian mafia overall including allt the four are more powerful than the Russians. You have Russians who is considered in media as a Mafia or as a Gangster but the truth is he is just a buisness man who uses criminal methods to run his buisness, but he is not devoted 100 percent to that life like a ndranghetisti or a Camorristi.

Hey Furio, if you had t guess, how often is Omerta broken in Italy?

In USA in the 1950's basically never. In 2018, it seems like 50%

How are things over there?

They didn't make 2.2 billion dollars. That is the total number of bets in revenue.

Well maybe of all those bets they lost 10 % However you wanna put it and calculate it atleast 1 billion dollar has gone into their pockets.

That would be an incredible feat! Their goal to not be the gambler and take basically the same amount of action on both sides of bet and live off the vig.

So thy would be lucky to clear 10% if no one messed up .... maybe 15% if they messed up and got lucky but after expenses it's probably more like 8%.

But close to $2M In 15 months .... not bad!

Hmmmm you clearly don't have any knowledge on how bookmaking works. Bookies take bets, that money doesn't belong to them and most of it ends up in the pockets of the lucky winners who made the winning bets.

Depend by the organization: the camorra clans are plenty of rats,in the sicilian mafia the peak of mafiosi that flipped was between 1987 (the maxi trial) and the 1993,the last great mafioso to broke the omertà was Gaspare Spatuzza in 2008;the ndrangheta rats can be counted on the finger of one hand and no big fishes.

The Camorra have plenty of rats ?!?! Really ?!
In gomorra it's seem like they are all stand up guys (i know it's a tv show but still)

8% of $2.2 billion is $176 million.

Or recruit more immigrants from the Mezzogiorno.

Furio's assessment of the three Mafia's is correct.
The ones that are more successful are the ones that enlist family members and expand their network by having their children marry into other established families. Usually the more male sons you have the greater the influence. Their children are taught at an early age and their wives being born in that environment also play an important role in raising these children to become men of honor. It is a way of life and culture that is passed on from generations to others.
Being 50% or 100% Italian is not the only criteria. The ones that circumvent are the ones that pay the price when arrests are made and some decide to rat.

Meyer gomorrah is real as the godfather; in the real life ciro di marzio when Don Pietro order to kill his daughter he would immediatly flip and send to jail don pietro,genny and the other savastano loyalists;or the ciro's wife would escaped with his daughter for save her from ciro;in gomorrah series the counterpart represented by law enforcement agencies is totally absent,in the Camorra many boys used to luxury, as soon as they end up in prison or worse in 41 bis, they can not stand up and decide to sell their friends.

Inthe ndrangheta are the mother that teach their children what is the omertà and prepare children to be ruthless leader and daughters to be mothers and pawns for alliances of the family.
Giuseppina Pesce of the Pesce ndrina "that in Calabria a Pesce is as a Riina or a Provenzano in Sicily" daughter of the boss and mother at 15 y for don't stay away from his sons flipped in 2011 and made start the operation All Clean.Now his brother swored to kill her and her mother said his daughter is died.

sicilian mafia is the same of ndrangheta, they teach the children what is omertà
sicilian mafia has more turncoats only because police focussed on it too much since the ending of 1980s
anyway it is not right ndrangheta turncoats can be counted on the finger of one hand, they are less than camorra and sicilian mafia, but a sizeable number too

In the NYC the Russians control:
- Coney Island
- Brighton Beach
- Parts of Sheepshead Bay.
Whereas the American mob has influence over all five boroughs in NYC. The mob also has guys in Sheepshead, and Coney Island to a lesser extent but they don't step on the Russians toes.

In these select pockets of Brooklyn that the Russians control, they are involved in:
- Bookmaking (cards and numbers - I don't know about sports betting)
- Loansharking
- Shakedowns of small businesses
- Drug dealing.
- Some high-ranking OC Russians have been involved in financial frauds and other swindles in the US but they don't really associate with the guys that control the other rackets i.e. bookmaking.

The mob, all over NYC and Jersey, control:
- All forms of gambling, including cards, sports betting and numbers.
- Forms of fraud such as personal scams, financial scams, insurance scams.
- Hijacking (the Russians may be involved in this too to a lesser extent).
- Drug dealing (all forms of drugs)
- Stock fraud (pump and dumps, wall street, etc.)
- Small business shakedowns (not as much as the Russian mob for many reasons).
- UNIONS! This is the main thing separating Russians and Italians. Once the Russians get entrenched in stuff like unions/politics, then talk to me about them being more powerful.

With the Russians, the guys at the top are in their 30s/40s whereas the guys at the top of the Mafia are often 60+. It is evident that there are a surging number of young, disenfranchised Russians in the U.S. that are resorting to organized crime. The Mafia meanwhile is a lot more established - there is still a sizable recruiting pool (in the suburbs, not so much the urban areas) but the bigwigs are guys that are established and older, and have been with the family for decades. There are a lot of powerful wiseguys that were straightened out before the Russian mob was even a thing, like Vinny Asaro, Andy Russo, Barney Bellomo.

Also, the Russians have a tendency to be a lot more violent than the Italians. That is because these guys often come from war-torn countries or rough backgrounds in the homeland whereas the Italian-Americans of today have kids, families, play golf, etc. For example in 2016 a group of Russian gangsters burnt down an entire apartment building in Sheepshead Bay because there was a rival card game held in the storefront. You wouldn't get that with the Italians nowadays. But I think the Russians are eventually going to realize that America isn't really the place for that sort of behavior since the feds are all over that.

If you have any questions about anything I said, please ask since I want to maintain a good reputation on this forum and not be viewed as a bullshitter/liar. This is my first post on this forum.

Nicky from Tampa.

Wow MEYER. Great post. Good information. I learned a lot.

Gomorra...good source material. Your mother sucked my cock last night.

More genius from Meyer. Thanks. This added a lot to the thread. You are a waste of sperm.

John Gotti's son Junior was half-Italian on his father's side.
I think as long as you have an Italian last name (and you don't look black, or Chinese or anything), you'll be fine - these guys don't do genealogy tests.

I did hear about one issue with Andrew Campos, a Gambino acting capo with a Greek-esque last name. The family looked into his history and found that he was actually Italian. Allegedly (don't know how true this is) the surname was originally Campo or something similar and his grandparents/great-grandparents changed it to prevent anti-Italian stigma.

But, what you are saying Meyer that the mob will not be Italian in 30 years is a puzzling argument because it's not like Italians are DYING OUT, they are just moving to the suburbs.

Also, don't see why you cited Gomorrah as your source. That, along with the Sopranos and the Godfather, etc., etc., are all make-believe or dramatizations. Strange thing to say.

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I was asking furio
I know it's a show i said it myself but wanted to know how things are really like in the camorra

Ryan's been banned. Despite numerous warnings against flaming others he continued to do so. There is no room here for anyone who can't follow simple rules.

Funny thing is that i don't even know what i did to this guy...
I think it's all started from mrjustsayno post that i told him to keep posting and that he post great stuff and ryan hated him

Well, u wont have 2 read hisSHIT or worry about him or certain sarcastic newcamers anymore..as u can see,mods are all about the Big Brother ,eye in the sky dudes,keeping everyone proper as it should be..post on Meyer!

Thanks !

So i was wrong ? Or right ? Maybe not in 30 years but 50 ? Or even more ?
What i mean to ask is
So there are less italians these days ? (compare to the past) or more but they just don't join the mob like they used to ?

Probably more Italians
But the Italians are Americans first now.

LCN was born out Sicily
And Sicilys history and culture

LCN will always exist to a certain degree

It has for over 100 years

There will always be gamlbling, loan sharking and drugs and other black market.
LCN was origiannly created to be a Gov't in the lack of an actual Gov't

That was taken here to America when 1MM+ Sicialins came to America within a couple of years

That will never happen again.

The other thing about LCN back in th eary days in American Italians were treated very poorly and they had very few oppotrtunities to get up out of the poor Italian ghetto neighborhoods that existing during the great depression.

So really smart guys had very few choices and took the LCN route as they believed that was the only way out of poverty.

So you had the guys that could have been doctors, lawyers etc. joining LCN

Now for Italian americans there are so many ways out that joining LCN is not that attractive anymore.

Except in cases when fathers are passing down wealth and rackets to their sons.

Or something similar

Still might not be worth it because the sons will likey get pinched and go to jail

ohh i got it thanks a lot !

It was very common back in the for Italians to change their names to try to fit in

I.E. I have a friend 100% Italian last name back in Italy was Oliveri his grandfather chaged it to Oliver to give their family a better chance at the American dream
That's what they thought at the time anyway

I believe salemme was made by patriarca jr

Patriarca Junior??? I can't see that being true. Can Furio or anyone from Prov/Boston confirm this? Being from Prov I'd never heard that being the case.