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How much does the average soldier earn? #926193
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Any ideas? I'm referring to soldiers from the NY families. I know some are multi millionaires while other are only scratching a living but what is the average?

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Maybe the average is couple of thousands a week
But really who knows it depends on the soldier and from what family he is and what crew.

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Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
Maybe the average is couple of thousands a week
But really who knows it depends on the soldier and from what family he is and what crew.


Jesus fuck all that ceremony stuff with the burning picture of a saint, pricked finger and agreeing to shoot your own brother if the family ordered it, all over a couple thousand dollars a week?

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Originally Posted By: Neo
Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
Maybe the average is couple of thousands a week
But really who knows it depends on the soldier and from what family he is and what crew.


Jesus fuck all that ceremony stuff with the burning picture of a saint, pricked finger and agreeing to shoot your own brother if the family ordered it, all over a couple thousand dollars a week?


Its diffucult to say from example the gambinos made 1 bilion in the 1980s now maybe half a bilion divided or 200 made men is 2.5 milions.

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Originally Posted By: Neo
Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
Maybe the average is couple of thousands a week
But really who knows it depends on the soldier and from what family he is and what crew.


Jesus fuck all that ceremony stuff with the burning picture of a saint, pricked finger and agreeing to shoot your own brother if the family ordered it, all over a couple thousand dollars a week?

Again it depends
I think roy demeo was made 1 milion a week as soldier from the drug and stuff

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Just like in your life it's what you make of it . The family is not going to hand you anything till you prove yourself and nine times out of ten you were starting to do well for yourself before a boss is going to hand you a lucrative racket .


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About as much as the solider of a UBN set.


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Re: How much does the average soldier earn? [Re: Neo] #926233
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Joe Defede estimated that the average low level Lucchese soldier earns around $5000 per week. That estimate is old though and was made in 2002.

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As much as he can earn

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Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
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Maybe the average is couple of thousands a week
But really who knows it depends on the soldier and from what family he is and what crew.


Jesus fuck all that ceremony stuff with the burning picture of a saint, pricked finger and agreeing to shoot your own brother if the family ordered it, all over a couple thousand dollars a week?

Again it depends
I think roy demeo was made 1 milion a week as soldier from the drug and stuff


That might have been his entire crew's total earnings when he was soldier/acting capo. That guy that did the rounds picking up Castellano's share from all the crews, he said that the DeMeo crew were kicking up $100k-$150k per week which would make their weekly earnings $1-1.5 million dollars.

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I wonder how much michael franseze made every week as soldier
I am pretty sure alot of money because he was always a good earner.

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Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
I wonder how much michael franseze made every week as soldier


Or the bigger question - Where is it all now?

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That's great question !
But the same goes for even active mobsters, it hard for them to use that money

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What if the guys just muscle. Bites when hes told. And maybe the guy who sponcerd him his boss goes to jail . He makes nothing unless hes well liked by other people in the family and they give him a olive branch. 1 guy al darco told his story in his book how some old gangster manzo who was a luchese member from the 50tys and controled jfk airport rackets. He didnt like al and blocked him from being inducted for years and we as a board of readers should give little al credit for saying this cause he said the guy calld him ice cream scooper. Hahah. Atleast al kinda came down to earth. Al says he never made much money had to sell dope he wasnt educated in other rackets. Then paul vario dies and shit fell into his lap. But i would guess just like in life you earn whatever you know how to do. I swear to god changing brakes on a car should be as important as being a dick doctor. You knkw theres a 100 type of doctors now theres dr. That only prescribe dick medicine well the guy who changes your rotors and brakes is more important in my book if hes resonable. Fucking flu had me in for days. Wooo i drank alittle.

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Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
I wonder how much michael franseze made every week as soldier
I am pretty sure alot of money because he was always a good earner.


According to his book, not long after becoming a soldier he put $100,000 on the streets in shylock loans which brought in $2000 to $3000 every week. Also a phantom work scam with a shipping-container repair firm brought in $2000 a week. And once the gasoline tax scam starting rolling that was millions a week.

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The avg soldier probaly earns again what ever he can. This guy vincent asaro worked part time at wegmans but they had him talking on tape how he blew like thousands at the track in 1 day only a few yrs back. Im just guessing for a guy magbe 40ty whose controlled by a lcn guy. That why all the gangsters in the 90tys wanted the wall st guys but they got caught to. Will we see some lcn guys getting busted over i dont even no what bitcoin is but say that. Heard it took a plunge in the last month. Hope all is well with vegas mickey in 2018. Mayne he got them loans under control.

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Originally Posted By: MightyDR
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I wonder how much michael franseze made every week as soldier
I am pretty sure alot of money because he was always a good earner.


According to his book, not long after becoming a soldier he put $100,000 on the streets in shylock loans which brought in $2000 to $3000 every week. Also a phantom work scam with a shipping-container repair firm brought in $2000 a week. And once the gasoline tax scam starting rolling that was millions a week.

Wow and i guess he made even more money as a capo from the gasoline.
And In todays mob i am pretty sure almost no one can make that amount of money or even close to that.
Or maybe even in the history of the lcn only a few guys were that good earners and making those kind of cash and michael for sure was one of them.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
What if the guys just muscle. Bites when hes told. And maybe the guy who sponcerd him his boss goes to jail . He makes nothing unless hes well liked by other people in the family and they give him a olive branch. 1 guy al darco told his story in his book how some old gangster manzo who was a luchese member from the 50tys and controled jfk airport rackets. He didnt like al and blocked him from being inducted for years and we as a board of readers should give little al credit for saying this cause he said the guy calld him ice cream scooper. Hahah. Atleast al kinda came down to earth. Al says he never made much money had to sell dope he wasnt educated in other rackets. Then paul vario dies and shit fell into his lap. But i would guess just like in life you earn whatever you know how to do. I swear to god changing brakes on a car should be as important as being a dick doctor. You knkw theres a 100 type of doctors now theres dr. That only prescribe dick medicine well the guy who changes your rotors and brakes is more important in my book if hes resonable. Fucking flu had me in for days. Wooo i drank alittle.


Frankie the Wop (Manzo) was a good judge of character, Al D'Arco was a big headed asshole from what I know about him.

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Well how much does the Capo and the Boss make is my question?

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Originally Posted By: doggystyle
Well how much does the Capo and the Boss make is my question?


Soldiers kick up 20% to the capo, the capo kicks up half of that to the boss plus 10% of whatever he earns.

I'm not sure what connected guys kick up.

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Originally Posted By: Neo
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Well how much does the Capo and the Boss make is my question?


Soldiers kick up 20% to the capo, the capo kicks up half of that to the boss plus 10% of whatever he earns.

I'm not sure what connected guys kick up.


I don't think it is as set in stone as that. For example, Vincent Cafaro testified that a capo could demand ten percent of the profits made by his soldiers on a score. He also said that he shared the profits of the Harlem numbers business 50/50 with Fat Tony. With unions it gets even more complicated.

Then you have Franzese saying 20% off the top of the gas tax scam profits goes directly to the Colombo family. The way Franzese tells it, when he was a soldier, he was personally giving Persico two million a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4bwHgq-ha8

It really just depends on the family and crew that you are in, plus the business you are in.

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Originally Posted By: MightyDR
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Well how much does the Capo and the Boss make is my question?


Soldiers kick up 20% to the capo, the capo kicks up half of that to the boss plus 10% of whatever he earns.

I'm not sure what connected guys kick up.


I don't think it is as set in stone as that. For example, Vincent Cafaro testified that a capo could demand ten percent of the profits made by his soldiers on a score. He also said that he shared the profits of the Harlem numbers business 50/50 with Fat Tony. With unions it gets even more complicated.

Then you have Franzese saying 20% off the top of the gas tax scam profits goes directly to the Colombo family. The way Franzese tells it, when he was a soldier, he was personally giving Persico two million a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4bwHgq-ha8

It really just depends on the family and crew that you are in, plus the business you are in.


Yeah it's not quite set in stone like that but just as a rule of thumb the soldiers generally kick up 20% - 10% goes to the Boss and 10% to the capo.

The Russians were running the gas tax scam and kicking up to the five families and everyone was getting rich.

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Some situations are more complicated...specifically, philly lcn.
They have a boss, front boss, street boss, consig, and underboss! Either they have more rackets then we think or each admin spot have their own crew or guys thier direct with...there's just not enough money t go around, your thoughts?


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Some situations are more complicated...specifically, philly lcn.
They have a boss, front boss, street boss, consig, and underboss! Either they have more rackets then we think or each admin spot have their own crew or guys thier direct with...there's just not enough money t go around, your thoughts?


Yeah Philly have a boss, acting boss, street boss, boss this and boss that. A bit like the Colombo's with their Boss, acting boss, street boss, underboss, acting under boss, consigliere, acting consigliere.
Too many chiefs and not enough indians.

With such a small family like Philly ( I think they got 5 crews) I'm thinking the guys in the administration are putting their necks on the line for only a little extra reward. Joey takes 5%, acting boss takes 5%, street boss gets a major gambling racket. What ever they are getting, it ain't worth the heat.



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Joey 5%
Ligambi's 5%
Chang senior?
Chang junior?
Mazzone?
Lance?


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Originally Posted By: doggystyle
Well how much does the Capo and the Boss make is my question?


Soldiers kick up 20% to the capo, the capo kicks up half of that to the boss plus 10% of whatever he earns.

I'm not sure what connected guys kick up.


I don't think it is as set in stone as that. For example, Vincent Cafaro testified that a capo could demand ten percent of the profits made by his soldiers on a score. He also said that he shared the profits of the Harlem numbers business 50/50 with Fat Tony. With unions it gets even more complicated.

Then you have Franzese saying 20% off the top of the gas tax scam profits goes directly to the Colombo family. The way Franzese tells it, when he was a soldier, he was personally giving Persico two million a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4bwHgq-ha8

It really just depends on the family and crew that you are in, plus the business you are in.


Yeah it's not quite set in stone like that but just as a rule of thumb the soldiers generally kick up 20% - 10% goes to the Boss and 10% to the capo.

The Russians were running the gas tax scam and kicking up to the five families and everyone was getting rich.

Rackets like the gas scam or the unions are set up by the family and therefore require a higher kick. That's why it differs from the standard 10-20% tribute.


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And despite being a criminal organization, the Mafia's business model operates more like independents contractors. You earn whatever you can, keep your own rackets and pay a portion of your earnings to upper management for the privilege of being part of a crew/family. This makes a soldier's earning very greatly.


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Originally Posted By: MightyDR
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Well how much does the Capo and the Boss make is my question?


Soldiers kick up 20% to the capo, the capo kicks up half of that to the boss plus 10% of whatever he earns.

I'm not sure what connected guys kick up.


I don't think it is as set in stone as that. For example, Vincent Cafaro testified that a capo could demand ten percent of the profits made by his soldiers on a score. He also said that he shared the profits of the Harlem numbers business 50/50 with Fat Tony. With unions it gets even more complicated.

Then you have Franzese saying 20% off the top of the gas tax scam profits goes directly to the Colombo family. The way Franzese tells it, when he was a soldier, he was personally giving Persico two million a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4bwHgq-ha8

It really just depends on the family and crew that you are in, plus the business you are in.


They are still living off that cash , investing legally building upstate don't know about the city.


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Joey 5%
Ligambi's 5%
Chang senior?
Chang junior?
Mazzone?
Lance?


lol idk

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Until someone flips were never going to know what the admin gets or how it’s allocated .

I don’t see most soldiers making $5k a week outside of the most successful ones.

Joe Perna said he made $7k in 10 days on tape I think and I would consider him a successful earner. Probably in that $250k+ range but he also had a $100k gambling debt with Joey Ds guy book . That $250k is tax free tho and I’m sure he has a few big robbery or drug scores fall into his lap from his network of guys

I wldnt be surprised if your typical low level soldier that isn’t tied to a sustainable $ racket is in the $100k range and the real successful ones that have big sports and loan books, drugs or construction companies are $250-500k and the real high level soldiers $500-1M+ plus a bunch of real estate

This is all just a guess tho

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