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JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? #922137
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Once we get done pouring over all of the 2,800 released documents hopefully we will get to see how much of the Mafia's role was played in the JFK Assassination...

See below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD5DdOaFtfU

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All of the files are supposed to be released by this year by the act of Congress in 1992. Trump is keeping some files away from the public due to national security. Maybe it shows that Ted Cruz father had nothing to do with the assassination and that is why Trump order some of the files withheld.

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I think that kennedy was killed by the mafia and cia. Jfk father promised to the mob that his son will close both eyes on the mob but jfk made the opposite; jfk was against the war in Vietnam and the bay of pigs invasion failed due he denied the aviation cover. So that behind a mr nobody that was a worst shooter that killed the president and after was killed by a mob associate that after few years died in prison due a providential cancer; I think there was the mob and the cia.

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I believe because JFK's dad was obviously in the bootlegging business,as was LCN.

Once Chicago and NY got their grips into the Prohibition money, they told JFK's dad what HE MUST pay them....He probably was not up to date on what he owed them BUT, claimed that once his son became president, THEY would be paid back in a way that only a President can do. I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

JFK could NEVER grant a pardon as such in the beginning of his term. Impeachment city!

JFK couldn't deliver on the promise his dad made to LCN....So, they chose to make Sr. feel the most pain. Burying his child.

My theory!

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I go with a CIA operation with the help of some elements of the mob.


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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
I believe because JFK's dad was obviously in the bootlegging business,as was LCN.

Once Chicago and NY got their grips into the Prohibition money, they told JFK's dad what HE MUST pay them....He probably was not up to date on what he owed them BUT, claimed that once his son became president, THEY would be paid back in a way that only a President can do. I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

JFK could NEVER grant a pardon as such in the beginning of his term. Impeachment city!

JFK couldn't deliver on the promise his dad made to LCN....So, they chose to make Sr. feel the most pain. Burying his child.

My theory!


1)JFK should simply ignore Mafia but he made his brother U.S. attorney general that pushed Hoover to fight the mob;
2)Luciano was out of games and was replaced;
3)Of course JFK couldn't keep his father's promises but he not only fight the mafia,made fail the bay of pigs operation,He stood against the military because he don't wanted to attack Vietnam,so made more enemy that friends;
4)pardon the mobsters ? in the 1960 the mob controlled the politicians so, no one could try the impeachment.

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The mafia isn't exonerated. I haven't yet read any of the released files on the JFK hit, but one thing reported on the news about one of the revelations from the declassified files was that the CIA at that time wanted to use the mafia to assassinate Fidel Castro. Therefore they were hit men in the government's employ.


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Oswald killed Kennedy.


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Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? [Re: Organized Crime Channel] #922189
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Always thought it was lbj he gained the most. Whats up with insecure sam giacanna. Hes gonna kill fidel for the cia for 150k which is probaly like 20 million today. But the cia has to bugg a casino hotel in vegas were his mistress stays banging all the hotel staff when hes gone. This guy was a boss sounds like a bitch.

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #922190
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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

Lucky was almost two years dead when JFK was killed. But you're certainly entitled to the rest of your theory.


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The evidence pointing to Cuba or Russia being behind Oswald has always been way more convincing. It was Oswald on his own or with backing from one of those two countries. Oswald had once tried to assassinate an army general, and had been in trouble as young man for shooting at people from a window.

In the year prior to his killing JFK Oswald had developed a close friendship with a Russian named George de Mohrenschildt, and he seemed to be Oswald's only close companion in the year leading up to the assassination.

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Yup. I think a case can me made for either. Or, and don't laugh, for Oswald acting alone. Give a conspiracy theorist enough time and he'll think of a plausible scenario for just about anything. One thing I'm certain of: We'll never get the truth out of the government. And that's IF they even know the whole truth. I don't care how many files need to be "legally unsealed." It'd be like getting the Vatican to give up secrets about the early Church.


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I read the feds knew about the death threat against Oswald, hopefully we learn someday more about Ruby's motive.


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Trump is now going to release all secret documents about John F. Kennedy's assassination in 1963, except information with names and addresses of people still living. He let it know on Twitter.


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Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? [Re: furio_from_naples] #922216
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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
I think that kennedy was killed by the mafia and cia. Jfk father promised to the mob that his son will close both eyes on the mob but jfk made the opposite; jfk was against the war in Vietnam and the bay of pigs invasion failed due he denied the aviation cover. So that behind a mr nobody that was a worst shooter that killed the president and after was killed by a mob associate that after few years died in prison due a providential cancer; I think there was the mob and the cia.


i agree furio, joe kennedy sr was deeply involved in the mob, the mob thought they were double-crossed



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Lydon johnson and hoover. Who made it bigger then them.

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Guest appearance, pmac lol. How's my favorite Boston Irishman these days?


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

Lucky was almost two years dead when JFK was killed. But you're certainly entitled to the rest of your theory.


Also got to consider that JFK got into office on January 10th, 1961.....Lucky died January 26, 1962.

Since LCN had all the politicians back then, they may have believed that on January 11, a presidential pardon was coming....That is dumb thinking if they did.

The only facts I have to even add this into my theory is, just like the Joe Bonanno situation. Once he 100% knew he wasn't getting back into the life, guess what time it is?

Time to give the middle finger to your supposed friends.

BOOK TIME!

I also believe Lucky was murdered.

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I hope these files answer the big questions. Like why they made Oswald wear a tiny hat when they arrested him. Because, you know, I’ve always wondered about that...



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The files released neither confirmed or debunked any of the conspiracy theories,[u][/u] or the Warren Commission's conclusion that there was no conspiracy, and that Oswald acted alone. The only thing I'm certain of is that there will never be a case-closer. Too much time has passed, too many people have died, too much evidence has either been lost, disappeared or deliberately destroyed.


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Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? [Re: Organized Crime Channel] #922243
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There will never be some smoking gun as this type of operation wouldn't be down on paper although travel logs for guys like William Harvey , David Morale and David Atlee Phillips . Most of their files are still being held up .

Johnny Roselli is a mafia guy that was likely involved as he was very close to William Harvey and David Moralez who ran our foreign political assasination group and who worked together on the Castro hit ZR Rifle .

The first documents declassified in the 90s had some real good info on how top CIA guys like James Angelton closely observed LHO from 1959 thru 1963. LHO defected to Russia and was a classified radio operator for U2 planes flying from a CIA / military base in Japan to Russia and yet he was able to walk back into the USA without even an interview , ( yeah ok ) LHO was being used knowingly or unknowingly for some pretty serious shit .

Whoever did the hit knew about LHO relationship with the CIA and probably used that to their advantage ( blackmail ) as he was in several important cables between Mexico City and CIA HQs in Oct 1963 about his visits to Cuba and Russia embassies which were shown to the public until the 1990s . The even crazier part is LHO was impersonated in his calls to Cuban Embassy in Oct 1963 so all kinds of intelligence activities was going on around him , I do wonder if he had a clue

Crazy shit but I love following it smile . Who knows who Ok'd but some of the same CIA , anti Castro Cuban and TB / NO / Chi mafia guys that were supposed to hit Castro after the Cuban middle crisis turned around and hit Kennedy . I don't think we will ever know but some Italians researchers are doing some excellent work tracing the Americans intelligence agents and Italians at the company CMC Permadex to the murder weapon and even financing part . Very good new documentary on it and that guy William Harvery was banished to Rome CIA head after his demotion after Cuban Missile Crisis.

In 2014 the CIA wrote a report admitting to a "benign cover up" by CIA head McCone and several senior CIA agents whatever the hell that means .

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Also what I find interesting is the HSCA in 1979 stated there was likely a conspiracy ant the DOJ should investigate further . The fact nothing happened after that investigation which still had it laws but was more thorough than the WC is pretty crazy IMO. The WC was a legal brief to convict LHO and prevent and international incidents or at least that's what LBJ said . There's is that phone call with LBJ and Dick Russell saying no way LHO could do that shot . I agree with that as well

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When the American government asked the Mafia for a favor: The assassination of Cuban leader Fidel Castro

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Here is the follow up video on the released files:

Sam Giancana, The CIA, and Plots to Kill Fidel Castro and JFK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhEICNgw3Jc

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I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.

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Originally Posted by Faithful1
I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.


Nicely said and the Mob probably had nothing to do with it except dont forget that the government "sometimes" keeps important files from us even though they are always saying that everything is released. The only thing was that the Mob was only happy with the whole situation but i would disagree a little bit that Oswald was the lone shooter or in other words i disagree that he acted on his own.

Btw wasnt Crimaldi responsible or wasnt he the start for the whole Nicoletti-CIA story?


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Originally Posted by Toodoped
Originally Posted by Faithful1
I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.


Nicely said and the Mob probably had nothing to do with it except dont forget that the government "sometimes" keeps important files from us even though they are always saying that everything is released. The only thing was that the Mob was only happy with the whole situation but i would disagree a little bit that Oswald was the lone shooter or in other words i disagree that he acted on his own.

Btw wasnt Crimaldi responsible or wasnt he the start for the whole Nicoletti-CIA story?


Thanks. Oswald may have had help, but the available evidence points to him as the only shooter.

Crimaldi said he believed that Nicoletti may have been killed because of his role in the Fidel Castro plot, not for killing Kennedy. He added that he didn't have evidence for this belief, but he was speculating. A Professor Adams thinks that Gaeton Fonzi, a conspiracy-believing journalist who worked for the HSCA, was the source of Nicoletti being involved in the Kennedy assassination. That's also speculation, but it sounds possible.

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Actually most of the evidence points to a likely conspiracy

The WC just pushed aside any evidence that didn’t fit their lone shooter legal
brief to calm down the public .

I believe there are 40+ witnesses that claimed a shot from the front

Oswald alleged weapon was nearly in operable and you can’t miss the entire
Car on the first shot and then hit 2 bulls eyes afterwards . Not enough
Time to re aim and re load

JFK had a hole in his shirt that made it impossible for
A bullet to come out his neck , particularly from the alleged angle of LHO.

Also you have LBJ and Richard Russell who was a top guy on the WC on a phone call saying they
Didn’t believe the magic bullet before the warren report came out .

Seems today people are trying to pin it back to Cuba and Russia but it’s pretty
Clear LHO was at least an asset of the CIA and possibly more. You can’t defect
From a top secret U2 base, be willing to provide radar secrets to the USSR, then
Come back via a loan from the State Dept and nothing happens to you at the height of the Cold War


LHO was monitored by the spy master , James Angetlon, the unit that spied
On spy’s . A new document just came out saying Angleton new
LHO was in Dallas a week before the Assassination. This after
Angetlon stated LHO was in Mexico City meeting with an alleged
Soviet Assassin and while all this was allegedly going on
The FBI removes him from their security index in October 63. Have to ask yourself
Why Angetlon didn’t pass along info an alleged defector was meeting with a Soviet assasin to the FBI? Unless
Some serious spy stuff was gong on here, who knows who played who but
There was certainly an attempt to lay the blame at USSR and / or Cuba ( the
other embassy LHO supposedly visited ). Whoever did the hit
Knew about LHO dealings w CIA and FBI and basically forced a cover up.
Brilliant shit actually

Don’t forget 9 months after JFK was killed , Krushchev was over thrown
By the war wing of the Soviet Union . Pretty sure same happened with JFK .

I’m not some conspiracy freak , just like to read the facts and it seems
some real bad shit went down here . Some rouge guys that were supposed to hit
Castro seemed to have changed targets back on JFK

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Is there really even evidence that Oswald was a shooter?


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