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Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920072
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"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #920080
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Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
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Originally Posted By: Tonytough
For the beating Gotti suffered at the hands of Johnson...

I've read and heard so many people over the yrs all over forums/ here even and youtube etc saying it wasn't a fair fight... Gotti had cancer, he was decade older than the guy, he got clocked by surprise, and now " oh he had cuffs on" etc

Anyone who has ever been street fighting (I grew up fighting from age 14-22) and now I'm registered disabled at 35...yet I still get fools trying to challenge me. And it's always a few vs one me

The time I got jumped by 6-7 Russians for helping my friend, I was recovering from a torn hamstring and hadn't been training for entire yr or more

So my point is- there's NEVER ever a fair fight

Gotti I'm certain enjoyed hurting people as a young man, u telling me he rolled up alone and handed out boxing gloves whilst asking his victim for a medical before they hit it off? Forget about that! He rolled up with Fat Angie, Gene plus Willie boy and beat ya brains out with a bat

People say he was sucker punched, well do u think he sent advance notice when he decide to put 2 behind your ear



For some reason Gotti has a lot of fans. No mobster should have "fans" IMO but if you are gonna respect a mobster gotti should not be on that list. Yes he was a tough guy BUT he wasn't fearless. I could name examples of guys he feared. Did he fear Johnson? I don't know but I do know he got his ass kicked fair and square. This happened before he got cancer too so that excuses doesn't hold up.


gotti was a good man. its true that many mobsters are thugs but id say 90% of them are good decent people. gotti was a real alpha male. iwish we had more men like gotti today. the gotti beating was all nonsense. john wasn't hurt.

"Gotti was a good man"......LOL

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920081
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You don't become a soldier or a capo by being a decent person.

The Aronwald, Kubecka, Barstow and Hatcher families might have a different idea of what constitutes a decent person.



I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920083
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Moe happens to be right....

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920084
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None of these guys are decent or good people.....they're criminals, killers, etc.

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Moe_Tilden] #920085
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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
You don't become a soldier or a capo by being a decent person.

The Aronwald, Kubecka, Barstow and Hatcher families might have a different idea of what constitutes a decent person.



many associates are bad apples and a lot of young idiots tryin to prove themselves. the roy demeos, the henry hills, the tommy desimones..all bad sure..but made guys are almost always gentlemen. gotti helped a lot of people in howard beach. he paid for college for those who couldnt afford it, he paid hospital bills, mortgages, so much good he did. stop being so negative all the time.

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: JCrusher] #920086
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Originally Posted By: JCrusher
None of these guys are decent or good people.....they're criminals, killers, etc.


many people in the street are bad people no question about it. but made guys are usually nice people. john gotti was a sweetheart.

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920088
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He had his neighbour, who wasn't in the life, murdered.


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Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Moe_Tilden] #920089
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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
He had his neighbour, who wasn't in the life, murdered.



are you a father moe? imagine if some drunk loser ran over your child. john did what any man would do if they could get away with it

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920091
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Favara wasn't drunk. Favara worked for a living. Gotti was a deadbeat drunk and gambler who never worked an honest day in his life and barely ever woke before noon.

Witnesses said it was an unfortunate accident; it was proven that he was not speeding, nor was he drunk.


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Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #920094
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Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
He had his neighbour, who wasn't in the life, murdered.



are you a father moe? imagine if some drunk loser ran over your child. john did what any man would do if they could get away with it


are you serious? It was proven that he wasnt drunk or reckless...it was a tragic accident. Look i cant stop you from being a Gotti a fanboy but at least be factual

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Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Moe_Tilden] #920095
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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Gotti was a deadbeat drunk and gambler who never worked an honest day in his life and barely ever woke before noon.


Is not waking up before noon a bad thing? Oh no...


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Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: Tonytough] #920096
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Let me just say that they can be very nice, great tippers and all that. But I have seen some of these guys turn on a dime, especially with stupid mob infatuated women.

You can be working for them and everything is going great. They are stuffing money in your shirt pocket, that is until you do one little thing that rubs them the wrong way.

Here is a true story, and I will use real names because the guy is dead and this happened many years ago....

I was working in a club called "P.G Doogies" the owner was a low level mobbed up guy named Patsy Santanello. The place was jammed with pinky rings all night.
The band was on a break one night when Patsy heard that the drumer was next door having a cup of chili at Wendys. First off, the breaks are short so there is no time to order from the kitchen, secondly this place doesn't serve chili.
You should have seen this Patsy flip out because this guy had the nerve to eat at Wendys. He screamed at all of us, "you gonna spend money? you spend it HERE motherfuckers!!!"
Then he fired the whole band cause this poor guy had a cup of chili at Wendy's.

I haven't eaten at a Wendy's since...lol

Re: Why do people feel the need to make excuses [Re: salvi62] #920235
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Look I like goodfellas and sopranos as much as the next guy but these people are human garbage.

Sometimes do some of them do nice things? Sure maybe. But what do they do the other 354 days of the year that gives them the means to do those nice things? Exactly.

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