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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #990910
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i thought the main reason the killed tommy d was for him killing billy batts.


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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: Paul Pisano] #990924
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Originally Posted by Paul Pisano
i thought the main reason the killed tommy d was for him killing billy batts.


You are correct, the correct title for this topic if anything should be Vario gave up Tommy DeSimone because he raped Karen Hill. Vario and the Lucheses didn't kill DeSimone, the Gambinos, most likely Tommy Agro, killed DeSimone because he killed Batts. DeSimone was an earner but he was also a cowboy, as Paul Sorvino said in the movie. Once he outlived his usefullness he was expendable, no different than DeMeo or Sam DeSefano in Chicago, eventually lunatics get too hot. Once Vario got tired of the Fatico crew and the Gambinos hassling him about what happened to Batts he probably figured that DeSimone wasn't worth it. Throw in the fact that he had a thing for Karen Hill most likely Vario said thanks for the memories but I am turning you over to the Gambinos, have fun getting shot in the face.

Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #990933
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IRONICALLY GOODFELLAS DOES NOT GO INTO TOMMY TRYING TO RAPE HER OR THE VARIO AFFAIR WITH KAREN. it also did not go into tommy using drugs. we saw henry using them like candy. this is one of the reasons jimmy wanted to get rid of him besides the main reason was the fear henry would roll over. also in the book karen went to vario and was given money. in the movie henry goes to paulie who both gives him the money and turns his back on him for selling drugs. according to the rules it was if you deal you die but it seems like they would find a loophole around it to make money.


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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #990939
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The Luccheses (which Paul Vario was a member) were some of the biggest junk guys going back to the 50s. lol money is the loophole, Always!!!

Goodfellas was long enough and Pesci's Desimone potrayal was just enough to be convincing and sorta likeable, telling the total truth in movies can make it too convoluted and sometimes doesn't make fit the narrative they want to come across in the film

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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: Dob_Peppino] #990942
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Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino
The Luccheses (which Paul Vario was a member) were some of the biggest junk guys going back to the 50s. lol money is the loophole, Always!!!

Goodfellas was long enough and Pesci's Desimone potrayal was just enough to be convincing and sorta likeable, telling the total truth in movies can make it too convoluted and sometimes doesn't make fit the narrative they want to come across in the film



i actually loved the joe pesci character and was glad they did not go into it. tommy was a funny guy. i actually met paul vario jr. a nice guy.


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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: Paul Pisano] #990946
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I think most people like Tommy, the character in the movie but the real life guy was by most accounts much worse of a guy. Putting the Alleged rape attempt wouldn't have made him look any better.


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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #991029
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Why would Gotti kill Tommy D for an attempted rape of Hill? It wasn’t like she’s his sister or something, the Luccheses would have went to war with Gotti I imagine if he clips their guy for trying to rape the wife of a Lucchese guy. It’s none of Gotti’s business

Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #991079
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Tommy Desimone was murdered for a number of reasons.. first one being Paul Vario HATED him...2nd being he murdered foxy AND Billy Batts who was with the Gotti Crew..Third his father-inlaw was Sal Devita who was part of the John Gotti crew....John Gotti,Angelo Ruggerio,Bruno Facciola and Petey Vario murdered Tommy Desimone


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #991090
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who is foxy.


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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: Paul Pisano] #991095
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Foxy was a wiseguy from brownsville...Migrated to ozone park and the gotti crew in the 70s...Very tight with Gene Gotti and the Ralph Scopo Jr and Joe Scopo


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #991142
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I dont know if its bullshit but i heard they fuckin beat the hell out of tommy and he was killed slowly and they cut off his fuckin peeshadeel and threw it in the fuckin sewer drain

Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #991151
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i did also read that they beat the crap out of him don't know if he lost his boys.


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Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: Paul Pisano] #991153
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yeah i trew that one in dere im sorry i get fuckin carried away sometimes they didnt mess with his private parts as far as i fuckin know i cant even think about it heaven forbid

Re: Gotti killed DeSimone due tried to rape Karen Hill [Re: furio_from_naples] #991162
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could you imagine that fat fuck vario havin to pull his fat fuckin stomach up for her to suck his peeshadeel it must have smelled like fuckin cold cuts down there

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