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Aren't there already enough laws on the books to throw away the key on these guys if the judge wants to? I mean if the person is a known gang member the da would already point that out to the judge.

Or are judges in Mississippi under some kind of mandated guidelines?

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The states without major gang activity should have put these laws on the books DECADES ago.

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Yes , there's heavy sentencing here especially in regards to Drug Trafficking, Robbery, & Child pornography. Gang affiliations are pointed or mentioned but they don't receive additional sentencing for any action/activity that supports the group.

@Gets
It wouldn't make much sense to put it on the book if there's none at all. Mississippi case is the old fashioned Sov-Comm ( everybody should Wikipedia it) tactics that portray a state with little to no gangs but wannabes. We come across it many times and in which gangs grow in the low income section of the city and local government is either downplaying it or stating it doesn't exist ( just copycats/ misguided youth). Also from the law enforcement perspective too. The increase in violence changes their views afterwards and that's when they want to clamp down.

I always found it strange that Jackson HAD a gang unit around the 80s I think but was disbanded during the PEAK of Jackson's Crack era. Now certain other cities have gang units or similar units: Tupelo, Gulfport, Biloxi, Hattiesburg , Meridian ( literally just started a couple years ago), Greenville, & Clarksdale.


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BF,

I hear you and what you said makes sense, BUT law enforcement study stats, trends,etc....and more importantly they monitor what goes on in prisons.

I saw an HBO documentary in the mid 90s about Bloods and Crips in Arkansas. ARKANSAS!!! We watched it and laughed and swore that it would/could NEVER take root out here. But it did.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I always believe that people are responsible for their own actions(not because of some bogey man pulling strings) BUT it's hard for me to believe that law enforcement in East Coast, South and Mid-West were totally blindsided by the spread of west coast gangs to their regions and states.


I think it's their best interest sometimes to allow certain amount of crime, to get funding rather than being proactive to prevent it.

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this is part of that doc. Gang Wars Bangin in Little Rock


this clip shows gang that seems to be mix of Chicago and L.A. influences, Hoover Folk





this was aired in maybe 1995

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Gets,

Yes, I seen banging in Little Rock ( 1 & 2) and some misguided individuals ( Hoover Folks, smh). Mainly it goes back to an earlier discussion with Black families roots city to city. Little Rock have family back in L.A & Chicago. Bloods are and have been the largest group in the city since late 80s or early 90s. The L.R decided to claim their own cliques/neighborhoods but with C or B added to the title. Chi mobs are spread out and BD have a large presence on the Northside of the city. Met a Piru from there and he told how everything calm down and his clique is mix with Crips & GDs. So friendly that they don't mind calling each other diss names.

L.E will seek some kind of funding.


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Yes , there's heavy sentencing here especially in regards to Drug Trafficking, Robbery, & Child pornography. Gang affiliations are pointed or mentioned but they don't receive additional sentencing for any action/activity that supports the group.

@Gets
It wouldn't make much sense to put it on the book if there's none at all. Mississippi case is the old fashioned Sov-Comm ( everybody should Wikipedia it) tactics that portray a state with little to no gangs but wannabes. We come across it many times and in which gangs grow in the low income section of the city and local government is either downplaying it or stating it doesn't exist ( just copycats/ misguided youth). Also from the law enforcement perspective too. The increase in violence changes their views afterwards and that's when they want to clamp down.

I always found it strange that Jackson HAD a gang unit around the 80s I think but was disbanded during the PEAK of Jackson's Crack era. Now certain other cities have gang units or similar units: Tupelo, Gulfport, Biloxi, Hattiesburg , Meridian ( literally just started a couple years ago), Greenville, & Clarksdale.


I disagree. I don't think the bill is due to "homegrown" gangs, but there is a growing gang population that is due to gangs from the larger cities like Memphis spilling over into North Mississippi. Corinth (near where I live) for example has seen a rise in gang violence just in the past couple of years. Also a mostly white gang called Simon City is all over the place in MS. Mostly from incarcerated men who have been released back into society. People not in a gang shouldn't need to worry about this bill, people involved in a gang should be. That is the whole point of the bill. It's not backwoods racism. It's not the Mississippi Black Gang Bill, it is the Mississippi Gang Bill.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
The states without major gang activity should have put these laws on the books DECADES ago.


What should States or Cities do? Wait until they're over run with gang violence like Chicago, IL before they try to deal with it?

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Yates,

If you remember a post I made last year that showed the history of our state gang growth. Chicago mobs been in Mississippi since the start of the 80s and spread statewide. Some homegrown cliques are just a mixture of affiliations while others are not. No doubt that members from large cities travel to and from the suburbs or nearby counties.

Overall it depends on your local area if it plays a larger role or not.


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The states without major gang activity should have put these laws on the books DECADES ago.


What should States or Cities do? Wait until they're over run with gang violence like Chicago, IL before they try to deal with it?


Did you quote my comment by accident or arguing just for the sake of arguing?

I've said that states should have been proactive about the rise of gangs since it was documented since the mid 1990s.

Unless you disagree with that, why are you quoting me and then essentially agreeing?

If it's not an error, I just cooked up a batch of L's that I want to hand out.

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The states without major gang activity should have put these laws on the books DECADES ago.


What should States or Cities do? Wait until they're over run with gang violence like Chicago, IL before they try to deal with it?


Did you quote my comment by accident or arguing just for the sake of arguing?

I've said that states should have been proactive about the rise of gangs since it was documented since the mid 1990s.

Unless you disagree with that, why are you quoting me and then essentially agreeing?

If it's not an error, I just cooked up a batch of L's that I want to hand out.
Unless you were being sarcastic, I was actually agreeing with you. Also, states WITH major gang activities should have put these laws in the books DECADES ago also.

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Yates,

If you remember a post I made last year that showed the history of our state gang growth. Chicago mobs been in Mississippi since the start of the 80s and spread statewide. Some homegrown cliques are just a mixture of affiliations while others are not. No doubt that members from large cities travel to and from the suburbs or nearby counties.

Overall it depends on your local area if it plays a larger role or not.


I agree with your statement. Chicago and Memphis and Mississippi have been linked for a long time. And not just gangs either. Back in the day when work was scarce a lot of my family member moved to Chicago to find work. My grandfather and grandmother met in Chicago, my mother was born there in 59. Now it seems that a lot from Chicago are moving to Memphis and Mississippi to find work. A lot of people where I work are from Chicago and surrounding Illinois areas. I don't want to interject race in this conversation. When I say gangs I mean all gangs, including Simon City which is mostly a white gang and originated from Chicago. A lot of these dumb criminal junkie rednecks where I live are associated with the Simon City Royals. Bunch of weak idiots.

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I was curious on how many white Mississippians relocated to Chicago as well. I would imagine the C-Notes or another White mob under the 5 getting bigger here instead of the LKs for white inmates. Simon City Royals are just biggest group for whites right now and man are they here and there.
Matter of fact, There's a Royal tag in the Movie theater in Columbus and another in the bathroom at a gas station off 45 n Wikin Wise road.


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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
I was curious on how many white Mississippians relocated to Chicago as well. I would imagine the C-Notes or another White mob under the 5 getting bigger here instead of the LKs for white inmates. Simon City Royals are just biggest group for whites right now and man are they here and there.
Matter of fact, There's a Royal tag in the Movie theater in Columbus and another in the bathroom at a gas station off 45 n Wikin Wise road.


A lot of white Mississippians relocated to Chicago back in the day. Enough that they called the neighborhood where my grandparents lived "Little Mississippi". My grandmother said she used to look out here window at night and see the mobsters socializing into the wee morning hours. She said they lived on Roosevelt Road in Cicero. They left Chicago in 1960, but many kept going to Chicago for work well into the mid to late 70s.

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
I was curious on how many white Mississippians relocated to Chicago as well. I would imagine the C-Notes or another White mob under the 5 getting bigger here instead of the LKs for white inmates. Simon City Royals are just biggest group for whites right now and man are they here and there.
Matter of fact, There's a Royal tag in the Movie theater in Columbus and another in the bathroom at a gas station off 45 n Wikin Wise road.


The growth of traditionally white Chicago mobs in the south aren't from whites moving south in my opinion. It's 100% on the explosion of meth. Pre-meth, the predominate white groups in southeastern prisons where ABs and they never had great numbers. Meth did to rural whites what crack did to urban blacks. As the white prison population exploded, these guys had 2 options: be in a hate group or option b. Easy to see what happened. The LK thing is a response to the growth of royals. They have very little presense and can't operate freely. They are subservant to VLs, 4CHs, stones, etc... Further, I cannot imagine a white LK from the southeast being accepted in Chi, NY, etc... I could be wrong on that though.

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I could convur with that view. Either a white supremacists oriented group or general criminal ties network. I think the white LKs in the Sipp would be easily accepted as long there's official voucher. You see whites in Chicago & NY LK chapters/tribes.


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It dies in Round 2! I wonder about a third try.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/...again/97291536/


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@Yates,

I apologize for misinterpreting your post.


@BF,

You live in the state. Do you buy the arguments presented by the people against the bill?

On the one hand,I can see how cops could use it as a wide net to just arrest people randomly. That is one of the arguments against cops in general....that they use poor or biased judgement when doing their jobs and interpreting the law.

On the other hand, if applied correctly, people without valid gang affiliation would be exempt from being swept up by these gang sweeps. I think it could help end a lot of the false flagging that goes on.

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No. I could see that a person involved in associating with gangs to facilitate thier activities being mistaken for one. Generally the politics are trying to avoid anymore cases of ethnic profiling like in the States with major gang issues. One mistake could lead to an overblown national sensation.

On the other hand, it's quite late to introduce this bill since the overall peak of gang crimes was between the late 80s- mid 90s. Currently speaking it boils down to specific regions of the state that deal with moderate to heavy gang activity ( Delta, Gulf Coast, Meridian, Hattiesburg area). Gangs in the state overall vary by location in terms of activities and structure plus they more or less operate like cliques now.

Think about this Gets, How many Rico cases/Operations on gangs I have posted from my State? Few.


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I think there are some unintended consequences here. If LE could make bigger cases i.e. bigger bails i.e. more money, I could see them wrongfully classifying men and women as affiliated. If they start really inspecting tattoos, how many people have 5-point stars? Are they all VLs, stones, LKs, etc? What about white guys with clovers? All ABs? Got a buddy who just got a nautical tattoo that has a trident. Guess he's a scr. You see where I'm going. Anything that could potentially monetarily incentivize police, I'm not for because it leads to sloppy and wreckless police work.

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Oh i forgot to update this. It died again for the 3rd time. Stay tune, 2018 is batting for a 4th try.


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The state have a Senate bill on gangs circulating now and information from the Mississippi Gang Threat Assessment: http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2018/feb/15/gang-bill-could-increase-prison-costs-disparately-/


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http://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article203002854.html

Gang activity ‘has increased alarmingly’ in South Mississippi. Here’s where it’s happening.

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Originally Posted by Ciment
http://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article203002854.html

Gang activity ‘has increased alarmingly’ in South Mississippi. Here’s where it’s happening.


That article has a couple ridiculous claims. One, the scr’s aren’t a white supremacy group. That’s laughably bullshit. Second, it claims GDs and BGDs are 2 separate groups when essentially they are the same organization. I’ll put it this way, if any young guys go into the prison system claiming the duece, they’ll be told to drop it unless they are an OG grandfathered in. And they’ll still be under the GD flag. They won’t be a separate group. One thing that I take from that article to be accurate is that area must be pretty wild.

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What type of vice lords do they have in mississippi?



Does anybody realize GD stands for "growth and development" anymore

Hell most gd's in chicago dont know that

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Originally Posted by Kash
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http://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article203002854.html

Gang activity ‘has increased alarmingly’ in South Mississippi. Here’s where it’s happening.


That article has a couple ridiculous claims. One, the scr’s aren’t a white supremacy group. That’s laughably bullshit. Second, it claims GDs and BGDs are 2 separate groups when essentially they are the same organization. I’ll put it this way, if any young guys go into the prison system claiming the duece, they’ll be told to drop it unless they are an OG grandfathered in. And they’ll still be under the GD flag. They won’t be a separate group. One thing that I take from that article to be accurate is that area must be pretty wild.


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Precisely, I don't understand why the LE in my state continue do that with the GDs. Not the SCRs but that brotherhood group. If a Insane Duece gets locked up here then they are going be a Duece or if they dropped then it's Royal they be.
Gulf Coast seems to be the SCR hotbed.


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What type of vice lords do they have in mississippi?



Does anybody realize GD stands for "growth and development" anymore

Hell most gd's in chicago dont know that


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VLN: IVL, IIVL, MIVL, CVL, UVL, TVL, & 4CH. The largest branches is the 9s, 64s, Fluids, & 4s.

Yes. Check out Hattiesburg BOS.


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