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Trump Warns Rahm Emanuel Over Chicago Violence #903739
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President-elect Donald Trump said Monday that if Mayor Rahm Emanuel can’t turn the tide on Chicago's soaring murder rate, Washington may need to step in.

Trump, who frequently cited Chicago’s violence during the presidential campaign, tweeted about The Windy City a day after the Chicago Police Department released year-end crime stats showing homicide numbers that dwarfed those of New York and Los Angeles combined.

“Chicago murder rate is record setting - 4,331 shooting victims with 762 murders in 2016. If Mayor can't do it he must ask for Federal help!” Trump tweeted.

Most of the Chicago statistics were grim, showing the nation’s third-largest city recorded 1,100 more shooting incidents than in 2015 and had homicides spike by 278 – the largest increase in 60 years.

Trump and Emanuel broached the topic of Chicago’s surging violence during a Dec. 7 sit-down. While Emanuel later told reporters most of the meeting focused on immigration, infrastructure and education, he also acknowledged the two had “talked about public safety.”

A spokesman for Emanuel released a statement Sunday, obtained by The Chicago Tribune, that alluded to the December meeting, but did not directly address Trump’s call for possible federal intervention.

“As the president-elect knows from his conversation with the mayor, we agree the federal government has a strong role to play in public safety by funding summer jobs and prevention programming for at-risk youth, by holding the criminals who break our gun laws accountable for their crimes, by passing meaningful gun laws, and by building on the partnerships our police have with federal law enforcement,” the statement from Adam Collins said. “We are heartened he is taking this issue seriously and look forward to working with the new administration on these important efforts.”

Sunday’s tweet wasn’t the first time Trump has taken a public swipe at Emanuel’s handling of the violence epidemic. During an August interview with Fox News' Bill O’Reilly on “The O’Reilly Factor", Trump said Chicago's crime problem couldn’t be solved “because they don’t have the right people in charge.”

“When I was in Chicago, I got to meet a couple of very tough police,” Trump said. “I said, ‘How do you stop this? How do you stop this? If you were put in charge to a specific person, do you think you could stop this?’ He said, ‘Mr. Trump I would be able to stop it in one week,’ and I believed him 100 percent.”

On the campaign trail, Trump also backed the use of the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic, saying “Chicago needs” it.

“But they asked me about Chicago and I think stop-and-frisk with good strong, you know, good strong law and order,” Trump said during a September event. “But you have to do something. It can’t continue the way it’s going.”

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I'm not political but fuck stop and frisk

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Chicago needs Marshall law to be strongly enforced


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time for stop and frisk and the national guard for these animals

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seems as though Chicago's murder rate is really out of control, gone on way too long, one reason may be that cons getting early release from prisons. the cons that get out go right back to what they did before,the numbers of repeat offenders In Chicago is astounding, some answers may be unconstitutional like stop and frisk, but, what else can you do? if you want to stop the killing.



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I can only imagine Trump's national guard increasing the killing, not stopping it.


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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
seems as though Chicago's murder rate is really out of control, gone on way too long, one reason may be that cons getting early release from prisons. the cons that get out go right back to what they did before,the numbers of repeat offenders In Chicago is astounding, some answers may be unconstitutional like stop and frisk, but, what else can you do? if you want to stop the killing.

Chicago's murder numbers were higher in the 1990's. This isn't a new epidemic and the only reason it's brought up consistently in the national media is so people can use it to make political statements.

As for guys getting out of the can early being the cause, guys have been getting out and going to jail every day forever, there's no sudden huge influx of ex-cons headed only to Chicago. Most of the shootings being done out there are by guys 25 and under who have likely never done a long stretch if any time at all.

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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Chicago needs Marshall law to be strongly enforced


Marshall law sounds like a good idea. Martial law however, would be terrible.


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there is a big difference between murder in the 90s and murders in 2k10s

i can gurantee u that no more than 70 out of the 740 murders were ordered or organized crime related

just drug babies on drugs killing people

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Originally Posted By: helenwheels
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Chicago needs Marshall law to be strongly enforced


Marshall law sounds like a good idea. Martial law however, would be terrible.


Is Marshall Law where you never pay full price?


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
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Chicago needs Marshall law to be strongly enforced


Marshall law sounds like a good idea. Martial law however, would be terrible.


Is Marshall Law where you never pay full price?


And they let you pay in installments, on the Marshall Plan. Its quite popular in Europe.

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I lived there briefly, I'm not sure Chicago can be fixed.

Love the Marshall plan sarcasm🙂 Couldn't agree more

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The violence was more intense when I was growing up. But controlled, and somewhat confined to the gangs.

This shit today is mostly nonsense. They could use a Larry Hoover or a Chuck Dorsey to keep a lid on these guys...

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Originally Posted By: alicecooper
I lived there briefly, I'm not sure Chicago can be fixed.

Love the Marshall plan sarcasm🙂 Couldn't agree more


Im kicking myself for not making a Marshall Field's joke wink


All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.


I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?



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Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
The violence was more intense when I was growing up. But controlled, and somewhat confined to the gangs.

This shit today is mostly nonsense. They could use a Larry Hoover or a Chuck Dorsey to keep a lid on these guys...


Yep. They take the OGs off the streets and wonder why the young Gs are going wild. There used to be a few rules out there.


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would legalizing drugs be somewhat of an answer?



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Chicago been hitting over 200+ since the Prohibition era and only went through the roof since. What have politics done within the last 90 years to get it down to the 200s?


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If there is a single action that could do the most that would be it. But even then...

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Quick question,

If NYC was able to get its 1,000+ murder rates in the 70's and 80's under control to about 200 at most today. Why can't Chicago?

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NYC finished the year with around 330 murders. Still great for the size but not quite '200 at most'. I would say a driving factor is gentrification. In New York, it's rapid citywide and even beginning to reach the Bronx.

In Chicago, outside of a few neighborhoods it's not happening at all. There are still huge stretches of neighborhoods in the West and South sides with very little economic development, full of abandoned buildings. Just like in NYC back in the day, it's an environment that breeds social ills. Little economy outside the illegal, subpar schools, etc.

Of course I'm not trying to say that that's the only factor, just a significant one.

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Originally Posted By: MrWilliams
Quick question,

If NYC was able to get its 1,000+ murder rates in the 70's and 80's under control to about 200 at most today. Why can't Chicago?


Didn't crime in Jersey, Camden, Baltimore, etc get worse as NY got better? That could be one clue. Even Jay Z and Biggie rapped about moving from Brooklyn down to B'more, VA, etc to sling dope. Chicago just hasn't gone though that heavy gentrification like NY yet. This is probably why violence in Chicago is making so much news. Real estate vultures probably lining up in the south side to buy low and sell high.


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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
would legalizing drugs be somewhat of an answer?


Would definitely get the cartels out of the mix. Since the U.S. is the world's biggest drug consumer, legalization, and effectively ending the black market for drugs, could have positive effects worldwide.


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To be exact with NYC tallies , 1979-1995 for 16 years it reach and maintain over 1,000+. Chicago could implement a combined strategy of both L.A & NYC to lower their tally.


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I'll say a Jack Bobo or Mickey Cogwell leader type. Are there any map of the homicides in the city from the 90s?


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trumps a pimp, I hope he puts his foot down with these American companies who are manufacturing overseas. if ivanka is first lady, do u think donald would request fellatio from her?

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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
seems as though Chicago's murder rate is really out of control, gone on way too long, one reason may be that cons getting early release from prisons. the cons that get out go right back to what they did before,the numbers of repeat offenders In Chicago is astounding, some answers may be unconstitutional like stop and frisk, but, what else can you do? if you want to stop the killing.


look at all the shootings and murders and the large percentage are inner city black thugs. I could solve the problem as well. go to the projects all over the city and the south side with napalm and wipe out the leeches. I come from Steubenville originally and my granddaddy used to chop their fingers off when they got out of line. today, it's a cesspool of white trash and low life black thugs. steubenville needs bombed and rebuilt from ground up. a city like Chicago needs thier cops to start cracking some fucking heads and shooting to kill. the second those degenerates got civil rights was the day JFK handed the world over to them. And now, they get jobs because their skin is dark. and their still fucking complaining they need more. sink or swim and until the us gov stops supporting these degenerates with welfare and free insurance it's gonna continue snowballing

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another option to stop it is by public torture. take one of the thugs who have shot an innocent person and on international tv, we should spend about 10 hours performing anus penetration with blunt force. after some foreplay in front of an international audience, zoom in with the camera to record the look on their face as they are burned alive . and as the credits roll we explain that committing murder and attempted murder in our country results in drastic measures

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Originally Posted By: alicecooper
fuck stop and frisk

+1

Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
would legalizing drugs be somewhat of an answer?


Personally I think it could help


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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
To be exact with NYC tallies , 1979-1995 for 16 years it reach and maintain over 1,000+. Chicago could implement a combined strategy of both L.A & NYC to lower their tally.


I'm very familiar with what NYC did to lower crime but what did LA do?

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