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Chance encounters with wiseguys? #902880
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I live in NYC Manhattan for many years during the 70s-80s in the area NoHo so I hung around Little Italy, Lower East Side, Greenwich Village.
I used to walk bu the Ravenite daily but did not really know it was there but there was always wiseguys on the block because their was another social club around the corner on Spring Street also at Mott and Broome there was the Latineers Social Club. in about 1983 or 84 my girlfriend was across the street from Ravenite shopping in a Batik store so I go out front to smoke a cig, Im standing there and there is an ancient goodfella staring at the corner just staring and there is another dude like an Irishman standing next to me and from across the street comes a good looking husky Guido and he starts talkin to the Irish guy I caught a word by accident here and there , so the Guido leaves and the Irishman stays and the Guido comes back to talk to Irish again, well the Guido was John Gotti, he was running messages from Uncle Neil in the Ravenite.
I saw Gotti a bunch of times around the city before and after his infamy, Little Italy was thick with goodfellas back in the day.
Im gonna shut up but I would love tto hear anyone's stories.

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I think the only mobster I ever saw in person was Anthony Scotto at his daughter's restaurant around 2001-2005. He was apparently shelved by that time anyway.

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Did you ask the handsome husky guido for a date?

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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Did you ask the handsome husky guido for a date?

I am no finnuch but know an invitation for an ass kicking. Hey Gotti was the dapper Don, I remember what he was wearing on that specific occasion and it was a polo or a La Coste windbreaker but a loud color. Behind his back his friends called him 'Cump' due to his proclivity for sometimes loud clothing.

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I didn't really know him, and didn't know at the time that he was connected, but I used to see Frank Langano in the diner he later got killed outside of. I remember thinking that he was a sharp dresser kind of like John Gotti, but thought nothing of it. I thought he was just another Italian American gentleman that moved down from the city. (That should have been a clue, most owners/managers of diners in NJ are Greek, not Italian) He seemed like a very normal guy. Apparently he was managing the place himself, he used to work the cash register and everything. Whatever his crimes, he did seem to work hard at legitimate business.

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Originally Posted By: baldo
I think the only mobster I ever saw in person was Anthony Scotto at his daughter's restaurant around 2001-2005. He was apparently shelved by that time anyway.


I understand he was powerful at one time with the longshoremen, pulled a lot of weight, was he related to the anastatia family?



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His wife is Albert Anastasia's niece.

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Originally Posted By: Fleming_Ave
I didn't really know him, and didn't know at the time that he was connected, but I used to see Frank Langano in the diner he later got killed outside of. I remember thinking that he was a sharp dresser kind of like John Gotti, but thought nothing of it. I thought he was just another Italian American gentleman that moved down from the city. (That should have been a clue, most owners/managers of diners in NJ are Greek, not Italian) He seemed like a very normal guy. Apparently he was managing the place himself, he used to work the cash register and everything. Whatever his crimes, he did seem to work hard at legitimate business.


Wait a second, a diner in Jersey not owned by Greeks!?! Now that's shocking and unique....

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Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Wait a second, a diner in Jersey not owned by Greeks!?! Now that's shocking and unique....


I believe he was a part owner. The the other owners must have owed him money or something? Or maybe he bought in to the business to have a front?

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Originally Posted By: UncleVig
I live in NYC Manhattan for many years during the 70s-80s in the area NoHo so I hung around Little Italy, Lower East Side, Greenwich Village.
I used to walk bu the Ravenite daily but did not really know it was there but there was always wiseguys on the block because their was another social club around the corner on Spring Street also at Mott and Broome there was the Latineers Social Club. in about 1983 or 84 my girlfriend was across the street from Ravenite shopping in a Batik store so I go out front to smoke a cig, Im standing there and there is an ancient goodfella staring at the corner just staring and there is another dude like an Irishman standing next to me and from across the street comes a good looking husky Guido and he starts talkin to the Irish guy I caught a word by accident here and there , so the Guido leaves and the Irishman stays and the Guido comes back to talk to Irish again, well the Guido was John Gotti, he was running messages from Uncle Neil in the Ravenite.
I saw Gotti a bunch of times around the city before and after his infamy, Little Italy was thick with goodfellas back in the day.
Im gonna shut up but I would love tto hear anyone's stories.


Sure it wasn't this guy?



I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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lol.... I think that guy is from a clubhouse in the west Village. When they give orders to whack it takes on a whole new meaning.

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lol.... I think that guy is from a clubhouse in the west Village. When they give orders to whack it takes on a whole new meaning.

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I mentioned once before that I played a party in Gotti's honor at the Roselli building on US1 in FT. Lauderdale Fl. This had to be around 1985-6. For the record I had no interaction with him at all. I just watched him and his pals eat and drink. And yes, they were nice enough to let us eat too. We also did really good on tips that night.

My Father was Ettore "Terry" Zappi's personal air conditioning mechanic for years. He worked on all of the AC units at Terry's houses plus he did work on Terry yacht which he kept docked at "Le Club International".

Terry also ran all the Bobby Rubinos rib joints for the Gambino family. His grandsons Tony and Frank Galgano handled the day to day operations. My Father did all the AC work for them too, plus the ice machines, walk in freezers etc...

They treated my Dad like a king. Always tipping him extra for last minute calls and sending him home with slabs and slabs of rib's

Over the years working in night clubs I've run into others that you would know but they are not worth mentioning because at most it was just a handshake or a "the music sounds great kid" kind of thing.

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I was in a club in Hollywood fl that was always known as a place for gamblers to hang out and my Grampa worked there making sandwiches it was called Hemingways. One night Im in there and there is a couple tables full of New York Guidos but the cops came in FBI and local to arrest a dude at one of the tables that guy was Bruno Indelicato I guess he was in the wind from being a codefendent at the 5 families trial in lower manhattan. They had found his palm print on the hood of the Torino used in the Galante job.

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Hey Uncle Vig!

One of the very first places I ever worked was Hemmingways. I started working there in 1980 and there were lines out the door every weekend. Big "Tino" was the doorman.

Boy was that a "hangout". The place was always crawling with gangsters in the 1980's. There were also what we used to call "half a wiseguy's", you know, wannabees with the white tie and black suit and the pinky rings who talked all kinds of shit but were connected to nobody. Just bullshit artists.

Its been my experience that the really heavy guys didn't swagger quite so much.

The owner was a crazy Russian guy named George Young. Every night when I'd walk in he'd say hello to me between long snorts. This guy was doing so much coke he couldn't say three words without his brains falling out of his nostrills.

The place was a hot spot for years, until it finally closed sometime in the mid 90's.

Funny story......My uncle was a carpenter and he did some re modeling when it became a gay place called "ManKind".

He told me that the new owners wanted some walls taken out upstairs where the office was. When they started chopping into the walls they found bags of this sticky yellow stuff. And off duty cop told them it was bags of coke that were probably hidden in those walls 10 or 15 years ago. The Florida humidity just got to them and ruined all of it.

Hollywood was a swinging place back then. Loaded with late night clubs and lots of gangsters during the winter months.....

Thanks for bringing up good old Hemminways.

Sal

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There's a very popular place here in present day New Jersey in Seaside Heights called Hemmingways, owned by Jimmy Sinatra Craparotta's son....

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Not a made guy but a semi legend in new england howie winter use to see him a sams club by my house. And a old made westside guy carlo at a deli driving by.

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Hemmingways was a night club called Temptations since the late 70's, very early 80's and owned by an italian guy names Eugene up until late 90's or early 2000 when he sold to the current owner.
I was at Temps a lot back in the day and you would of been hard pressed to see hotter girls than the one's at temps.
I eat at hemmingways and they have decent food.

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Not wiseguys but I was locked up with David "Super Dave" Warner years back. I got on laundry detail and interacted with him some since I could move around and communicate with everyone. Seemed like a nice guy who was intelligent. For those who don't know who he is, he was once a huge kingpin

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Originally Posted By: salvi62
Hey Uncle Vig!

One of the very first places I ever worked was Hemmingways. I started working there in 1980 and there were lines out the door every weekend. Big "Tino" was the doorman.

Boy was that a "hangout". The place was always crawling with gangsters in the 1980's. There were also what we used to call "half a wiseguy's", you know, wannabees with the white tie and black suit and the pinky rings who talked all kinds of shit but were connected to nobody. Just bullshit artists.

Its been my experience that the really heavy guys didn't swagger quite so much.

The owner was a crazy Russian guy named George Young. Every night when I'd walk in he'd say hello to me between long snorts. This guy was doing so much coke he couldn't say three words without his brains falling out of his nostrills.

The place was a hot spot for years, until it finally closed sometime in the mid 90's.

Funny story......My uncle was a carpenter and he did some re modeling when it became a gay place called "ManKind".

He told me that the new owners wanted some walls taken out upstairs where the office was. When they started chopping into the walls they found bags of this sticky yellow stuff. And off duty cop told them it was bags of coke that were probably hidden in those walls 10 or 15 years ago. The Florida humidity just got to them and ruined all of it.

Hollywood was a swinging place back then. Loaded with late night clubs and lots of gangsters during the winter months.....

Thanks for bringing up good old Hemminways.

Sal


Ill be Damned! Ya my Grampa when he retired made sandwiches there his name was Al Ross, it was Rossi or Rossilini at Ellis Island he was an old school gambler, half ass connected because of his own gambling habit so he ran card games, dice etc. It was through him that I met David Szyperski who became my best friend. Who the fuck was that? that was Jake Lanskys Grandson brother of Meyer Lansky. They owned the Diplomat. I never met Meyer but I knew Jake and his beautiful elegant wife Ann Lansky.
I digress.. Ya in the Winter time the whole mob was down in Miami/ Ft. Lauderdale I remember working on a boat to do a repair at pier #66 Marina and the boat at the next slip was 'Usual Suspects' Nicky Scarfos Boat. They were all in Pier 66 drinking but left a Goombah on the boat at all times to prevent bugs, or bombs I guess. They were not a friendly bunch, They gave me the stinkeye just for being near them doing my job.

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Hey Vig,

Cool shit, I remember Pier 66 well. I worked there for awhile with the "Wally Hankin Quartet". The top floor revolved was it 66 times an hour or 66 times a day???

Not to be an asshole but I spent years working at the Diplomat "the Dip" we used to call it. Played in the Cafe Crystal for many big names back then. Burt Bacharach, Dolly Parton, Steve and Edie, Danny Thomas and many more that mean nothing unless you are over 60 (I'm 54).

Also worked in the Tack Room which was another big wiseguy hangout.

But I do know for a fact that Irving Cowan (Cohen) owned the Diplomat. I think that Lanksy had a big share of the old Singapore Hotel around 90th street and Collins ave.

Meyer used to walk his little yorkie every day up and down Collins Ave. He also liked to eat at Wolfies on 21st street.

His crippled son Buddy was the night manager of the singapore for many years.

By the 1980's most all the action had moved north to what is now called Aventura, Halendale and Hollywood.

There are still a few places mostly in Boca to spot some guys but theres really not much left of the golden era of pinky rings and Halston Z14.....

Just a bunch of stupid college kids who wouldn't know real entertainment if you hit them over the head with it.

Sal

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Saw johnny Chang walking his little dog a few years ago around Hartranft and 20th. It was a little tiny lap dog, which if you didn't know of change reputation, might have made him look as harmless as can be

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When we were sneaking into Philly bars in the 1990s you could see Joey Merlino and his crew all the time in certain spots--in Old City, you'd see them at The Continental, or at The Five Spot, which had swing dancing when that became huge, and then later became more of a hip hop spot before it "burned down accidentally." The local weekly used to have a MobWatch page where they'd profile these guys, and then you'd see them drinking it up down the bar from you a week later, it was fun.

The Five Spot had been Ralph Natale's hangout, and Phil Testa's before him, when it was called Virgilio's.

Merlino was a short, slight guy, and George Borgesi was a fire hydrant, but some of the others--Stevie Mazzone, Marty Angelina--were big guys, and big partiers.

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Thats pretty cool to hear that there was a club with swing music called "The Five Spot" in Philly.

Back in the 1960's and early 70's there was a Five Spot in NY. I have never been there but it was one of the most famous jazz clubs in history, with many "live" albums recorded there.

Just curious, where is Joey Merlino now? When he first got out he could be spotted all over Boca Raton. Then he opened his own place. I think its closed but I'm not sure, I haven't been by there in well over a year.

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Closest is a CT wiseguys daughter. Won't say names, she's not connected, obviously. Friend of mine was scared after hooking up with her once he found out who she was. He was a little dramatic about it, to say the least.

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I'm a Jersey guy and I work in the city (Manhattan) but at a certain period in my life I was dating a South Philly Italian girl. I've seen my fair share of the Jersey crew Luchesse's, I ran into Andrew Merola at a Pizzeria once , and have seen a ton of DeCavalcantes where I come from in Jersey.

However, The Philly guys are something else! They're like a traveling circus party and I used to see them out all the time in South Philly and Margate when I was dating this girl. It's hard to explain to outsiders and I'm an outsider but they're like the popular kids in HS who show up to the parties and then the party is instantly cool. Plus everyone gossips about everyone's business there. Even when this girl was bringing me around the South Philly locals kept saying that I was an undercover cop! South Philly is a very insular community and everyone is related or Knows each other . I used to see all the Philly guys who were out at the time: Marty Angelina was a complete nasty fall down drunk, Uncle Joe was extremely polite, I saw Stevie Mazzone and Phil Ligambi once heading into a Borgata suite in AC together wearing those ghetto Powder Blue Colored Yankees hats (WTF?!?), I saw Phil Narducci at The Greenhouse in Margate once right when he first got out, I saw Johnny Chang at Chickies and Pete's, my favorite is at Quattro in South Philly I once saw Sonny Mazzone throw a stink bomb/smokebomb into the packed men's room there and run away giggling !! HAHAHA That was funny...

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Salvi,
No Na you aren't being an ass,, I was incorrect thanks for catching that. Jakes grandson worked at the diplomat and of course his family had connections with the diplomat. You are correct Meyer owned secretly I think the Singapore and others.
I used to drive Jake Lanskys widow Anna to another old widows home on Sundays to visit a woman named Kovolick, her husband was known as 'Phil the Stick' he ended upa trunk job I believe.
Here is another old place you remember.
Joe Sonkens Gold Coast in A1A. [img:center]http://[/img]
and a Wikipedia link I just found on Phil the Stick. I wish to God I could have had the deftness to ask these people more questions on Mob history. Even the old ladies pretended that there was no mob, old school standups who watched and were part of the formation of the modern day Cosa Nostra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Kovolick

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Originally Posted By: Belmont
Hemmingways was a night club called Temptations since the late 70's, very early 80's and owned by an italian guy names Eugene up until late 90's or early 2000 when he sold to the current owner.
I was at Temps a lot back in the day and you would of been hard pressed to see hotter girls than the one's at temps.
I eat at hemmingways and they have decent food.


Are you talking about the place in Florida? I don't remember a place called temptations but thanagainnames change and I don't keep up.

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