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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #941448
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Havent heard from Loscalzo in a while. Ive figured out that he was only an expert on attacking people with different views on Buffalo than him and no other family. I hope all is well with him though and that he can contribute something relevant to other threads other than one he has no other info on other than articles hes read.


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Originally Posted by The_Rooster
Havent heard from Loscalzo in a while. Ive figured out that he was only an expert on attacking people with different views on Buffalo than him and no other family. I hope all is well with him though and that he can contribute something relevant to other threads other than one he has no other info on other than articles hes read.


He has been strangely absent, and doesn’t post much on other threads. But I can’t fault him for that, cause I don’t either. I’ll read the others, but don’t really know enough about the other families to make much of a contribution.

Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942649
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Just got a fairly new book called Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizuuto's Last War by the Toronto area crime writer and mob expert Peter Edwards. It has some good background information on Paolo Violi's relationship with Buffalo Don Maggadino and their complicated relationships with the Bonannos, Contronis, and Rizzutos. It, also, highlights Paolo's activity in the drug trade to which his sons (Giuseppe "Joe" and Dominick) later got involved. The Violi brothers were arrested for drug trafficking the Canadian Otremens operation in November 2017. It, also, indicates the extent to which Buffalo was involved with and controlled what happened in Canada especially Toronto, but including Montreal. It says Magaddino considered Montreal "his house." This is good book. I highly recommend it. Here is part of a chapter that highlights Violi:

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The murder of Nick Jr. got people talking again about Nicolò Rizzuto's private war two generations earlier with Paolo Violi.

Nicolò and Violi had been rivals in the old décina of Vic (The Egg) Cotroni, back when Vic the Egg was the Canadian branch plant manager for the Bonanno family of New York. Nicolò could barely stomach being under Vic Cotroni in the Montreal mob pecking order, and when Cotroni promoted his fellow Calabrian Violi above Rizzuto, Nicolò responded with a haughty grandeur. The prospect of being under two Calabrians was too much to countenance. He didn’t just disobey Violi; he refused even to acknowledge his existence. Tensions were so high between Paolo Violi and Nicolò that Giuseppe Settecasi, head of the Agrigento crime family, travelled to Montreal in 1972 to mediate, with no success.

Later that year, when Violi could stand Nicolò’s insolence no longer, he asked the Bonannos for permission to kill him. The Bonannos initially balked, then relented. Wise to the conversation happening behind his back, Nicolò slipped away to Venezuela, where he could bide his time and extend his contacts.

Like many bitter enemies, Nicolò and Violi had much in common. Violi had also married into power. His father-in-law was Giacomo (Jack) Luppino of Hamilton, an ’Ndrangheta boss and lieutenant of Stefano (The Undertaker) Magaddino of Buffalo. Luppino was said to carry the leathery ear of a rival in his wallet, like a treasure that could never be deposited in a bank. In November 1967, police listened in on Luppino through microphones hidden among his tomato plants and elsewhere around his red brick house on Ottawa Street North in east end Hamilton. They heard him explain how horrible things should be done to a man who was disloyal to his wife. Paolo Violi shared his father-in-law’s rigid sense of morality. That kind of talk was never heard from Vito or his father when police listened in on their conversations, even though Nicolò was of a similar if less punishing mind about marital infidelity.

Police also overheard Luppino talking about a wedding in New York at which he’d crossed paths with his boss, Stefano Magaddino. The highlight of Luppino’s evening came when Magaddino deigned to spend twenty minutes with him.

Magaddino was in an angry mood that evening. He complained that he had also invited Paolo Violi and Vic Cotroni to the wedding, but neither of them showed up. Violi had a credible excuse, as he explained that he was always under police surveillance and he didn’t want to bring that heat to New York. That was a permissible, even courteous response. But Cotroni? Vic the Egg had said only that he was too busy, as he had matters before the court. Such insolence rendered Magaddino livid, or, in the words of Luppino, he “turned mad like a beast.”

Magaddino said Violi and Cotroni had a choice: they could side with his cousin Giuseppe (Joe) Bonanno of New York City or with himself. They couldn’t be loyal to both. Bonanno and Magaddino might be related, but they couldn’t stand each other. Magaddino’s anger peaked as he told Luppino about a November 1966 meeting in Montreal between Bonanno’s son Salvatore (Bill) and Cotroni. Cotroni didn’t bother to tell Magaddino before attending the meeting, which also included half a dozen men from the New York Mafia. Magaddino heard that Bill Bonanno told Cotroni at the meeting that Montreal belonged to his father, Joe Bonanno. Vic the Egg’s response? He just sheepishly listened to Bonanno’s arrogance.

It was bad enough that Bonanno would say something so stupid, but for Cotroni to say nothing in Magaddino’s defence was unacceptable. How could Magaddino remain calm when he heard of such a slur? And why hadn’t Cotroni told him beforehand about the meeting? Had Bonanno and the visiting New Yorkers not been arrested shortly afterwards, Magaddino could have started a small war over the slight. In Don Stefano’s eyes, Montreal was his territory and Cotroni commited nothing less than an act of treason by meeting with the Americans there without his permission. How he came to the conclusion that Quebec was his turf was anyone’s guess, but he considered this to be an absolute truth. And in his mind, he must know anything of significance that happened there. As Luppino recalled his words: “I don’t care what others do, all I want to know is what is done in my house.”

To rectify the damage Cotroni had done, Magaddino wanted Luppino to move to Montreal to assert control on the Buffalo boss’s behalf. However, Luppino preferred life in Hamilton, amidst his tomato plants. Ambitious people had a way of getting shot in Montreal, and Luppino had a good life in the Ontario steel town, with his family, his respect and his tomatoes. As Luppino put his refusal, “Stefano Magaddino is the biggest man in the world, but not even he can lead me by the arm and tell me what to do.”

Nicolò realized that his rival Paolo Violi had connections to more than just Luppino and Magaddino. Violi’s reach also stretched back to the emerging ’Ndrangheta in his native Calabria, including the heroin and cocaine trafficker Saverio (The Playboy) Mammoliti of Castellace di Oppido Mamertina in the province of Reggio Calabria, the ’Ndrangheta heartland. Mammoliti was best known for his role in the 1973 kidnapping of sixteen-year-old John Paul Getty III, bohemian grandson of oil tycoon Jean Paul Getty, the world’s richest man. Even the mobsters must have been startled by the coldness of Getty Sr.’s initial response, when he refused to cough up a cent: “If I pay one penny now, I’ll have fourteen kidnapped grandchildren.” Eventually, the old man grudgingly agreed to a payment. Some of the estimated $2.2 million in ransom money, paid after the youth’s ear was hacked off, was tracked down by police in an investigation that led them to Montreal streets.

Paolo Violi cultivated the image of an old-school boss, the kind of mobster who stayed out of the nasty emerging business of drugs. Word on the street suggested he was actually elbow deep in it. When two American undercover drug agents of Italian descent told Mammoliti in 1973 they wanted to make a major drug deal, they were instructed that if they wanted heroin, they needed to get in touch with “his friend Paolo Violi” in Canada…

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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942653
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BUFFALO CRIME FAMILY APPARENTLY REVIVING ITSELF AS LATE AS 2012/2013 ACCORDING TO TORONTO OC EXPERT PETER EDWARDS

I took a break from directly asserting that the Buffalo Crime Family was organized and active. Now, I've come across more evidence that they are. In a book by mob expert and Toronto area crime reporter for The Star called Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizuuto's Last War, Peter Edwards states: The old Magaddino family of Buffalo was attempting a revival through loansharking at Casino Niagara on the American border. This is in a chapter 40 titled "Nonstop Hits" that relates to the Calabrians, Rizutto, and a party in the Vaughn area that was held for those involved with the Platinum Sports Book in January of 2013 (See Kindle Location 3453). The following is the last paragraph of this chapter and summarizes that chapter thusly:

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At the time of the Platinum SB party, the Bonanno family’s credibility hung at a historic low, never having recovered from the defection of its former boss Joe Massino. The family’s failure to avenge the murder of Salvatore Montagna had called particular attention to their weakness. In Ontario, the New York City crime families with the most influence now were the Luccheses and Gambinos, and to a lesser extent the Genoveses. The old Magaddino family of Buffalo was attempting a revival through loansharking at Casino Niagara on the American border. This revived La Cosa Nostra was more loosely structured now, and more of a network than a tight organization. Contacts, expertise and experience were shared across organizational lines, for mutual benefit. These weren’t particularly friendly waters for Vito, but he had navigated far worse.

{Source: Edwards, Peter. Business or Blood: Mafia Boss Vito Rizzuto's Last War (Kindle Locations 3480-3486). Random House of Canada. Kindle Edition.}

To me it appears the Canadian reporters/newspapers know things we don't know or haven't paid attention to. In my opinion, this is why they keep making the connection between the Otremens Arrests and Buffalo/Todaro Crime Family. I think they want people to know that there is more here than meets the eye. Again, this does not prove anything, but it is the most compelling evidence to date that the Buffalo Crime family is organized and attempting a revival--if, it hasn't already done so!

Additionally, one can make a good connection to what is going on in Canada and Benjamin "Sonny" Nicoletti and Frank "Butchie" BiFulco. Nicoletti was alleged to be Buffalo's boss before his death in 2012. Then Frank "Butchie" Bifulco allegedly took over. They both worked closely with the Paplias, Luppinos, and Violi's in the late 90's and early 2000's according to a leaked RCMP document. (See my previous post with photo of this document on this thread.)

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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942659
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Good stuff Nickle. I referenced the new casinos actually helping Buffalo and every one thought I was an idiot.

They are alive and viable bottomline. As ive said for years.


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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: The_Rooster] #942663
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Originally Posted by The_Rooster
Good stuff Nickle. I referenced the new casinos actually helping Buffalo and every one thought I was an idiot.

They are alive and viable bottomline. As ive said for years.



According to Edwards, you were not an idiot, instead you were very much right!!

On another note, I wonder how much "evidence" it will take for those who said the Buffalo family is dead, and belittled those who suggested otherwise to admit there good evidence that suggests this crime family is alive. Again, this doesn't prove it is alive, but dang if it doesn't lend credibility to what we've been saying all along. They can definitely point to articles and experts to verify their position, but I think they can no longer say we are operating only in the arena of hearsay and making this stuff up.

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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: The_Rooster] #942665
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Originally Posted by The_Rooster
Good stuff Nickle. I referenced the new casinos actually helping Buffalo and every one thought I was an idiot.

They are alive and viable bottomline. As ive said for years.


Additionally, this quote lends credibility to what you've stated over and over again, that the Buffalo Crime family may not be organized in a traditional way. According to Edwards LCN is:

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...more loosely structured now, and more of a network than a tight organization. Contacts, expertise and experience were shared across organizational lines, for mutual benefit.


I think you and I have both been saying that Buffalo has learned a lot about "loose structure" and "sharing across organizational lines" because of its long history with Ndrangheta clans in Hamilton and Toronto.

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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942702
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Clear they have been influenced by the Canadian structuring and Im sure a case could be made for Detroit as well


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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942726
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Crickets from Loscalzo, Billy and the Jew....

Sucks to be wrong guys eh?

Corny a** b***** smile


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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942734
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Interesting stuff... however it talks about the Luchese family being stronger then the Genovese family which I don’t think is accurate in 2018.

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Where is that said Homers?


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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: Homers77] #942740
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Originally Posted by Homers77
Interesting stuff... however it talks about the Luchese family being stronger then the Genovese family which I don’t think is accurate in 2018.


Peter Edwards is actually suggesting that the Luchese family was stronger than the Genovese family in the Greater Toronto Area during the 2012-2013 period. Not that they were stronger in general.

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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942852
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R.I.P. Loscalzo


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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: The_Rooster] #942948
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Originally Posted by The_Rooster
Crickets from Loscalzo, Billy and the Jew....

Sucks to be wrong guys eh?

Corny a** b***** smile



Sucks worse to be banned, Rooster. Buh-bye!


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Thank you SC. Rooster was brutal. Reminded me of someone else that was here before always chanting about Buffalo the Arm.

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Originally Posted by Scalish
Thank you SC. Rooster was brutal. Reminded me of someone else that was here before always chanting about Buffalo the Arm.


Rooster said some things... Seen a lot of other people do it too. I find your last statement telling and off putting as someone’s who likes to research and post about Buffalo. I guess that could be construed as chanting especially given the fact I believe the family is active. Scalish, I’m just kindly expressing how your comment belittles. Thank you for hearing my perspective and taking it into consideration.

Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942970
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Sources say the Todaro crime family has issued a collective sigh of relief now that Rooster, their main whistleblower, has been silenced.
@Nickle it wasn’t Rooster’s thoughts on Buffalo that were the problem. It was that every single thread I was in, Rooster would chime in and start arguments.

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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942980
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Nickel,

Great find....

That was my best guess that these guys were trying something somewhere with the base in Canada.

I knew they were NOT flipping burgers in Mcdonalds.

Poor Rooster he was finally vindicated after years of arguing his point and he gets banned.















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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: BensonHURST] #942981
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Nickel,

Poor Rooster he was finally vindicated after years of arguing his point and he gets banned.



He wasn't banned for thinking Buffalo is a viable family. There's no problem with that. If that was the case, NickleCity would be gone too, but since he's a respectful poster, he's still here.
Rooster was banned for derailing multiple threads that had nothing to do with Buffalo..

And even then, he's not truly vindicated, because it's still one article written by one expert against the entire federal government, other equally reputable mob experts, Buffalo turncoats, DAs, and federal prosecutors. And it offers nothing specific other than an "attempt" at a revival. Many other families attempted revivals as well, and it doesn't mean those families are still active. Cleveland attempted a revival in the '80s or '90s IIRC. Didn't work. Rochester attempted a revival in the 1990s. Didn't work. The Trafficantes inducted new members and pushed into Miami in the 1990s as a revival attempt. Didn't work. I assume there are other examples.

And nobody's saying these guys went to flipping burgers. But 95% of reputable sources concede the family has no viable structure left, and hasn't since 2010, at the very latest. The big ticket rackets like the unions were taken away.

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Poor Rooster he was finally vindicated after years of arguing his point and he gets banned.



Rooster was finally banned for being a scumbag. I know nothing about Buffalo except it has chicken wings and the buffalo used to be on a nickel. I care even less about Buffalo. Your poor Rooster was nothing more than a disturbing influence here on the GBB and his lack of social skills combined with his lack of caring about following rules got him sent on his way.


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Re: Buffalo Family in 2016 [Re: furio_from_naples] #942984
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NickyfromTampa I think that was left of buffalo family adopted a structure more similar to rizzuto family that a traditional LCN structure with a regime in canada and a regime in the US using the border to smuggle drugs. But its just my opinion.
On the families come backs: Cleveland was done after Lonardo and Zagaria flipped in the 80s and I doubt that the gambinos would let the trafficantes to turn an indipendent family.

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Furio, I agree pure speculation on my part.

I look at it this way... In am in N.Y.C. and say Canada was a stone's throw away... And if I handled as.much LCN activity as could be handled in Canada,

And by doing so I more than likely would avoid R.I.C.O. wouldn't that be a smart move??

I would.hold my meetings/ making ceremonies, I would transfer the admin so the hierarchy would not get interrupted, and not have to worry as much as about guys flipping...

In my opinion that would be the smartest way for the family to re-assert itself and start to build.and then maintain.

Especially when you have the FBI stating and Re-Stating "These guys are dead"

That would be the perfect environment for a LCN family to pick up.market share and territories.

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I have seen in the past posters to whereas under their name or right by It, I would see "BANNED"?

So if you get banned you can still come on and post?

I think I seen that anyway?

Also what is to stop Rooster from re-joining in a couple of days using different name etc?

How would you know?

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
NickyfromTampa I think that was left of buffalo family adopted a structure more similar to rizzuto family that a traditional LCN structure with a regime in canada and a regime in the US using the border to smuggle drugs. But its just my opinion.
On the families come backs: Cleveland was done after Lonardo and Zagaria flipped in the 80s and I doubt that the gambinos would let the trafficantes to turn an indipendent family.


I believe they adopted a structure more similar to the Luppino family rather than Rizzuto. The Luppino family have been associates of the Buffalo family for decades and they are more low key compared to other organized crime figures.. It is a theory, but could it be that the decline of Buffalo organized crime over the years have given the Luppino's (Ndrangheta) a more important role into the Buffalo organized crime affairs. This would explain maybe why law enforcement believed it was dead.
Buffalo's Canadian counter parts which had remained unscathed,was a life line for what remained of the Buffalo organization.

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Agreed I misread my apologies....

I have no idea if Buffalo is active or not so don’t have an opinion one way or another.

It definitely appears that there is activity with Canada. But does that mean they have a fully functioning heiarchy and administration? I have no idea!

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I believe they adopted a structure more similar to the Luppino family rather than Rizzuto. The Luppino family have been associates of the Buffalo family for decades and they are more low key compared to other organized crime figures.. It is a theory, but could it be that the decline of Buffalo organized crime over the years have given the Luppino's (Ndrangheta) a more important role into the Buffalo organized crime affairs. This would explain maybe why law enforcement believed it was dead.
Buffalo's Canadian counter parts which had remained unscathed,was a life line for what remained of the Buffalo organization.
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It would make sense if it is working for them a short distance away why not adopt It?

Also would.there really be a need to have a full hierarchy in place
???

How would that benefit the family in the now?
They will never be what they were, no more commission in place so could they get by make money and stay under the radar as a glorified crew? Or crews?

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST


I believe they adopted a structure more similar to the Luppino family rather than Rizzuto. The Luppino family have been associates of the Buffalo family for decades and they are more low key compared to other organized crime figures.. It is a theory, but could it be that the decline of Buffalo organized crime over the years have given the Luppino's (Ndrangheta) a more important role into the Buffalo organized crime affairs. This would explain maybe why law enforcement believed it was dead.
Buffalo's Canadian counter parts which had remained unscathed,was a life line for what remained of the Buffalo organization.


It would make sense if it is working for them a short distance away why not adopt It?

Also would.there really be a need to have a full hierarchy in place
???

How would that benefit the family in the now?
They will never be what they were, no more commission in place so could they get by make money and stay under the radar as a glorified crew? Or crews?

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The Luppino's are related by marriage to one of the most powerful Ndrangheta clan with direct ties to Calabria.. They should not be under estimated. There probably is a hierarchy in place we just won't know it's true structure until some informant talks.
The Buffalo crews or family will benefit by doing business with the Ndrangheta that seem to have access to a vast global cocaine markets & money laundering logistics. These guy have a commission in place in Ontario and oversee at least nine families.
I would not count them out but this is just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by BensonHURST


I believe they adopted a structure more similar to the Luppino family rather than Rizzuto. The Luppino family have been associates of the Buffalo family for decades and they are more low key compared to other organized crime figures.. It is a theory, but could it be that the decline of Buffalo organized crime over the years have given the Luppino's (Ndrangheta) a more important role into the Buffalo organized crime affairs. This would explain maybe why law enforcement believed it was dead.
Buffalo's Canadian counter parts which had remained unscathed,was a life line for what remained of the Buffalo organization.


It would make sense if it is working for them a short distance away why not adopt It?

Also would.there really be a need to have a full hierarchy in place
???

How would that benefit the family in the now?
They will never be what they were, no more commission in place so could they get by make money and stay under the radar as a glorified crew? Or crews?



The Luppino's are related by marriage to one of the most powerful Ndrangheta clan with direct ties to Calabria.. They should not be under estimated. There probably is a hierarchy in place we just won't know it's true structure until some informant talks.
The Buffalo crews or family will benefit by doing business with the Ndrangheta that seem to have access to a vast global cocaine markets & money laundering logistics. These guy have a commission in place in Ontario and oversee at least nine families.
I would not count them out but this is just my opinion.
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@Ciment and Bensonhurst I believe Rooster was correct in his long help ascertain that Buffalo had adopted a lot of the ways and organization of their Canadian families or crews—specifically the Luppino’s who provided protection for the Violi brothers after their dad and Uncles were hit. One thing is clear, I don’t think we can understand Buffalo without understanding their neighbors to the North. Edwards wrote:

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The old Magaddino family of Buffalo was attempting a revival through loansharking at Casino Niagara on the American border. This revived La Cosa Nostra was more loosely structured now, and more of a network than a tight organization. Contacts, expertise and experience were shared across organizational lines, for mutual benefit.


It appears the context of revived Cosa Nostra is the revived Buffalo Family, but could be LCN in general. At any rate it he is talking about then having a loose structure and sharing accross organizational lines. This sounds a lot like the N’Drangheta in Canada. Don’t know a ton about the Calibrians organizational structure, but this seems like the Calibrian clans in GTA.

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Originally Posted by NickleCity

It appears the context of revived Cosa Nostra is the revived Buffalo Family, but could be LCN in general. At any rate it he is talking about then having a loose structure and sharing accross organizational lines. This sounds a lot like the N’Drangheta in Canada. Don’t know a ton about the Calibrians organizational structure, but this seems like the Calibrian clans in GTA.


Also, I would like to point out something.
Most sources contend that in the mid-2000s, the Buffalo Mafia went the way of the dodo. With their core rackets gone, it took the "organized" out of their organized crime. Of course, a handful of Buffalo members and possibly many more associates would have survived the FBI onslaught. Some would probably expand their rackets in the vacuums created.
But most of all, the Canadian Mafia was still alive and well. The Ndrangheta organizations have continued to be active in organized crime and, with their extensive ties to Buffalo, nobody should dispute that it's possible, and likely, that they moved into Buffalo. As long as there is money to be made illegally in the city of Buffalo, somebody will always fill that niche. My argument, the FBI's argument, most crime journalists' arguments, is that the Buffalo crime family, or the Todaro crime family, is not the entity filling that niche.
But it would be silly to assume that members of the Buffalo mob, such as Nicoletti and Bifulco, would start flipping burgers. When contending that a family is extinct, some posters mistakenly assume that I am saying every member went legit. And if Nicoletti and Bifulco had extensive ties to the still-very-active Canadian crime groups, it only makes sense that they would use their connections in Buffalo to make money between the two groups. Perhaps Nicoletti and Bifulco had underlings that could assist with drug trafficking, since Buffalo has always been a conduit. Especially today with this fentanyl epidemic. Perhaps Nicoletti and Bifulco had contacts that could help the Canadian crime groups in blue collar organized crime, or vice versa. Maybe Nicoletti and Bifulco, even though their construction/union strength was severed, could call on the powerful Canadians and utilize whatever loose connections the Todaro crime family was able to maintain.

All of these are speculative, possible scenarios, and these are scenarios that I'm open to. But my argument is that the Todaro crime family, as an entity, as a Mafia crime group, is no longer active. Is there 'Mafia' in Buffalo? Yes. The Luccheses had a high-ranking associate operating there. The Canadian crime groups have continued to be linked to Buffalo to this day. But other than a vague, open-to-interpretation comment from a Canadian book, there simply isn't any viable evidence that the Buffalo crime family is a viable entity, and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

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