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How does a consigliere earn? #897211
10/28/16 05:02 PM
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Does a consigliere have their own crew? I mean besides the normal stuff like shy and sports betting, what typical rackets are consiglieres involved in? Would your average consigliere make as much as your average Capo? More? Less?

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897235
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Well imh opinion a Consigliere's job is too deal with the big scams such as the Construction deals and the Union Extortion etc so he takes a percentage of that and kicks up to the Boss, the other family's end goes to the Capo's involved

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897236
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I've read that a consigliere has the right to a personal soldier, an aide-de-camp if you will.
Gaspipe Casso was Christy 'Tick' Furnari's personal soldier when he was the consigliere of the Lucchese family..

As far as how a consigliere earns money, I personally think that this differs from family to family..

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Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897292
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It seems like in some families the consigliere receives a portion of the money kicked up to the administration and in others he has his own rackets going.

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897419
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To start with, a consigliere, before he is ever made such will be a captain from a strong earning crew withing a family. Very rarely will a Boss make a nobody brokester a consigliere. Before being made the number 3, he will be a Capo, a good earner, and have an influential crew. When made the number 3, the consigliere will turn annoint his right hand man the title of Capo of his crew so he can attend the duties of the family and his newly minted Capo can handle the day to day issues of that crew. The consigliere will still retain any rackets he has of his own, get money kicked up from his old crew and will take a share of any money the administration of his family gets as dictated by the Boss.

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A consigliere is anyone the Don wants to appoint as consigliere. He can be a stand-alone, meaning that his full time job is to counsel the Don (in which case he gets some of the money kicked upstairs to the Don), or he can have his own regime, and keep it while he advises the Don. In a FBI tape of Gotti, he says to Sammy da Bull: "Do you want to be consigliere or underboss--whatever makes you feel good." Whatever he was, Da Bull continued to pursue his own rackets, which made Gotti jealous.


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Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897421
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Nicky Scarfo was only a soldier before he was made a soldier. A consigliere will have his own things going on, and will be allowed a certain amount of the kick ups that the administration receives, it depends on the family and what investments one made with the family. In the smaller families, it was not uncommon for a soldier to become a consigliere due to close friendships or blood relations with the boss or underboss at the time.


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Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897479
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A boss can name anyone he wants, but he won't. The underboss and consigliere will almost always be capos who have their own crews. They will always keep their own rackets but may have others run it for them. Scarfo was a special case since he was very wealthy from running AC and was backed by the Genovese

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Originally Posted By: mulberry
A boss can name anyone he wants, but he won't. The underboss and consigliere will almost always be capos who have their own crews. They will always keep their own rackets but may have others run it for them. Scarfo was a special case since he was very wealthy from running AC and was backed by the Genovese
I agree with that except Scarfo wasn't really that wealthy. After the Bruno hit there were several high ranking guys that got killed also, which moved Scarfo that much closer. Due to Scarfo's close ties with Bobby Manna, the Genovese advised Testa when making him boss to make Scarfo either Underboss or Consigliere. Scarfo would jump over his Captain in this case Freddy Iezzi. Scarfo was surprised Testa made Casella underboss and Scarfo Consigliere. I think Testa was trying to throw a bone and make a peaceful transition. It ended up costing his life. Philly is really an exception to the rule. Scarfo was made Boss and he chose soldier Chuckie Merlino as his UB and Frank Monte as consigliere. Inside the NY Families this is very rare. Only a few occasions that I know where a soldier is made Consigliere.

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897621
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The traditional view of the consigliere is a semi-retired, older member of the family, who acts as an adviser and weighs in when required.

However, in recent years the role has become more hands-on. For example, Bobby Vernace, Tom Farese, Jo Jo Corozzo, Joe Carisi, Joel Cacace, Ralph Lombardo, Anthony Graziano, Anthony Rabito, George Borgesi, Steve Vitabile, etc. have all been involved in running direct operations through the family.

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Theres some funny gangland article how the consig. From the buffalino woud keep showing up to the ravenite to talk to gotti over a beef about a boxer or boxing promotion with jojo corozzo. And gotti would try to duck him cause the guy was older and a pest.thought that was kinda funny. Think theres him on the wires talking like i dont want to see him tell him im not around. He wasnt disrespectful but he really didnt want to deal with the guy.

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: Parisi] #897667
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Originally Posted By: Parisi
The traditional view of the consigliere is a semi-retired, older member of the family, who acts as an adviser and weighs in when required.

However, in recent years the role has become more hands-on. For example, Bobby Vernace, Tom Farese, Jo Jo Corozzo, Joe Carisi, Joel Cacace, Ralph Lombardo, Anthony Graziano, Anthony Rabito, George Borgesi, Steve Vitabile, etc. have all been involved in running direct operations through the family.


^ This sums it up.

I will add that, as a member of the administration, the consigliere is traditionally entitled to tribute just as the boss and underboss are.


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Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897675
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^ the only family that I have personal knowledge of, Pittsburgh, I know what Ivy posted was the case.


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Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897801
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In my opinion There is no way that the consigliere dosen't earn...

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Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
In my opinion There is no way that the consigliere dosen't earn...


Agreed. We all know gangsters do nothing for free, much less risk prison for no payoff? They definitely get money from somewhere.

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897807
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The guy bobby manna must have made in killing in his few years in the 80tys. Being chins guy running new jersey. Remeber the fitsy shows on smoking gun. They said manna had a apartmemt down the street from chins social club to stay at when he was in the city.

Re: How does a consigliere earn? [Re: JackieAprile] #897808
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Joe n gallo carlos then pauls an gottis consig must have been loaded.


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