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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Franky5Angelz] #866034
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here is a real good article from 1994 on stanfa and piccolo by antatisa. Carmine Fracclo with the genovese family is talked about so is tommaso gambino a really good insight into his family it seems piccolo was more involved in the murders than i realized. Also they talk about leonetti



http://articles.philly.com/1994-10-09/news/25872322_1_john-stanfa-la-cosa-nostra-fbi-agents


Not connected with scott or anyone at gangsterreport

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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: SinatraClub] #866051
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Originally Posted By: PHL_Mob
Also KING6, minor detail, but Frank Martines was actually part of Riccobene's crew, which while it was not part of the Scarfo faction, doesn't necessarily mean he was a scrub. Everything I know about, which is not too much, indicates to me that he was pretty solid LCN as were all those Riccobene guys for the most part. They were just part of another crew/faction, but that's something for another conversation (SERP knows what I'm talking about).


I knew he was with Riccobene and part of their faction. I simply meant that he was one of the remnants left on the street from the Scarfo organization when Stanfa took over. He may have been solid LCN like you say, but other than what I've read about him (not much is published/written about him) he just doesn't seem like a guy who should have reached a position of power (acting underboss) like he did. Was he even fully Italian? The main reason for my curiousity is the "Martines" last name. And, we also know the questionable nature of some of the guys that Stanfa made - Veasey, Previte, etc. It also speaks volumes for what Stanfa was dealing with and the guys at his disposal like I mentioned in my first post. He may have been with Riccobene and involved in some gambling and poker machine routes, but it hardly seems like the Scarfo guys ever thought highly of him or would have used him, regardless if the Riccobene war ever happened. Had they remained in power down the line, Martines would have remained a "career associate" in my opinion. He was a daily construction worker during the middle of the war when they attempted to hit him and he was shot multiple times getting into his work truck in the morning.


Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
Merlino & Johnny Chang weren't made in the same ceremony. I could be wrong but Johnny Chang got his button via Scarfo. When he got out and was on the street in '96, Ralph Natale made him the official consigliere. You're right that Merlino & Joey Jr. was, but Joey Jr is also Johnny Changs "little" brother. There's really not much out there supports Merlino & Johnny Chang having a close relationship prior to Ralph Natale. But I'm sure they knew each other.


I've also been curious as to when Johnny Chang was made. I don't believe that he was made during the Scarfo era, but I could also be wrong. There's an article from 1995, when he was released from prison, which labeled him as a "mob associate".

http://articles.philly.com/1995-01-06/news/25712825_1_john-stanfa-joseph-skinny-joey-merlino-mob

I believe Johnny was made by either Joey or Ralph Natale once he came home from prison. Also, Joey Chang and Skinny Joey were not inducted at the same ceremony - Merlino was inducted in 1992 alongside their other brother, Michael "Mikey Chang" Ciancaglini. Joey Chang had to have been made sometime before this by Stanfa, because at that point in 1992 (when Merlino and Mikey Chang were inducted) Joey Chang was already serving as John Stanfa's underboss. Also, regarding Johnny Chang being named consigliere, I've also read/heard about that somewhere else - is that fact true? I'm not disputing it because I also read the same thing, but it just seems like the timeline doesn't add up to me. Wasn't Ronnie Turchi the first consigliere under Natale? And then, after Turchi was busted down by Natale, it was written in George Anastasia's book "The Last Gangster" that Natale then promoted Stevie Mazzone to consigliere. Finally, once Ralph was arrested and went away, Skinny Joey "officially" took over the family; Mazzone was promoted to underboss, and that's when George Borgesi became consigliere.

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: gangstereport] #866055
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Originally Posted By: gangstereport
here is a real good article from 1994 on stanfa and piccolo by antatisa. Carmine Fracclo with the genovese family is talked about so is tommaso gambino a really good insight into his family it seems piccolo was more involved in the murders than i realized. Also they talk about leonetti



http://articles.philly.com/1994-10-09/news/25872322_1_john-stanfa-la-cosa-nostra-fbi-agents


Carmine Franco...And Frank Martines was Italian. I believe both his parents were. The "Martines" thing has been spoken about before on here, and Martines has it's origin's from when the spainiards ruled Italy.

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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Franky5Angelz] #866078
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Does anyone have a chart of the Philly family while Stanfa was boss?

I wonder how many active guys were on the street at that time. The Scarfo convictions/murders really decimated the family. Scarfo was 10x more competent than Stanfa, though.

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Franky5Angelz] #866079
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Is Ray Esposito related to Eric?

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: gangstereport] #866081
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Originally Posted By: gangstereport
here is a real good article from 1994 on stanfa and piccolo by antatisa. Carmine Fracclo with the genovese family is talked about so is tommaso gambino a really good insight into his family it seems piccolo was more involved in the murders than i realized. Also they talk about leonetti



http://articles.philly.com/1994-10-09/news/25872322_1_john-stanfa-la-cosa-nostra-fbi-agents


This article really paints Stanfa as a complete Buffoon. I'm surprised you guys defend him. He had no support. He was sicilian and in his 50's -- so what? The guy couldn't inspire anyone around him. The people he did inspire were complete morons:

"Colletti, one of the two shooters, was a prime suspect. Although the getaway car was torched several blocks away, police quickly traced it: The car had been leased in Colletti's name."

Are you kidding me?

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Serpiente] #866083
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Originally Posted By: Serpiente
Skinny was a teen , he was just a kid .... But the kind of kid that many would have hit if his dad was not a made guy let alone later in his 20's his dad skipper and a UB . Most were on to him skimming or stealing or what have you . But he was a kid then , and if adults that robbed and killed for a living wanted him dead as a teen can you imagine how horrible this guy was. Then his dad moved up and he was in his 20's and the rest is known what he was doing.

In that article he was messing with other families money and he still walks around...
Yes.Serp,everybody & thier mom wanted to waste this kid back in the day,he was even skimming off his dad's take or the money he was bringing down to philip while nicky was away in 83...from all accounts,he was & is a no good, cheatin' lying,swindler street corner punk that only stayed alive b-cause of who his pop was...a FUCKIN PUNK.


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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: hoodlum] #866093
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Originally Posted By: Serpiente
Skinny was a teen , he was just a kid .... But the kind of kid that many would have hit if his dad was not a made guy let alone later in his 20's his dad skipper and a UB . Most were on to him skimming or stealing or what have you . But he was a kid then , and if adults that robbed and killed for a living wanted him dead as a teen can you imagine how horrible this guy was. Then his dad moved up and he was in his 20's and the rest is known what he was doing.

In that article he was messing with other families money and he still walks around...
Yes.Serp,everybody & thier mom wanted to waste this kid back in the day,he was even skimming off his dad's take or the money he was bringing down to philip while nicky was away in 83...from all accounts,he was & is a no good, cheatin' lying,swindler street corner punk that only stayed alive b-cause of who his pop was...a FUCKIN PUNK.

His dad being underboss was probably why he was so cocky and arrogant.


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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: mightyhealthy] #866116
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Is Ray Esposito related to Eric?



Think it's his dad, I could be wrong though. One thing I find interesting is that nowadays, the guys around Merlino, a lot of them are the sons and nephews of Stanfa guys.

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: mightyhealthy] #866117
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Originally Posted By: gangstereport
here is a real good article from 1994 on stanfa and piccolo by antatisa. Carmine Fracclo with the genovese family is talked about so is tommaso gambino a really good insight into his family it seems piccolo was more involved in the murders than i realized. Also they talk about leonetti



http://articles.philly.com/1994-10-09/news/25872322_1_john-stanfa-la-cosa-nostra-fbi-agents


This article really paints Stanfa as a complete Buffoon. I'm surprised you guys defend him. He had no support. He was sicilian and in his 50's -- so what? The guy couldn't inspire anyone around him. The people he did inspire were complete morons:

"Colletti, one of the two shooters, was a prime suspect. Although the getaway car was torched several blocks away, police quickly traced it: The car had been leased in Colletti's name."

Are you kidding me?


I wouldn't read too much into these articles. Stanfa had more than enough support. He just didn't have a lot of support IN PHILLY, outside of his guys.

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Franky5Angelz] #866236
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in the one article it mentions an Anthony mad dog Dipasquale who was a hitman for Bruno, Scarfo and then Merlino..anyone know more about him? I found like 2 articles on philly.com and I know he died in a car accident not far from my house in langhorne, but never heard of the guy until yesterday. Said he was a suspect in numerous unsolved mob hits? Any insight fellas?


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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Franky5Angelz] #866247
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Some piece of shit lowlife cowboy. Would have been a junkie loser but he was born in the 40s

Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Wilson101] #866265
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Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Some piece of shit lowlife cowboy. Would have been a junkie loser but he was born in the 40s


Yea I gathered from the articles I read that he was a ruthless thug..vegas do u or anyone know bout the hits he was suspected of?

Articles said he was from Kenso which anyone from the Delaware valley knows is the shittiest neighborhood ..my wifes moms fam grew up there and her gpops did time for dealing meth with some K & A guys and I think Merlino associates but dont know who exactly and cant find much about it online, I think he rolled over on his co-defendants and got a reduction in time

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Re: New George Anastasia article [Re: Franky5Angelz] #866278
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Nah Mikey I never really heard anyone talk about him

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