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Honest rats #863949
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In addition to the reading I've done via the Internet and other sources I've recently read four different books by ex mobsters all turned informents valachi papers, Sinatra club, mob boss and Gaspipe. Iive noticed none of them give the reason for cooperating as simply not wanting to do jail time. My question is do any of you know of any rats who were brutally honest and basically just said I didn't feel like doing the time for the crime?

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Nope. They all have the same bullshit excuse. That they were doing it for revenge and not to dodge prison time.

It's true enough in some cases, though. Once in a while they do create their own rats by bullying their own crew members, short changing and embarrassing them in public, etc.

Greg DePalma's a good example. I'm not excusing them, but he two-faced every rat in the Scores case into flipping.


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Well fat Pete Chiodo only cooperated because gas & vic tried to kill
him because he took a plea without consulting with them first. He didn't rat to avoid jail time.

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Originally Posted By: Tonytough
Well fat Pete Chiodo only cooperated because gas & vic tried to kill
him because he took a plea without consulting with them first. He didn't rat to avoid jail time.

Good example of creating your own rat.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Nope. They all have the same bullshit excuse. That they were doing it for revenge and not to dodge prison time.

It's true enough in some cases, though. Once in a while they do create their own rats by bullying their own crew members, short changing and embarrassing them in public, etc.

Greg DePalma's a good example. I'm not excusing them, but he two-faced every rat in the Scores case into flipping.


Wasn't it basically the same situation with Casso? Him being so paranoid, ordering murders of people he "suspected" of being rats who really weren't, and giving his infamous "whack Jersey" order probably didn't help him.

Chiodo, D'Arco, and Accetturo (along with others in the Jersey crew) flipped because Casso was a homicidal maniac who basically pushed them into the arms of the government. I'm sure there are others from the Lucchese's who flipped at that time too that I can't remember.

PB - I know you are well versed on this, so I will ask even though you've probably been asked before. What rank in the family did Crea have at the time Tony Ducks went to prison, and how much power/respect did he have from the rest of the family? In my opinion, it seems that Corallo could have drastically changed the future of the family back then by choosing Stevie (or somebody else who was highly respected) instead of giving the power to Vic and Gas.

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If you mean when Ducks went to prison for life after the Commission Case, Stevie didn't have his button yet. But once he got made he made so much money with the DiNapolis in the construction business that he shot up very fast.

If you mean when Ducks died in in the early 2000s, everyone was deferring to Stevie by that point. After he did his own bit and came home himself, he was for all intents and purposes the Boss by then.

And before anyone mentions FBI charts or whatever, I'm not saying that it was official. But here, in New York, ON THE STREET, WHERE IT MATTERS, he was already running things.


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Ya fat Pete should have just asked for his bail to be revoked and started his time guess he had the plea deal alset 8 - 10 yrs. There was another old Colombo guy a capo from long island guess he was on the other side of persico clan. They wanted him dead tried to place that guy big dino the cop killer in his crew to get close. So the old guy gets indicted works out a plea after getting wind of the plot to kill him he asks judge to revoke his bail and getting on doing the time.

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Your safer in prison and maybe after a few years the bosses forget.

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Your safer in prison and maybe after a few years the bosses forget.

If you mean prison vs. the street, you're right. If you mean prison vs. Witness Protection, you're crazy. The rat program is much safer than prison.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: pmac
Your safer in prison and maybe after a few years the bosses forget.

If you mean prison vs. the street, you're right. If you prison vs. Witness Protection, you're crazy. The rat program is much safer than prison.


I think he means on the street, as he referenced people revoking their bail to just start their time.

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Surely Burton Kaplan deserves an honorable mention.


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Chucky Porter in Pittsburgh began cooperating a year into his 28 year sentence. To this day, he is good friends with the two former FBI agents who dogged him for 30 years. According to the Feds, he provided the most substantial assistance that dismantled the LaRocca Crime Family in Pennsylvania, Ohio and West Virginia. His information took down the major players and put an end to the LaRocca Crime Family.

Angelo Lonardo was said to be one of the most important informants to date and was the last guy on earth that anybody thought would cooperate. Until the day he died, he was still pissed off that he was dragged into a narcotics case by his former Capo and crew members.

Jimmy Fratianno was also said to be golden as an informant.

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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Surely Burton Kaplan deserves an honorable mention.


Yeah good mention Moe. Kaplan only flipped during his time inside after his daughter gave him his grandchild. No talk about revenge or whatever, just wanted to spend his last few years with his family.

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I'ma do I here because its been discussed a bunch And don't feel it's worthy of a whole new thread but how in the hell did the author Phillip Carlo get away with some of the things he wrote in his book Gaspipe? Ive not read Any of his other books but damn he is in love with Casso. Something I looked forward to when reading was the contrast of the descriptions of Al D'Arco in Gaspipe as opposed. To his poetrayl by Capeci in Mob Boss. It's really something. In one he is a spineless yes mAn bottom feeder in the other he is something quite different

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Carlo's books should be in the fiction section

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
If you mean when Ducks went to prison for life after the Commission Case, Stevie didn't have his button yet. But once he got made he made so much money with the DiNapolis in the construction business that he shot up very fast.

If you mean when Ducks died in in the early 2000s, everyone was deferring to Stevie by that point. After he did his own bit and came home himself, he was for all intents and purposes the Boss by then.

And before anyone mentions FBI charts or whatever, I'm not saying that it was official. But here, in New York, ON THE STREET, WHERE IT MATTERS, he was already running things.



louie dadione i thought he was the boss in the early 2000s i thought steve ran things in the late 90s and he was kicking up alot of money to vic its why vic ordered joe defede to be killed because he thought he was skimming the family operations


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Originally Posted By: gangstereport
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If you mean when Ducks went to prison for life after the Commission Case, Stevie didn't have his button yet. But once he got made he made so much money with the DiNapolis in the construction business that he shot up very fast.

If you mean when Ducks died in in the early 2000s, everyone was deferring to Stevie by that point. After he did his own bit and came home himself, he was for all intents and purposes the Boss by then.

And before anyone mentions FBI charts or whatever, I'm not saying that it was official. But here, in New York, ON THE STREET, WHERE IT MATTERS, he was already running things.



louie dadione i thought he was the boss in the early 2000s i thought steve ran things in the late 90s and he was kicking up alot of money to vic its why vic ordered joe defede to be killed because he thought he was skimming the family operations
daidone was the consigliere and one time acting boss , he was prob acting for crea by then

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That's about right, Dom.


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dadione was always a smart and rational guy rare esp with the luchese crew he was with stood out no wonder he rose so quick prob why crea would deal with him dadione used to be with little al i mean steve cant have liked those guys.

steve told al he would help him kill battera steve was fuming after casso and amsuo took him down from acting consgliere and casso tried to kill him


louie was smart he saw how the game was played he knew it inside out guys were getting whacked all over the place he is a survivor. got life without parole but that murder he did not even want to do al and casso made him very similar to the joey giampa killing mike sarno joey told al that mike was no rat but al said joey had no choice he had to do the murder so he did it

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Crea was never consigliere , he was official underboss from the early 90s , he was then acting boss before he went to prison , daidone acted for crea whilst he was in prison and wen he was released I think we all know what is position is

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Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Crea was never consigliere , he was official underboss from the early 90s , he was then acting boss before he went to prison , daidone acted for crea whilst he was in prison and wen he was released I think we all know what is position is


no he served as acting consglierie al d`arco talks about it in his book. Al was acting boss steve acting consglierie cant remember who the acting underboss was. It only lasted 12 months then casso and amuso decided to get rid of the acting positions and make a panel. 1991 i think it was he was acting consglierie


it was the day after this that steve and al met up plotted killing battera steve was according to al fuming he was ready for war

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I don't think I've heard of him being acting consigliere , frank lastorino the frank papagni both served as acting consigliere around that time

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That's the first I heard of Daidone acting for Crea. I thought Amuso instated Daidone after De Fede skimmed.

Daidone didn't go with Al and Crea's plot. He was loyal to the end.


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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
That's the first I heard of Daidone acting for Crea. I thought Amuso instated Daidone after De Fede skimmed.

Daidone didn't go with Al and Crea's plot. He was loyal to the end



Moe are you starting to follow these guys now ??
You fired that out like you are.....

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On the street--in New York--WHERE IT MATTERS--That entire family has been deferring to Stevie and the Bronx/Westchester faction (which would include the last East Harlem holdouts back then)--for the past fifteen plus years.

And again, I'm not using terms like "official," or "acting." Only the fucking Feds and the media use those terms. I'm just stating factually and once and for all fucking time, that Stevie is the guy who's been steering that ship for fifteen plus years. When he was away, all you have to do is look at the panel that was standing in for him at the time. Hand picked, with Joey DiNapoli holding the deciding vote. And if you don't know them, you have no fucking idea how close Stevie is to all of the DiNapolis, including Vinny, rest in peace.

Oh, it's Salerno. Mikey Salerno. And all you have for evidence is that midget's word. Joey Giampa beat that murder at trial in an era where wiseguys were getting life without parole in droves.


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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
That's the first I heard of Daidone acting for Crea. I thought Amuso instated Daidone after De Fede skimmed.

Daidone didn't go with Al and Crea's plot. He was loyal to the end.





what i never said dadione went with al and creas plot?


i said he understood the life inside out


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Serp...

I think I have set my stall on that matter.

Lol.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
On the street--in New York--WHERE IT MATTERS--That entire family has been deferring to Stevie and the Bronx/Westchester faction (which would include the last East Harlem holdouts back then)--for the past fifteen plus years.

And again, I'm not using terms like "official," or "acting." Only the fucking Feds and the media use those terms. I'm just stating factually and once and for all fucking time, that Stevie is the guy who's been steering that ship for fifteen plus years. When he was away, all you have to do is look at the panel that was standing in for him at the time. Hand picked, with Joey DiNapoli holding the deciding vote. And if you don't know them, you have no fucking idea how close Stevie is to all of the DiNapolis, including Vinny, rest in peace.

Oh, it's Salerno. Mikey Salerno. And all you have for evidence is that midget's word. Joey Giampa beat that murder at trial in an era where wiseguys were getting life without parole in droves.




i agree with you i was talking early 2000s things last ten/15 years have been steve and hooks and yearh Joey DiNapoli

i think anthony blue eyes is now steves top guy hooks is getting old and so is joey DiNapoli



why are you biting my head of? i spell the guys name wrong.

I would think al would know alot but maybe your right you obviously seem knowledgeable about these guys


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Sorry, buddy. I'm cranky today. Not your fault.


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PB, how come Stevie rose up so quick in the ranks? You said he wasn't a made guy when Tony Ducks went away(85/86), yet by the 90s he was one of the more respected members in the family. It seems like an awful short time.

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