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European Immigration Crisis #858552
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There's a lot of stories about the recent mass migration into Europe from Africa, Syria and Iraq, mostly caused by ISIS.

Here's some stories:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...90-seconds.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11836310/EU-migration-crisis-live.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...thors-call.html

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Here's a related story about an elderly Sicilian couple who was murdered by someone who just arrived from Ivory Coast in Africa in June:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-sentiment.html

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F1,

thanks for the links. Guy who killed those innocent people should executed if Italy has the death penalty.

I've followed the story of organized crime over there and how, of course, they make money from the immigration crisis.

here is just one article about it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worl...ans-more-money/


I'm reminded of two passages from the Godfather book. The first one mentions the cleverness of oc, the second mentions the overall negative impact oc has on whatever society they operate it.


1)Story is told about how oc controls trucking industry in a region....and overloads the truck past legal limits (damaging the roads)....and then oc controls road paving industry and bidding....and gets paid to fix the roads they ruined

2)Story about a water mill being built in Sicily that would improve life in a certain town...oc can't get their cut so they have it destroyed.


From what I've gathered about the story..roman mafia lobbies for the rights of immigrants to be "rescued at sea" and not turned away....they work with oc groups in the origin countries of the migrants to smuggle them to Italy, they bribe officials in Italy to get contracts to build or run the immigrant detention centers, they pocket most of the money to operate these centers,then they contract out local work to the illegals paying them pennies on the dollar.

Their country is flooded by more immigrants than can be absorbed, the citizens and govt. are subsidizing the living/care for these immigrants......and oc doesn't care because they are making money ...."more profitable than drugs" is how this immigrant racket is described by one of the accused.

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This is concerning.

Before this massive wave of immigration there was already a problem with Muslim communities in countries like England, France, and Germany. Radical Islam is a problem brewing, ready to explode like a powder keg.

What the hell is Europe going to look like 50 years from now? What will happen to the natives as the immigrants have more kids and bring their culture with them, which as we know, is very different from secular liberalism that Europe, for the most part, has embraced.

The natives are footing the bill for all of this shit. And the goddamn EU continues to insist that they take in all these people when it's not economically possible. Why would they accept thousands of migrants when they have enough problems as it is?

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Originally Posted By: rockstar_man45
This is concerning.

Before this massive wave of immigration there was already a problem with Muslim communities in countries like England, France, and Germany. Radical Islam is a problem brewing, ready to explode like a powder keg.

What the hell is Europe going to look like 50 years from now? What will happen to the natives as the immigrants have more kids and bring their culture with them, which as we know, is very different from secular liberalism that Europe, for the most part, has embraced.

The natives are footing the bill for all of this shit. And the goddamn EU continues to insist that they take in all these people when it's not economically possible. Why would they accept thousands of migrants when they have enough problems as it is?


rockstar, all that's going to happen is that some economic collapse will be engineered to wipe out all of the jobs and cut off most social safety nets so that immigrants will be encouraged to go back home. That is what is happening slowly in the United States. The jobs crisis here is engineered and artificial.


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Re: European Immigration Crisis [Re: Faithful1] #858660
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Gets - Good comments as usual. Adding to what you wrote, the Mafia severely damaged Sicily's lemon industry back in the early 1900s. That's what they do. They are parasites, cancers.

rockstar - Yes, EU leaders like Merkel and most of the press continue to label people who don't like this overwhelming influx "anti-immigrant" and "xenophobic," as if they hate immigrants. I bet, like you wrote, most of the citizens are concerned about Muslim immigrants, most of whom are influenced by the extremist Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that Saudi Arabia spreads through its massive wealth. But don't worry, it'll be more like 20 years that Islam is dominant in places like France, with Germany, England, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Italy not far behind. They'll impose Shari'a and have full control of France's nukes.

Saudi Arabia is basically just a long-term form of what ISIS is; their beliefs are not very different, but their strategies are. Saudi Arabia does the same types of punishment on its own people that ISIS does, including crucifixion.

If the Iranian leaders weren't so obstinate and stupid we could be allies. Yes, Iran also practices the same sort of medieval punishments Saudi Arabia does (just not as often), but in the scheme of things Iran could be the lesser of evils. Just like supporting the Syrian government is a lesser evil than ISIS, but like Iran it is also a bad actor, plus Turkey, our sometimes ally and a member of NATO, wants to overthrow Syria and make it Sunni. It's sort of like a chess game in prison where a mass murder is on one side and a serial killer on the other. Bad choices all around.

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Faith, the problem with the right wing is that they are poor communicators. It should have been easy to make the case to lessen Muslim immigration in the wake of small time recent terrorist attacks that have occurred. Europe needs to look at the United States as an example, and vice versa. The US already has a lone wolf terrorist problem in the form of mass shooters. Why in the world would we import millions of people with a grudge and a gripe from countries with histories littered with unauthorized bombings and shootings?


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This is the largest refugee crisis since the end of WWII. The terrors that sent these people fleeing from their native countries, and their plight, are terrible. But, there is no way Europe can absorb so many refugees without further human toll--on the refugees, and on native populations in Europe and their political institutions. This is a catastrophe waiting to happen.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
This is the largest refugee crisis since the end of WWII. The terrors that sent these people fleeing from their native countries, and their plight, are terrible. But, there is no way Europe can absorb so many refugees without further human toll--on the refugees, and on native populations in Europe and their political institutions. This is a catastrophe waiting to happen.


Plus the fact that huge numbers are economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers. Europe is an overpopulated landmass, most of the EU member States are still recovering from the global recession, jobs, housing and welfare support are just not there to accommodate mass influxes of people.

For the genuine cases of people fleeing ISIS controlled southern Syria and northern Iraq It's a travesty that the likes of the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are refusing to take anyone. These are rich Arab nations who should be lending a hand.

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It is a truly awful thing. What a lot of these people have gone through is awful but there simply isnt room in Europe for them. Pictures of dead kids on beaches are heart breaking. Its horrendous and i cant see how it is going to end well for anybody concerned!!


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@F1, thanks
I didn't know that, I thought oc was in the business of making money..not shooting themselves in the foot.

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I need to read more about this immigrant crisis because I first thought that it involved residents of former European colonies going to said countries to work.For example..some of the first waves of immigrants to England were Jamaican workers(at the time British subjects/citizens) going there to help rebuild post war industries. I'm going to assume that this is/was the case with the North Africans and their presence in France.


So there was a push and a pull. Bad conditions in country A meets need for labor in country B.

Currently, there is no pull factor or industries requiring large pools of labor and the immigrants have no ties to the countries they are going to, not even speaking the same language as was the case with the Jamaicans and North Africans.

The leaders of the home countries of the immigrants need to be called out for NOT developing industry in a way that benefits their own people. They sell out their own people and let multinational companies extract all the natural resources from their countries, as long as they get their cut.

Men are not gonna sit around and starve or let family starve so they leave to go find work anywhere else.

This is the narrative I'm most familiar with so have to read more about how Isis is having an effect on the push factor in these countries.

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This current wave of immigration is different from past ones and are there for different reasons. As sbhc pointed out, the Gulf states are refusing to accept them, but they also seem to be skipping over Turkey. Instead they're going to European countries with no history of Islam except for fighting historic invasions when the different Muslim empires tried to conquer all of Europe. So what's the pull factor for them to head to western Europe instead of other Muslim countries where they share religious beliefs? It's probably Europe's overly generous social welfare policies.

The push factors are Muslim terrorist groups like Boko Haram in Nigeria, Chad and Congo (and maybe a few other countries), and of course, ISIS in the Middle East. Poverty is another factor, which isn't only caused by crony capitalism and greedy dictators, but Islamist terrorists also create poverty, especially for those who disagree with them. People are forced to flee for their lives and leave everything behind. It's also difficult for a large company to set up a factory or warehouse when there's a high likelihood that it will be blown up. A similar reason exists in Zimbabwe, where there's a likelihood that your business can be confiscated at anytime by the government. As a business owner, you're going to say, "Screw that, I'll go somewhere else."

In a lot of these Muslim dominant countries, a hardline dictator is often the lesser evil. If the U.S. and other countries didn't support the Arab Spring against Qaddafi, Libya wouldn't be the base of terrorists that it now is. People all over Africa used to go to Libya for work, now they are either fleeing it or bypassing it. Assad in Syria is certainly a lesser evil than ISIS, and a smart diplomat or group of diplomats could probably get him to change some of his behavior in exchange for protection and support. Instead, President Obama and senators like John McCain have been arming anti-Assad rebels who either end up joining ISIS or running away from it and leaving millions of dollars in equipment and weapons behind for ISIS to grab and use against everyone else.

The foreign policy of the USA is just dumb as a rock stupid sometimes. Going back to Bush, we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in the first place. After we did, the anti-Baathification policy was another disaster. The surge, on the other hand, worked and we should have maintained it, instead Obama pulled everyone out which immediately led to ISIS moving in and filling the vacuum. Our meddling in Egypt led to takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood, but the Egyptians smartened up and got rid of them and put in a real leader, but the U.S. only gives him tepid support. Meddling in Libya led to the current disaster where ISIS now controls part of it, and Al-Qaeda another part. I already wrote about Syria, and now this stupid and disastrous Iran deal that begins with unfreezing over $100 billion in assets that Iran has already said they will use to fund terrorism against the United States and Israel. It's just insane. Maybe Iran ought to use that money to help the Syrian and Iraqi refugees since they are their allies.

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The Hungarians are certainly not happy about this new wave of immigration. And frankly they're wise to be cautious. They, along with Slovakia, are the only ones taking a hard stance on it. Fuck Angela Merkel and this "humanity" rhetoric she's spewing out. Europe simply cannot afford to house of all these people.

Some demographic experts were predicting that Muslim birth rates in Europe would level out. But that was before this new wave. These new immigrants will continue to pop out kids at a high rate and therefore the Muslim population will continue to increase at a rate faster than most native Europeans.

Is anyone else seriously concerned? The Ottoman Empire didn't need to fight a war to conquer Europe, all they needed to do was wait 400 years and mass immigration would do the job much easier.

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100% right, rockstar

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Best case scenario: They are massive welfare recipients, burdens on these societies, but manage to peacefully refuse to assimilate as they outbred the native population. Long game: they win.

Worse case scenario: Beyond being massive takers, they are also angry at their hosts for their refusal to accommodate the same cultural, religious and economic third world hell that made them flee their homeland to begin with. Executions of atheists in the streets, terrorism, etc. Shorter Game: they win.

Thats it. Beyond showing purposeful propaganda of dead children, NOBODY can make a showing why these invaders in anyway will help their host country economically or culturally. And that is what a immigration policy should be based on: how will you benefit our national interest. Young Islamic men with 4th grade educations cannot and will not.

PS: Where are the women and children? It's like all 20 year old guys in middle class clothing and looking well feed. Where did these coward ditch their female relatives before herding on to trains in search for the best welfare program?

Last edited by LittleNicky; 09/05/15 05:29 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Well said Nicky.

If Europe doesn't crack down on this now they will suffer for it. Forget being humanitarian. You can't. You have to think about this in economic terms and of your own people. The natives will suffer for this, and no liberal propaganda will change that. Europe belongs to the Europeans.

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Just wait. Obama will take them in. He wants takers who need him and democratic party. I think history will show Obama as an 8 year nightmare. I don't think we will have a president who history views more unfavorably.

For all you fagatino liberals, get ready for Donald Trump. He's got the momentum, and it ain't going nowhere.

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Originally Posted By: rockstar_man45
Well said Nicky.

If Europe doesn't crack down on this now they will suffer for it. Forget being humanitarian. You can't. You have to think about this in economic terms and of your own people. The natives will suffer for this, and no liberal propaganda will change that. Europe belongs to the Europeans.


True. I live in Europe and I don't like to see where it's going. And I consider myself fairly open minded, having friends in both Turkish and Moroccan communities. But the big difference is, those people were born here. Those new refugees are illiterate, there's no room for them here...they are, I'm sorry for being blunt, "useless". Seriously, fuck all that "humanitarian" bullshit. It seems many European nations still have some sort of feeling of guilt for the things they done in the past that they still feel to need to make up for it. It's bullshit.
And again, I'm sorry for being rude, but I couldn't give two shits about some dead kid that washes up on a beach. Kids die every day. If there hadn't been a picture taken from the dead kid not a soul on earth would've given a shit. And is the dead kid Europe's fault? What do they fucking expect from us? That we all drive to fucking Syria to pick those refugees up ourselves? The kid's family took the risk, it all went wrong, the kid died because of the risk his family took. It's as simple as that.

I'm not one for fear mongering. Claims it'll happen in 50 let alone 20 years are far off base. But give it another century and Europe really will be on its way to look like a Middle Eastern colony if it goes on like this. Maybe I'll not be here to see it happen, but on the other hand, it isn't the future I'd wish for a continent that gave birth to so much civilization.

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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky

Worse case scenario: Beyond being massive takers, they are also angry at their hosts for their refusal to accommodate the same cultural, religious and economic third world hell that made them flee their homeland to begin with. Executions of atheists in the streets, terrorism, etc. Shorter Game: they win.


...just look at France today.


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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky

Worse case scenario: Beyond being massive takers, they are also angry at their hosts for their refusal to accommodate the same cultural, religious and economic third world hell that made them flee their homeland to begin with. Executions of atheists in the streets, terrorism, etc. Shorter Game: they win.


...just look at France today.


What happened Turnbull?

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Originally Posted By: rockstar_man45
Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky

Worse case scenario: Beyond being massive takers, they are also angry at their hosts for their refusal to accommodate the same cultural, religious and economic third world hell that made them flee their homeland to begin with. Executions of atheists in the streets, terrorism, etc. Shorter Game: they win.


...just look at France today.



What happened Turnbull?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
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Also see here:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/feb/28/french-intifada-review-andrew-hussey

I read that book last year--very disturbing. France has the highest percentage of Muslims in its population of any European nation.


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Right or wrong it can only end in tears. Racial tensions already exist in the UK and they are not going to abate. Angela Merkel wants to win a Nobel Peace Prize as the Angel of the Refugees so let her get on with it. Not all countries fall into the same bracket!!


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A very scary possibility: ISIS will take advantage of this crisis to slip its operatives into Europe and the US. Unlikely that the countries screen for terrorists.


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Now the U.S. is supposed to take in 10,000 Syrians.

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