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No German OC group in the United States WTF? #848765
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Germans make up the largest ethnic group in the United States but have no organized crime groups while the next three largest ethnic groups in the United States - African Americans, Mexicans and Italians are really fucking busy.

Don't the Germans in United States get into OC that much?

What gives?


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No. Hitler died, shit went downhill for the Germans.

Please stop trolling by creating all these useless threads; you create like ten a day.


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Re: No German OC group in the United States WTF? [Re: Neo] #848781
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Any chance of you asking questions in one fucking thread instead of creating 5 new ones on a daily basis?


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Re: No German OC group in the United States WTF? [Re: Neo] #848782
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One word: bikers.

In Germany, German criminals often join OMCG's. And in the USA there most likely are criminal bikers (and not all members of an OMCG are criminals) that are of German descent. Anything resembling a solely ethnic German criminal society, no that doesn't exist. But any demographic has its criminal element. Germans are no exception.

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Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
No. Hitler died, shit went downhill for the Germans.

Please stop trolling by creating all these useless threads; you create like ten a day.


Your exaggerating, it is only one or two threads a day I think.

Re: No German OC group in the United States WTF? [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #848785
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Any chance of you asking questions in one fucking thread instead of creating 5 new ones on a daily basis?


There is a chance.

Re: No German OC group in the United States WTF? [Re: TheKillingJoke] #848787
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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
One word: bikers.

In Germany, German criminals often join OMCG's. And in the USA there most likely are criminal bikers (and not all members of an OMCG are criminals) that are of German descent. Anything resembling a solely ethnic German criminal society, no that doesn't exist. But any demographic has its criminal element. Germans are no exception.


Bikers, of course.

I just had another look at the ethnic groups and it just looks like ethnic groups from more humble beginnings get involved in OC and I guess the Germans are not from humble beginnings or economically challenged.

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The majority of your questions have been a bit much, but still valid. This one is approaching trolling. Maybe you're just really young.


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Originally Posted By: Neo
Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Any chance of you asking questions in one fucking thread instead of creating 5 new ones on a daily basis?


There is a chance.


No, from this post alone I know he is a troll


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Re: No German OC group in the United States WTF? [Re: Neo] #848795
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calm down, it's a legitimate question and the answer is no. Other than a few small criminal families, mostly of turkish descent, there is no german organized crime. The Ndrangheta and the camorra are the dominating forces there. Look up the duisburg slaying in 2007
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Luca_feud

due to very weak (almost non-existant) laws to tackle oc in germany, the italian mafia thrives.

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Originally Posted By: Neo
I just had another look at the ethnic groups and it just looks like ethnic groups from more humble beginnings get involved in OC and I guess the Germans are not from humble beginnings or economically challenged.


the massively huge majority of those who came here were of humble beginnings and economically challenged, not counting wasp elites.
italians, germans, poles, swedes, brits, welsh, scots, russians, slovacks, irish, jews, greeks, the chinese etc...

out of all these groups, only 2 are still operating and relevant crime-wise: the italians and the chinese.
I don't consider the russians because the real deal of russians gangsters only started to get here in the 1970s/1980s and had very little to share with those who emigrated generations earlier...

so what does this tell us? that money and large manpower play an important role but a big chunk of it is some sort of ethnic tradition.

1 - italians had a structured and historically-relevant criminal subculture before immigrating overseas, more so than most other western/easter european groups.

attrition works better without a defined structure enriched by strict rankings and ritualistic ceremonies that were forged through history.

eventhough germany did have its own semi-organized underworld, the "Ringvereine" ("ring clubs"), there were never as widely spread as the mafia was in italy.

2 - aside from WW2 anti-italian campaigns and overall discrimination, italians were never lawfully forced to assimilate, unlike what happened to germans starting with WW1 paranoia and germanphobia resulting in the mandatory closure of their schools, newspapers, social clubs, political parties, unions forcing them to assimilate at a faster rate compared to other ethnicities.
hence why german last-names were the ones most commonly americanized literally erasing an entire cultural lineage;

3 - during that same period quotas were implemented to prevent the immigration of possible german spies; even the immigration "reform" of 1928 (passed to favor norther european immigrants over southern ones) was then temporary frozen due to WW2;

4 - lastly and most importantly, by the time some germans started to fully organized (around the 1920s) they were out-numbered and so squished by the italian and irish competition who were already formed and well-integrated forcing germans to either back out or assimilate working for them as enforcers.

they were left with the crumbs and only in irrelevant small locales out in the sticks.

to sum it all up: you had to rule chicago or nyc to rule american crime . . . iowa? not so much
germans got to that game too late to fully organize and become a lasting entity, especially in large, wealth-generating cities.

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Re: No German OC group in the United States WTF? [Re: Neo] #848833
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There are criminals in the states that have German heritage and even German born citizens that operate in the states, but nothing organized like you are referring. Most of the documented German criminals were connected to LCN, Russian OC ( but these were the descendants from German WW2 prisoners in the camps of Russia) Japanese, Chinese, and Hispanic OC groups. Yes there were German OC groups in the states at one time, but they either died out or merged with other OC groups at the end of Prohibition.


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Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

to sum it all up: you had to rule chicago or nyc to rule american crime . . . iowa? not so much
germans got to that game too late to fully organize and become a lasting entity, especially in large, wealth-generating cities.


The Lebanese ('Syrians') were successful in St. Louis and were on an equal footing with the stl family here until it all blew up (literally) in the 1980s. I don't think that they had a presence in Chicago or NYC.

Also, the blacks have been here a long time and many of them are still active in gang activity/OC.

As far as germans go, I don't know about the states, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some type of german cybercrime rings. Many of them seem to be actively involved in hacking.

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in germany the most powerful criminal groups are bikers, italian, turkish and serbian

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Originally Posted By: StLguy
Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

to sum it all up: you had to rule chicago or nyc to rule american crime . . . iowa? not so much
germans got to that game too late to fully organize and become a lasting entity, especially in large, wealth-generating cities.


The Lebanese ('Syrians') were successful in St. Louis and were on an equal footing with the stl family here until it all blew up (literally) in the 1980s. I don't think that they had a presence in Chicago or NYC.

Also, the blacks have been here a long time and many of them are still active in gang activity/OC.

As far as germans go, I don't know about the states, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some type of german cybercrime rings. Many of them seem to be actively involved in hacking.


Germans who came here were mostly farmers. They settled in areas like rural Penn, Ohio, and Texas. Most of the OC is in cities. The Germans assimilated very easily into the Anglo-American majority population, so there was little opportunity to form an ethnic gang.

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Originally Posted By: m2w
in germany the most powerful criminal groups are bikers, italian, turkish and serbian


I would add the Lebanese and Albanians to that.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
I would add the Lebanese and Albanians to that.


i don't think they are on the same level of the previous i said but yes they have a sizable presence too

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Maybe most Germen have been Americanised in a very early period and they do not trace their background to the old country and culture that much, that make it hard to form an ethnic gang.
Do you think bikers and racial gangs like Aryan Brotherhood have a large german presence? I assume the German criminals are more aware of being white, especially being the Aryans just like criminals from
other northern European countries.
By the way, it seems bikers and other white gang members arent really from poor neighborhoods like blacks, Latinos or Italians in the old days did, but as dangerous as any other criminal organizations. So why is that? I thought it was poverty which support the growth of OC or gang pehenomenon.

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Any where there are poor you will have some kind of organized crime. In Germany the Turkish are the poor. A lot of hard working Turks in Berlin. They the muslems are Germany’s cheap labor force. They also move heroin. Their working stiffs have little carts they sell things from in Berlin. The well off Turks own Turkish restraunts. They are family owned business all their relatives work there.

It is like how the cake boss show started. All the relative own their first cake place.

There is a Turkish restraunt that is a half block away from my apartment in Berlin. I go there all the time love their tomato soup. It is very thick I buy lasagn from an Italian place take off their sauce. Replace it with Turkish tomato soup presto chango you got got gravy for your lasagna.


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Originally Posted By: mickey2
calm down, it's a legitimate question and the answer is no. Other than a few small criminal families, mostly of turkish descent, there is no german organized crime. The Ndrangheta and the camorra are the dominating forces there. Look up the duisburg slaying in 2007
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Luca_feud

due to very weak (almost non-existant) laws to tackle oc in germany, the italian mafia thrives.



Although i think the Russians are stronger force than them in Germany.

[/b]The Eastern European and Russian mafia clans have a far greater social, political and economic influence here in Germany than any other criminal organization. You must remember that especially the criminal organizations from the former USSR have access to the energy sector. They have large companies, aluminum companies, some of which dominate the world market. It's basically on a completely different level.[b]


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Originally Posted By: SimonChen

By the way, it seems bikers and other white gang members arent really from poor neighborhoods like blacks, Latinos or Italians in the old days did, but as dangerous as any other criminal organizations. So why is that? I thought it was poverty which support the growth of OC or gang pehenomenon.


Most of the white bikers and criminals I'm aware of all come from poor backgrounds.

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