Im happy to accept the official version until evidence suggests otherwise.

If there's evidence of conspiracy, sure, I'll accept appropriately. But I don't have a mindset of conspiracy and look for evidence to support that.

Thats the difference.

today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxKNqxhpzM

The difference is I listen to those who have no vested interest and tend to believe them. You listen to those who have a vested interest and have been caught lying, and accept that as the official version. If you were in Germany in 1944, you would accept Joseph Goebbels news releases that Germany was near victory and anyone who disagreed was tinfoil hat.

Yes. Insightful comparison.

During a shootout between outlaw 1% gangs, the police opened fire. You're perpetuating without evidence the cops baselessly massacred the bikers.
I don't believe there is enough evidence to support this contention.
That is the equivalent of me in 1944 Germany believing Joseph Goebbals that we're winning.
Brilliant. Because they're exactly the same.
Go back to storing cans of tinned food under the house for the zombie apocalypse pal.

You claim all 177 people arrested are hard core murdrers, everyone shot or killed was a hard core criminal who deserved it, and the different official versions released each day are not to be questioned unless a person is insane and believes in zombies. The KGB used to accuse anyone who questioned the state of being insane and sent them to gulags. You would do well as a Nazi or Communist.

Well said.

alice cooper put up a good link, many judges, not a few, but many are questioning the warrants, they were issued by a justice of the peace, not a judge who knows the law.

also many are now wondering about the excessive bail, that a judge said was to send a message, a 1

million dollar bail for each defendant is unheard of, its never happened before anywhere,

the first media reports that came out, are starting to look now like they are deeply flawed, does any one know yet who fired the first shots?

im hearing on some sites the cops unloaded on them within 1 minute of arriving. can anybody dispel that rumor ?

vehicle seizures;

Ok, so they arrest 170+ for being involved in a "gang" related capital murder. A month later and waco pd still saying they are ALL guilty.

I forget the exact number of cars and bikes snatched up when this happened, but IIRC well over 100.

So, if you arrest 170+, and have strong cases against all of them, as waco pd says, why on earth would you wait 'til the last possible day and then attempt to seize only 25 of them???

to me that screams "we got no case on most of these folks).

http://www.kwtx.com/news/local/headlines...-307981291.html

yes, very strange indeed, its going to be interesting to see what kind of cases they have.

every day the Waco police start to smell more, and more.

One million dollars bail for 177 people and one month later no official charges or grand juries yet. Even people the police know were not involved or were inside the restaurant eating have not been released yet. How can the police claim they were there to hurt or kill people when they were sitting at a table eating when the shooting started outside? Who would bring their 60 year old wife who is a grandmother to a gang fight? Why are the police still holding these grannies on $1 million bail claiming they were there to kill people? The amazing thing is there are still idiots out there who believe the police claim that everyone arrested was a violent criminal that planned to murder people at the restaurant when the vast majority of those arrested have no criminal records and some don't even own a motorcycle.

^^^^

who would bring their 60 year old wife to a gang meeting?

It wasn't a fucking gang meeting cook.quit bn n ass n baiting people

There was a c.o.c meeting in va not long ago over the pagans having support clubs in warlock territory. No violence.

I don't know how the cops can justify what they have done, no charges yet, still like alice cooper says, a million dollars bail.

if we had a free press, they would be all over this injustice,
we do not have a press where the victims side can
be heard, and this is a grave injustice.

the latest narrative from waco pd; this was a gang meeting where the Bandidos and Cossacks were meeting to discuss biker gang control of Texas.

It's being painted as a showdown.

The Bandidos are the biggest or 2nd biggest non-black 1% club in the US (next to Hells Angels). They have US membership of around 1,200 and Texas is their home state. Bandidos=Texas.

So for the big showdown...the Cossacks arrived w/about 60, which represents approximately 1/10th their Texas membership.

And the Bandidos, one of the most powerful bike clubs in the history of bike clubs, shows up at a planned meeting to protect their spiritual home with...


wait for it...




about 20-24 members total, in 2 groups no less, or about 2% of their nationwide membership. Hmmmm not really aligning with biker gangs and "total war" as a primary philosophy.

City of Waco Moves to Block Subpoena for Twin Peaks Restaurant Surveillance Video

“It is troubling that the City of Waco would go to such lengths to suppress this video,” said Broden. “The Waco Police have repeatedly given the public contradictory information about the events at Twin Peaks and have said that the video will support its current version of the facts, yet they have now taken this extraordinary measure to interfere with the subpoena process,” he added.

Broden said if, and when he gets the video, he will make it public.

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29410760/bikers-subpoena-quashed


Yep, the cops are telling the truth and have nothing to hide. We should all blindly believe the official version even though they are trying their hardest to hide all of the video evidence and autopsy reports. LOL

According to Justice Department , Bandidos are the largest numbers wise (900 nationwide).

Of course they don't want it out. Wonder why?

Why didn't they just send a few representatives from each club to discuss their beef instead of 80 bikers in total?

And the meeting spot they chose was one they knew was monitored by police.

It was never planned to be a biker brawl or as a criminal meeting. They have these meetings once or more a year to discuss politics issues such as helmet laws, insurance, and other biker safety issues. It's also a social gathering for talking shop and meeting people. Most of the attendees are not in the outlaw gangs. The issue is that some outlaw gangs always show up to flex their muscle and act tough, but most of the time nothing happens. The rest of the bikers have no reason to hide form the cops and you really can't hide because the meeting site and time is made public for all MC's. The only beef was between the Cossacks and Bandidos and I don't think they planned on any violence considering the place was surrounded by cops.

Exactly. People keep thinking there was 250 1%'ers there and that is FAR from the truth.

The Justice of the Peace has been removed from the case and the next one in line says they will recluse themselves because she can't be impartial...

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_...19e64d47cd.html

edit: this is for the civil rights case. As for the grand jury part of things, the prosecutors had previously been given an extra 30 days to "get things together"...

Government "Biker Gang Expert" arrested on child porn charges...this guy has been a nationally quoted Waco PD support mouthpiece up until now...

http://ntdaily.com/recent-unt-professor-charged-with-9-counts-of-child-pornography/

http://www.agingrebel.com/13251

camera footage was released at the end of October

As we said, all those guys inside the restaurant did nothing except for the one guy that ran in with a weapon, yet ALL OF THEM were arrested. Show me what any guy inside done other than hide and get people in the bathrooms, etc. Yet all of them paid the prices for the ones outside doing whatever they were doing.

Waco PD definitely didn't want this out there.

6 civil rights suits going

grand jury rubber stamping indictments for likely all 177, did 106 in just one day

still no ballistics

still no police parking lot footage which shows what really happened

still a gag order on all defendants

cossack passed polygraph saying they weren't there for violence

waco pd has admitted they asked the cossacks to go to the meeting and meet w/bandidos---then waco, fbi and atf set-up shop and waited in the parking lot. Undercover police were/are members of cossacks mc. Almost like police instigated the massacre?

How many lives ruined so far? Jobs and businesses lost, homes lost, even children custody lost over this.

And every one of those people on the deck who did nothing but run away are looking at 15 to life---for running away.

at 10 seconds in look at the guy bottom left who shakes his head as he walks away. He's looking at 15 to life for that.

One of the Bandidos, i think the first guy to post $1 million bail has demanded a speedy trial and looks like they are fighting all the way and want his case to be the test case, not let the DA force a plea bargain from some non-player in order to set precedent for everyone to be forced into following.

Good, hope he burns their ass! Too many being railroaded over NOTHING.

very long GQ article, released BEFORE the video came out, about the entire story


http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out

yes, some errors in there, but was glad to see it. IIRC both times they leaked video so far it was the day after a bunch of critical national press...