I am as big a fan of law and order as the next guy. But I don't want to see some law abiding person from a riding club, a Christian bike ministry, or what have you sent to jail simply because they attended some Confederation of Clubs meeting where some bad shit happened. I think the law abiding riding clubs (including law enforcement clubs!) send people to those meetings to head off trouble with the outlaw element. For someone like that to get charged is a miscarriage of justice.

I know this is off topic but, what's this about Freddi Gray being a "career criminal and drug peddling lowlife"?

I mean he was a career criminal, but he was a drug dealer.

He is basically saying he deserved a death sentence for selling drugs.

That is what happened Fleming. There is a list out there that listed all those in attendance and not all were 1%ers. Everyone but the Cossacks and Scimitars were invited. There has been more than one meeting at Twin Peaks and nothing was started.

And to those saying the cops were innocent and not pushing their luck with this, what about them telling Harley Davidson of Waco to close down (until they opened around lunch time today finally) causing workers to go unpaid until HD decided to pay them. Then they asked anyone wearing colors to "not ride" this week and be confused with "outlaw groups". Absolutely ridiculous. If I wasn't 12-13 hours away from Waco I'd have my Harley out there every damn day of the week. NOBODY is stopping me from getting on my bike and riding.

Now, in addition to this the police have issued a statement saying military Bandidos members are supplying club brothers with grenades and C-4, and also want to blow up police family members' cars.

Can the shit get any deeper?

Texas police are so militarized it's ridiculous.

Wow, what horseshit!!!

people seem up in arms over a bunch of drunken meth heads

bikers are as low on the organized crime totem pole as black crack peddlers

they might have a small tight-knit circle but their crimes are unsophisticated

@cook
In Europe they are pretty big players in the underworld. Especially in The Netherlands and Germany.

the sheeple have spoken

this ain't the Netherlands or Germany. America's motorcycling scene is unique. This is a civil rights matter in the United States. Crimes committed by motorcycle riders/clubs/gangs in other parts of the world have nothing to do with it.

I thought Bandidos ruled Texas, that's supposed to be their home state. Never heard of the Cossacks until this happened.

Cook said that bikers were on the low end of crime. Just gave the example that its different in Europe. I think its the same in Canada.

cook said a lot more than that in his post

They do. That is why they have been clashing. There were a number of instances of fights between the two breaking out, running each other off the roads...stealing bikes...etc

Cossacks were paying tribute to the Bandidos, but found out other Bandido support clubs either paid a lot less, or not at all.

So they said fuck the bandidos, and stopped paying all together and started wearing the texas rocker (a no no without bandido permission)

Wish I had the article still, it was very informative and listed all the clashes between the two

That's what I read too that the fights were allegedly caused by putting the Texas rocker on the patch and also someone had his foot either stomped on or run over which caused a fight.

Do you think this is what caused the fighting or is there more to it?

Edit: is that how you call it a rocker on the patch? I have no idea

Yes girl, the top rocker is the club and the bottom rocker is the location. Since the Bandidos own Texas, you have to get permission from them to fly a Texas bottom rocker hence the reason most of the clubs there list the county instead of "Texas".

Like Blackjack said the Bandidos had them paying tribute until they found out nobody else was and then they refused and started flying the Texas rocker. Big no-no in the m/c world and a major insult.

The Bandido pres stabbed two Cossacks I think it was and a Bandido was ran off the road and had his cut and bike stolen from him so things are heated between the two. Most Cossacks are AB as well and as has been mentioned they support the HA's too. So their feud is far from over for sure. Especially since they crashed the CoC party.

Thanks Dix for explaining things to me.

I heard the Cossacks were in the process of patching over the Scimitars...and to make things even murkier the Cossacks are looking to patch to 81.
Don't know if its true, just what I heard. If it is it wouldn't surprise me... this is the HA's MO. Finds a local club, give it backing to push back against locals and if it comes out patch em over and have a ready made presence in the state/territory.
Again...just what I heard!

law-abiding bike enthusiasts have no place associating with 1%ers

don't cry when the lion bites you if you purposely jumped into its cage

coalition of clubs is a complete scam if not a front for outlaws themselves

screw those 1% scumbags and ride on your own

there's nothing anti-conformist and rebellious about having to join a club to ride a bike

that looks more like the behavior of an insecure kid hoping to be "accepted" by the cool clique in junior high

and these insecure vandals supposedly rule east texas?

yeah right

cartels would wipe them all into the gulf if they were a serious threat

quoted for amazing display of intelligence

sounds like wearing colors "ala" crips and bloods

they were probably high off meth when the shoot out began

no way in hell they found 300 weapons and no fucking drugs on anybody

Yea no shit, talk about ignorance. Some of y'all need to read up on the CoC. Not all the m/c's there were 1%ers. Not even 1/4 of them were dumbasses. A good bit of them there were actually Christian m/c's.

Ivy I usually respect what you say but ur so far off base its fukn ridiculous. I've been raised around mc/s and there not all criminals. I have family that are pagans in md and warlocks in wva and there all law abiding people.you Wat to much s.o.a

You need to grow a brain. People should be given a medal for killing scumbag cops who think like you. Slapping a shiny badge on a bully pig doesn't give it the right to murder. I can't wait for the videos to come out and some pigs to be thrown in prison. Texas does like thugs, even those wearing badges.

I used to back the blue but too many thugs with badges now. Especially with the feds.

To label them all thugs is dumb.you have cops that break the law.the sheriff in my area is in hot water for missing drugs and money that he said "fell out of the safe into the trash and got thrown away".no bs that's his excuse....my uncle is the enforcer/sgt at arms for a chapter of the warlocks.he also works 12hours a day doing hvac and takes care of his sick wife.there not all thugs and criminals

these outlaw biker gangs or clubs should be dealt with gang injunctions and rico just like other streetgangs and oc groups

Exactly. There are plenty that are in 1% m/c's like you said that are NOT even criminals. Are the majority of some like the 81 or others crooks? Maybe. Are all of them crooks? Hell no. The guy that does most of the motor work on my Harley is in one, they are in a world of turmoil as they are possibly fixing to be patched over, but the only law he breaks is having too many to drink when he rides. Yes I know DUI is very serious but I've never seen him ride crazy while drinking and yes I know that is breaking the law. But does he run guns or drugs? Hell no. He busts his ass at work every day just like tommy said about the ones he knew.

So to think all the bikers at this meeting were a bunch of tweakers shooting at the law is ignorant. Yes a lot of them were/are criminals, but those Christian m/c's are always preaching peace and are never troublemakers.

Most of y'all are thinking this was the Bandidos, Hells Angels, Warlocks and Sons of Anarchy all meeting at once and fighting over turf and that is SO FAR from the truth.

Of the 170 men held on $1 million bail, about 115 of them have no criminal record. Most of the "weapons" found were pocket knives and wallet chains. Neither are illegal and most bikers use a wallet chain to keep from losing their wallet.

It's a week later and they still haven't released the autopsy reports saying who shot who. I bet the cops killed most if not all of them. The bikers killed took shots between the eyes or center body mass. I doubt a bunk of junkie bikers would be such good shots in an all out melee.