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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #839714
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Tough doesn't necessarily mean crime. You get straight-laced workers who never been inside but yet don't back down from a fight... then you get white-collar criminals who's toughest times in life were being hazed at Dartmouth

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Some of the posts on this board baffle me

For someone on the internet to type Carlo Gambino for christ sakes...and coward in the same sentence...

what the hell are you even talking about, kid?

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: pizzaboy] #839805
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Like PB always says, these are the threads that will eventually be the downfall of this site. What is the point of this thread? You don't get to the top spot in a crime family AND the commission by being a coward. You don't build the Gambino's into one of the strongest crime families with a coward at the helm.

But like I also say, If you feed it, it grows. You'll notice that this is my first serious post in this thread. And it's only because a friend mentioned my name wink.

And I'm gonna break my own rule and feed it anyway. But how the fuck is this thread still going?


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: pizzaboy] #839810
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Like PB always says, these are the threads that will eventually be the downfall of this site. What is the point of this thread? You don't get to the top spot in a crime family AND the commission by being a coward. You don't build the Gambino's into one of the strongest crime families with a coward at the helm.

But like I also say, If you feed it, it grows. You'll notice that this is my first serious post in this thread. And it's only because a friend mentioned my name wink.

And I'm gonna break my own rule and feed it anyway. But how the fuck is this thread still going?


Sorry, maybe it was my fault for bringing it to the top but I havent been on this board in a little while and just saw it

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: pizzaboy] #839839
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
And I'm gonna break my own rule and feed it anyway. But how the fuck is this thread still going?


Haha I knew you would cave in lol

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: dixiemafia] #839841
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And I'm gonna break my own rule and feed it anyway. But how the fuck is this thread still going?


Haha I knew you would cave in lol

It's the car wreck paradox, Dix. You just can't look away ohwell.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: pizzaboy] #839844
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
It's the car wreck paradox, Dix. You just can't look away ohwell.


Don't look at the light! panic

I can't help it! cry lol

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #839951
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I know some people in the United States love to hear how big their criminals are on the net etc etc but people from other places in the world do not rate mob people in the same way.

Joey Pyle a London Face said in his book he was dealing with Genovese and Gambino crime families in New York over the years, he said he once went to an other part of the United States and that people was talking about been pick up by the feds and how you had to give the feds something to keep them happy, he said mob people in the United States was weak.

Frank Tieri was the Boss and Pyle had meeting with him on deals with music industry, it had been said by others but not Pyle in his book they was dealing in the cannabis trade.

Carlo has been called a coward in books in the passed so get over it opinion post that's it.

I think the mob in the United States are not what you guys make them out to be on here everyday of the week mob guys are as Joey Pyle says weak.

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I know some people in the United States love to hear how big their criminals are on the net etc etc but people from other places in the world do not rate mob people in the same way.

Joey Pyle a London Face said in his book he was dealing with Genovese and Gambino crime families in New York over the years, he said he once went to an other part of the United States and that people was talking about been pick up by the feds and how you had to give the feds something to keep them happy, he said mob people in the United States was weak.

Frank Tieri was the Boss and Pyle had meeting with him on deals with music industry, it had been said by others but not Pyle in his book they was dealing in the cannabis trade.

Carlo has been called a coward in books in the passed so get over it opinion post that's it.

I think the mob in the United States are not what you guys make them out to be on here everyday of the week mob guys are as Joey Pyle says weak.

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #839971
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Maybe it has something to do with the stupid and effortless way you phrased your question when making the thread? If you had actually elaborated and specified your question as in "Was Carlo considered a coward out in the streets before he became boss?" or something like that, maybe you would have gotten more serious replies.

As for Joey Pyle, I don't know about him.. he thinks they're weak? Weak how? As in brutality? They're about making money first, not scaring the shit out of people and getting unnecessary notoriety/heat from the feds. If you want more brutality then read more on the cartels, the Russians etc. I'm sure your Joey Pyle is a sissy compared to them.


-I shot him a coupla' times.
-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: Malandrino] #839978
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Great post, Malandrino. Especially because you're a fellow European to this guy.




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coward is a bad term, not to be used with CN guys, if a guy gets reprimanded by his captain or a captain by his boss and does not kill him and other people involved are they a coward ?or if a relative or best friend of yours is killed with an o.k. from the bosses and you do nothing are you a coward..?

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he was shrewd, not a coward.

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #839996
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I wonder what happened to all the money he amassed. surely he was one of the richest bosses.

I guess it all went to his family, but, this belongs on another thread. sorry....



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Originally Posted By: Malandrino
Maybe it has something to do with the stupid and effortless way you phrased your question when making the thread? If you had actually elaborated and specified your question as in "Was Carlo considered a coward out in the streets before he became boss?" or something like that, maybe you would have gotten more serious replies.

As for Joey Pyle, I don't know about him.. he thinks they're weak? Weak how? As in brutality? They're about making money first, not scaring the shit out of people and getting unnecessary notoriety/heat from the feds. If you want more brutality then read more on the cartels, the Russians etc. I'm sure your Joey Pyle is a sissy compared to them.


Joey Pyle a London Face said in his book he was dealing with Genovese and Gambino crime families in New York over the years, he said he once went to an other part of the United States and that people was talking about been pick up by the feds and how you had to give the feds something to keep them happy, he said mob people in the United States was weak.

So if you want to go back to what i said in my post, when mob guys got picked up by the FEDS they was weak and gave info to keep them happy.

Now Joey was good mates with Wilf Pine, Pine was mate with captain Joey Pagano in New York, Pagano ask Pine did he know anyone in England to work with and he took Joey Pyle over to the United States.

Now what they got up to for real ? they never said in there books as you know they would have been arrested in the United States, Wilf Pine was black sabbath manager Frank Tieri wanted into the music industry and was giving Pine money to do so 1970's and 80's we are talking about here.


Joe Pyle Tribute Night - with True Crime Legends - Part 1

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Mafia man Wilf Pine’s cash surprise.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mafia-man-wilf-pines-cash-1460841

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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: bronx] #840011
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Originally Posted By: bronx
coward is a bad term, not to be used with CN guys, if a guy gets reprimanded by his captain or a captain by his boss and does not kill him and other people involved are they a coward ?or if a relative or best friend of yours is killed with an o.k. from the bosses and you do nothing are you a coward..?

On point.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: pizzaboy] #840023
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It's a ridiculous thread, but just as a reminder of how "lightly" the Genovese guys took Carlo, the good old: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=94973&relPageId=1

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #840050
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Carlo Gambino after hearing the question.

https://youtu.be/r2BJiD529-o?t=17s


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: Belette] #840057
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Great document. Eboli seems to suggest Catena was in over his head. Seems to go against everything we've ever heard about Catena. Was he seen as an ineffective boss? Also fascinating how they interacted with Chicago (Mooney) and New Orleans (Marcello).

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great documents, makes for good reading. puzzling question is why didn't bonanno ever come in when he was ordered to, seems like the people talking here about it think he was never told.



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No.


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Originally Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari
No.

That should have been the first and last answer to the question, and then the thread should have been locked.


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Originally Posted By: Belette
It's a ridiculous thread, but just as a reminder of how "lightly" the Genovese guys took Carlo, the good old: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=94973&relPageId=1


Carlo wanted the club we do not know the facts he may have just been right on the matter of the club.

Bonanno was not killed for not going to meeting if he knew about it or not, getting a person to walk by to put the shit's up Genovese guys took a lot of balls ? i do not think so.

The Genovese guy doing all the talking was killed after this maybe he was talking to much.

Anyway Tommy Lucchese daughter Frances was with Carlo Gambino's oldest son and were married so they was as thick as thieves.

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Originally Posted By: abc123
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Boss of organized crime family is definitely a coward,oh god are you serious with these questions ?!


Big Paul Castellano ring a bell.


Let me put it like this. If Big Paul were a coward, he would probably be around today. It's the very fact that he wasn't scared, that did him in.

Now Gotti? That was a scary dude in some respects. He would've never went down like Castellano because he would've been scared to death and would've taken any and all preventive measures to avert a Sparks Steakhouse type event.


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I guess I liked the view of the car wreck ...sooo here it goes...the idea that mob guys, in general, are weak or cowardly is just absolutely ridiculous...they are many things....pathological liars, manipulative narcissists, sociopaths, etc...but as a rule, I wouldn't call one of them a coward without a lot of distance between them and myself. I have been around some that can absolutely make your blood run cold in a matter of seconds...they would as soon kill you as say hello to you while others are better at hiding that behavior. I have seen "rule breakers" beaten to a pulp by their "friends" then scooped up and taken to the hospital, and then visited by the same guys that just beat the hell out of them the next day. These aren't boy scouts and aren't the romanticized version you see on TV.

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Originally Posted By: oldschool3
I guess I liked the view of the car wreck ...sooo here it goes...the idea that mob guys, in general, are weak or cowardly is just absolutely ridiculous...they are many things....pathological liars, manipulative narcissists, sociopaths, etc...but as a rule, I wouldn't call one of them a coward without a lot of distance between them and myself. I have been around some that can absolutely make your blood run cold in a matter of seconds...they would as soon kill you as say hello to you while others are better at hiding that behavior. I have seen "rule breakers" beaten to a pulp by their "friends" then scooped up and taken to the hospital, and then visited by the same guys that just beat the hell out of them the next day. These aren't boy scouts and aren't the romanticized version you see on TV.



Ain't that the truth. This post you have here should be part of the terms of signing up for a site like the bb. After a user creates his/her user name and password your post should be underneath it having the user select yes I agree and understand this post. I mean seriously how many ppl on here actually know a guy in the life or even a street guy. Very few.

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Originally Posted By: abc123

I know some people in the United States love to hear how big their criminals are on the net etc etc but people from other places in the world do not rate mob people in the same way.

Joey Pyle a London Face said in his book he was dealing with Genovese and Gambino crime families in New York over the years, he said he once went to an other part of the United States and that people was talking about been pick up by the feds and how you had to give the feds something to keep them happy, he said mob people in the United States was weak.

Frank Tieri was the Boss and Pyle had meeting with him on deals with music industry, it had been said by others but not Pyle in his book they was dealing in the cannabis trade.

Carlo has been called a coward in books in the passed so get over it opinion post that's it.

I think the mob in the United States are not what you guys make them out to be on here everyday of the week mob guys are as Joey Pyle says weak.



You're that Macedonian homer from the RD forum aren't you?

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Originally Posted By: abc123

I know some people in the United States love to hear how big their criminals are on the net etc etc but people from other places in the world do not rate mob people in the same way.

Joey Pyle a London Face said in his book he was dealing with Genovese and Gambino crime families in New York over the years, he said he once went to an other part of the United States and that people was talking about been pick up by the feds and how you had to give the feds something to keep them happy, he said mob people in the United States was weak.

Frank Tieri was the Boss and Pyle had meeting with him on deals with music industry, it had been said by others but not Pyle in his book they was dealing in the cannabis trade.

Carlo has been called a coward in books in the passed so get over it opinion post that's it.

I think the mob in the United States are not what you guys make them out to be on here everyday of the week mob guys are as Joey Pyle says weak.



You're that Macedonian homer from the RD forum aren't you?
No. i only post on this site and most of the time on Irish stuff.

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Don Carlo was a Mastermind.
He never served a jail sentence (though perhaps in todays world/legal system he might)
He was THE boss.
He didn't need to be a brave "warrior" - he had an army of minions to do his bidding.

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Originally Posted By: GaryH
Don Carlo was a Mastermind.
He never served a jail sentence (though perhaps in todays world/legal system he might)
He was THE boss.
He didn't need to be a brave "warrior" - he had an army of minions to do his bidding.


Mastermind? A bit much, no? Carlo and the rest of the old time bosses did not have to contend with RICO. If they had, they would have all been in jail. He had that luxury and lived a quiet life. He's no smarter than Russell Bufalino, Joe Zerilli, Tony Accardo, John Scalish, John LaRocca, Jimmy Lanza, Joe Todaro, Angelo Bruno or Stefano Maggadino. He was just more well known because there was more written on NY families.


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