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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Footreads] #836697
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Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
not another bush, god help us, NOT ANOTHER BUSh!!!


I really think all you know about him is his last name my brother.


foots, hell, that's all anyone needs to know.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: GOP 2016 [Re: pizzaboy] #836699
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LOL Ouch!

And Pizza, and I'm in that minority with you. Democrats actually don't like Hillary very much, but she never got the memo. I'll tell you what she is really thinking...

She is thinking she can get by on the woman vote which is greater in numbers than the man vote.

That's what she thinks is really "up her sleeve".

Problem is, women don't like her much either.


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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Alfa Romeo] #836704
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Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Problem is, women don't like her much either.

Nail...on...the...head.

My wife and two adult daughters are all strong, educated women. And none of them can stand the sight of her.


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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Binnie_Coll] #836706
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: moneyman
if a republican gets elected its gonna take a guy who is liberal socially no way around it... too hard to pull in younger votes in urban areas



I agree with you entirely, why do people forget the Hispanic vote? the Hispanic voting numbers have increased far more than any other voting bloc.


and millions reside in states with high electoral votes. texas, and California for two. they do not vote republican.


Again, this presupposes that hispanics are social liberals. Are you kidding me? California voters (alot of hispanics) passed a traditional marriage amendment. Yes, California!

As far as Texas, take a look at the hispanic vote in the 2014 gubernatorial election. Governor Abbot, who has a Hispanic wife, received 44% of the hispanic vote.

Re: GOP 2016 [Re: pizzaboy] #836707
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Problem is, women don't like her much either.

Nail...on...the...head.

My wife and two adult daughters are all strong, educated women. And none of them can stand the sight of her.


Unpopular, polarizing and an attitude of entitlement. In my opinion, perfectly describes Hillary. At times, she is her own worst enemy. Her past dictates a cloud of doubt with everything she is involved with... justified or not. I think she has more of an uphill battle than she realizes.

Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Alfa Romeo] #836710
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Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Democrates are the party of the poor because they want the poor to stay poor. They want the middle class to be poor/ middle class.

They don't want the middle class to big upper middle class.

They want older people like myself to be scared sheep afraid of everything. Afraid of losing social security.

The only reason they want Mexicans to flood I to this country is because they think they will vote democrates.


We have different opinions, so I'll address each point of yours, point by point.

It's not the Democrats that are trying to keep anyone poor or middle class to stop them from reaching upper class. The Democrats are the pro education party. They believe that education should be subsidized either partly or wholly by the government, for those who can't afford to pay. They feel it's the government's responsibility to edify its citizens because the governments money is really the people's money (taxes). Therefore taxes ought to be used to uplift the people. The Republicans seem to believe that if you can't afford to pay for an education, that you don't have any business trying to go to school to better yourself....but they will still punish you for remaining a member of the lower classes.

Social Security. The Democrats want to shore up the Social Security trust fund and leave it as is. It is the Republicans who want to get rid of that and instead have everyone invested in private retirement investment accounts. This of course floods Wall Street with more dumb money and it makes the Republicans and their friends even richer. It also endangers the security of our elders and makes them vulnerable to the fickle swings of the stock markets.

I could actually support the idea of private investment accounts instead of social security if we pass a law that says that after x number of years as a publicly traded company, a company MUST pay cash dividends to all shareholders. And not a paltry dividend either. More like in the range of + or - 10%. Stocks that pay dividends are far stronger of a foundation to rely on as a safety net than a security that pays little to no dividends. During stock market crashes and corrections, stocks that pay dividends display great buoyancy, for the simple fact that no one will sell you their shares for free. Dividend paying stocks are actually worth real money.

Mexico.

The Democrats might be in favor of illegal immigration more so because they are afraid of losing the future Hispanic vote to the Republican party. What they are not farsighted enough to see, is that if they keep enabling illegal immigration, eventually, the Hispanics in their districts will replace then with Hispanic Congressmen and Senators. So it's counter intuitive. You think you are saving your job, but you are losing it by engaging in nonsense that you think will keep you in Washington DC longer.


Any one with the grades can go to any college they can get in now. Between school grants and other things that the government already gives you you can go..

You just might have to pay some of it in low interest loans after you graduate and find a job. That is a fact even the poor can go.

Don't raise the retirement age SS will collapse.

Half the people in this country do not pay any taxes.


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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Binnie_Coll] #836711
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
not another bush, god help us, NOT ANOTHER BUSh!!!


I really think all you know about him is his last name my brother.


foots, hell, that's all anyone needs to know.


Yeah the less people know the better right?


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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Footreads] #836713
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Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Democrates are the party of the poor because they want the poor to stay poor. They want the middle class to be poor/ middle class.

They don't want the middle class to big upper middle class.

They want older people like myself to be scared sheep afraid of everything. Afraid of losing social security.

The only reason they want Mexicans to flood I to this country is because they think they will vote democrates.


We have different opinions, so I'll address each point of yours, point by point.

It's not the Democrats that are trying to keep anyone poor or middle class to stop them from reaching upper class. The Democrats are the pro education party. They believe that education should be subsidized either partly or wholly by the government, for those who can't afford to pay. They feel it's the government's responsibility to edify its citizens because the governments money is really the people's money (taxes). Therefore taxes ought to be used to uplift the people. The Republicans seem to believe that if you can't afford to pay for an education, that you don't have any business trying to go to school to better yourself....but they will still punish you for remaining a member of the lower classes.

Social Security. The Democrats want to shore up the Social Security trust fund and leave it as is. It is the Republicans who want to get rid of that and instead have everyone invested in private retirement investment accounts. This of course floods Wall Street with more dumb money and it makes the Republicans and their friends even richer. It also endangers the security of our elders and makes them vulnerable to the fickle swings of the stock markets.

I could actually support the idea of private investment accounts instead of social security if we pass a law that says that after x number of years as a publicly traded company, a company MUST pay cash dividends to all shareholders. And not a paltry dividend either. More like in the range of + or - 10%. Stocks that pay dividends are far stronger of a foundation to rely on as a safety net than a security that pays little to no dividends. During stock market crashes and corrections, stocks that pay dividends display great buoyancy, for the simple fact that no one will sell you their shares for free. Dividend paying stocks are actually worth real money.

Mexico.

The Democrats might be in favor of illegal immigration more so because they are afraid of losing the future Hispanic vote to the Republican party. What they are not farsighted enough to see, is that if they keep enabling illegal immigration, eventually, the Hispanics in their districts will replace then with Hispanic Congressmen and Senators. So it's counter intuitive. You think you are saving your job, but you are losing it by engaging in nonsense that you think will keep you in Washington DC longer.


Any one with the grades can go to any college they can get in now. Between school grants and other things that the government already gives you you can go..

You just might have to pay some of it in low interest loans after you graduate and find a job. That is a fact even the poor can go.

Don't raise the retirement age SS will collapse.

Half the people in this country do not pay any taxes.


Exactly, anyone can go to college, all you need is loans. And as far as the grades, i slightly disagree. Because thanks to programs like affirmative action, even kids with bad grades can get in.

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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: ItalianForever] #836724
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Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Again, this presupposes that hispanics are social liberals. Are you kidding me? California voters (alot of hispanics) passed a traditional marriage amendment. Yes, California!

And what about the Cubans, the MOST conservative Latino group?

They're overwhelmingly Catholic, anti-abortion, and with the possibility of easier immigration being thrown into the mix, Florida could easily become a Red State again (they're calling it purple now, whatever the Hell that means).

The Florida Cubans only started voting Democrat to begin with because they want to be able to come here legally. Do you really think that once they're here that they'll owe any allegiance to the Democrats? Please. They'll revert right back to their Conservative Catholic beliefs. And why shouldn't they? They're decent, God fearing people. They're a lot like Italians in many ways.

But it's not even Binnie's fault (and I mean that, Binnie). He lives in a bubble. These are the actual numbers from Idaho's 2010 census:

89.1% of the population was White American
0.6% Black or African American
1.4% American Indian and Alaska Native
1.2% Asian American
0.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander
2.5% of two or more races
5.1% other


So no offense, Binnie. But you telling New Yorkers, Californians and Floridians about Latinos, is like me telling you about bass fishing or spending the day at Walmart.


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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: pizzaboy] #836728
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And what about the Cubans, the MOST conservative Latino group?

joey diaz says... cool



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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: pizzaboy] #836729
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Again, this presupposes that hispanics are social liberals. Are you kidding me? California voters (alot of hispanics) passed a traditional marriage amendment. Yes, California!

And what about the Cubans, the MOST conservative Latino group?

They're overwhelmingly Catholic, anti-abortion, and with the possibility of easier immigration being thrown into the mix, Florida could easily become a Red State again (they're calling it purple now, whatever the Hell that means).

The Florida Cubans only started voting Democrat to begin with because they want to be able to come here legally. Do you really think that once they're here that they'll owe any allegiance to the Democrats? Please. They'll revert right back to their Conservative Catholic beliefs. And why shouldn't they? They're decent, God fearing people. They're a lot like Italians in many ways.

But it's not even Binnie's fault (and I mean that, Binnie). He lives in a bubble. These are the actual numbers from Idaho's 2010 census:

89.1% of the population was White American
0.6% Black or African American
1.4% American Indian and Alaska Native
1.2% Asian American
0.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander
2.5% of two or more races
5.1% other


So no offense, Binnie. But you telling New Yorkers, Californians and Floridians about Latinos, is like me telling you about bass fishing or spending the day at Walmart.


Agree. Very well said. Why can't our elected officials speak so plainly.

We need a common scence Party.

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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: pizzaboy] #836743
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Again, this presupposes that hispanics are social liberals. Are you kidding me? California voters (alot of hispanics) passed a traditional marriage amendment. Yes, California!

And what about the Cubans, the MOST conservative Latino group?

They're overwhelmingly Catholic, anti-abortion, and with the possibility of easier immigration being thrown into the mix, Florida could easily become a Red State again (they're calling it purple now, whatever the Hell that means).

The Florida Cubans only started voting Democrat to begin with because they want to be able to come here legally. Do you really think that once they're here that they'll owe any allegiance to the Democrats? Please. They'll revert right back to their Conservative Catholic beliefs. And why shouldn't they? They're decent, God fearing people. They're a lot like Italians in many ways.

But it's not even Binnie's fault (and I mean that, Binnie). He lives in a bubble. These are the actual numbers from Idaho's 2010 census:

89.1% of the population was White American
0.6% Black or African American
1.4% American Indian and Alaska Native
1.2% Asian American
0.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander
2.5% of two or more races
5.1% other


So no offense, Binnie. But you telling New Yorkers, Californians and Floridians about Latinos, is like me telling you about bass fishing or spending the day at Walmart.



I wasn't talking about Idaho, I meant nationwide. by the way Idaho is now 92% white. minorities don't like Idaho.



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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: Binnie_Coll] #836744
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
I wasn't talking about Idaho, I meant nationwide. by the way Idaho is now 92% white. minorities don't like Idaho.

And I'll bet the 92% just love minorities. Call it a hunch.


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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: thedudeabides87] #836746
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now... pb. Idahoans are Christians, and we love everybody, all people are god's children.

shame on you for thinking that. we are perfect people up here in the mountains. I can see a deer in the road as I type.

can you see a deer?? http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/images/moods/default/happy.gif



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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: thedudeabides87] #836747
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How's Idaho? How are the gun laws? Thinking about where to go when i retire.

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Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
How's Idaho? How are the gun laws? Thinking about where to go when i retire.


gun laws are federal in buying one, but, here in Idaho concealed carry permits can be easy to get if you don't have a felony. everybody loves Idaho when they see it.

mild winter this year,three days of snow only, amost 70 degrees today.



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Re: GOP 2016 [Re: thedudeabides87] #836757
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What else is Idaho famous for besides Potatoe's?


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i hope you guys are right regarding young voters in urban areas ... my intuition is that whites 18-35 in major urban areas are socially liberal but would be receptive to balanced budget arguments

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Originally Posted By: moneyman
i hope you guys are right regarding young voters in urban areas ... my intuition is that whites 18-35 in major urban areas are socially liberal but would be receptive to balanced budget arguments


You didn't say whites. What is the youth's obsession with gay marriage and abortion? Such wedge issues, only meant to distract from the fact that 37% of people are out of the work force. What good is a gay wedding if you can't afford to buy the couple a present?

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you are right, I didn't mention whites... regardless in my experience wedge issues like gay marriage are much more popular issues to talk about than budget issues etc... IMO people 18-35 are for the most part stupid or oblivious to rising national debt, rising interest rates, unemployment etc. it's unfortunate but i believe it to be true you say obama gives everyone free healthcare and eliminates student loan debts and he becomes a saint

basically what im saying is for a republican to appeal to young voters you need a guy who doesnt give a shit about social issues and talks about how much of a fuck up obama is regarding national debt, unemployment and foreign relations etc.. its too easy for the media to spin a republican as anti gay rights or anti women or whatever... IMO that turns the majority of young people off...

It pisses me off that my generation (im 26) will not have medicare or social security or maybe even jobs in the future because democrats leverage bullshit wedge issues for their awful financial policies that bankrupt everything....

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Originally Posted By: moneyman
IMO people 18-35 are for the most part stupid or oblivious to rising national debt, rising interest rates, unemployment etc.


Really? They are oblivious to the fact they aren't working?

As far as the youth vote. I think you will be surprised by Rand Paul's appeal to the youth voter. As for me, I will vote for anyone without a D after their name. I have a son in his teens who I fear may have a very hard time in this country. I don't view him being on ebt for life as a "success".

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we will have to agree to disagree, I hope that you are right...

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Originally Posted By: Footreads
What else is Idaho famous for besides Potatoe's?


milionaires, they all come here, a lot per capita here, they like all white people. not many states have 92% white American.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Footreads
What else is Idaho famous for besides Potatoe's?


milionaires, they all come here, a lot per capita here, they like all white people. not many states have 92% white American.


I was in Spokane Wa for a few months in 2011, a lot of wheat fields once you leave the city I only traveled west though. Many wheat fields when you travel east over to Idaho?


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yes, and many forests, no traffic, peaceful.



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Originally Posted By: Footreads
What else is Idaho famous for besides Potatoe's?



Checkers


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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
Originally Posted By: Footreads
What else is Idaho famous for besides Potatoe's?


milionaires, they all come here, a lot per capita here, they like all white people. not many states have 92% white American.



Idaho isn't even in the top ten.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101338309


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And why would anyone want to live where 92% of the people are the same race? I can see if you're from there. But why go there on purpose? Seems counter intuitive if you want to be cultured and well rounded with a broad range of knowledge. That usually comes from travel, reading, and being around different types of people.


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Originally Posted By: cheech
And why would anyone want to live where 92% of the people are the same race? I can see if you're from there. But why go there on purpose? Seems counter intuitive if you want to be cultured and well rounded with a broad range of knowledge. That usually comes from travel, reading, and being around different types of people.



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