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How do they communicate now days? #834127
03/23/15 01:41 AM
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Reading Five Families its a phenomenal book..

But im half way through where they are going over the commission case. It had me thinking.. Do mob social clubs still exist? Seems like a bad idea to me, if I were one of those goons.

Also.. how do they even communicate now days? Is it strictly walk and talks in malls or other public places? I mean the feds got to their personal homes, their cars, their clubs, the favorite table in a restaurant they like to eat. The feds proved to be able to bug basically anywhere they go. How do they do it now days?

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Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #834128
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Social Clubs are pretty much a thing of of the past Walkner,
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-mafia-social-clubs-gallery-1.13765

As for communications, that has always been a problem but its even worse today. The Feds can bug anywhere, tap any type of phone, fax and computer. There are informants wearing wires and cameras. Undercovers that don't lookor act like cops.They have Boom Mikes etc. you name it, they have it and if they don't, they'll build it.
Look at what just happened to the DeCalvalcantes in NJ? These guys just don't learn.

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Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Beanshooter] #834144
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Thanks for the article. It seems like that if you are going to be a mobster, particularly if you are a boss, you would have everyone that you have to have a sit down with strip searched prior to talking business.

With the amount of time most of the current alleged bosses have been running things without charges, they have to be doing something like that. I guess we will find out 15-20 years from now.

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walk and talks

Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #834222
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Many use hand signals.

Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #834258
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Like Joe Pesci in Casino, cover your mouth and meet in very, very crowded noisy places.

Didn't Chin call some guy up to apt once and they went in the bathroom and the shower was running or something like that


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Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Mark] #835397
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Originally Posted By: Mark
Many use hand signals.


This


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Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #835436
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Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #835470
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Provenzano used the pizzini (pieces of paper)with the names of several mobsters who were hiding by numbers (for example say to 12 to talk to 40) or by biblical names, using a bible that only provenzano had (and that was seized), however the code of the Pizzini, wasn't never fully deciphered.

Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #836213
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If I were a high ranking member in LCN, I would recognize that if technology has been destroying the families for years, I would then use technology to build ourselves back up.

My idea:

If I were the boss, I would have a designated place to talk business with trusted people......Some room, any room but, in that room would be 2 computers, not wired into the net AND, both computers would have a keyboard and headphones. Now when 1 person types their inquiry on 1 computer, the other computer would speak my text into THEIR headphones.....In return, they would reply via keyboard and, I would hear what they typed, in computer voices....Simple, right?....How can anyone get caught?, especially if I am communicating with laptops and headphones that are ALWAYS in my possession and never linked to the net?....Wifi cards would be ripped out.

A simple headphone out jack from my computer to his would allow flawless communication.....The text to speech technology may have even be available in Gotti's day...I remember it did exist in the apple computers in 1993 I think.

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can keystrokes be traced if they get it?

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What if they manage to get a keylogger on those computers? they can bug any place they want so why couldn't they be able to do the same to a computer.

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i think they need to write on pieces of paper and burn them right after. Only when in the same room with each other, of course.

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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
If I were a high ranking member in LCN, I would recognize that if technology has been destroying the families for years, I would then use technology to build ourselves back up.

My idea:

If I were the boss, I would have a designated place to talk business with trusted people......Some room, any room but, in that room would be 2 computers, not wired into the net AND, both computers would have a keyboard and headphones. Now when 1 person types their inquiry on 1 computer, the other computer would speak my text into THEIR headphones.....In return, they would reply via keyboard and, I would hear what they typed, in computer voices....Simple, right?....How can anyone get caught?, especially if I am communicating with laptops and headphones that are ALWAYS in my possession and never linked to the net?....Wifi cards would be ripped out.

A simple headphone out jack from my computer to his would allow flawless communication.....The text to speech technology may have even be available in Gotti's day...I remember it did exist in the apple computers in 1993 I think.


Too complicated, I just can't imagine any of the older guys doing this. In the end it's just a more complex version of:

Originally Posted By: alicecooper
i think they need to write on pieces of paper and burn them right after. Only when in the same room with each other, of course.


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-What's a couple?
-Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times?
-Maybe fifteen?
-Hmm, it could've been fifteen...

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A keylogger? A computer system?

Lol.

Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: Walkner] #836258
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The old time bookies used to use something called flash paper. It burns in a half a second and leaves no ash.

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The boss of the Detriot Family Uses a walk in freezer where previous bugs won't survive due to the temperature . I'm pretty sure the Feds found a way around it since this got out but it work or might even still be working .

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probably a code and yea walk and talk.


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Re: How do they communicate now days? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #860146
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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
If I were a high ranking member in LCN, I would recognize that if technology has been destroying the families for years, I would then use technology to build ourselves back up.

My idea:

If I were the boss, I would have a designated place to talk business with trusted people......Some room, any room but, in that room would be 2 computers, not wired into the net AND, both computers would have a keyboard and headphones. Now when 1 person types their inquiry on 1 computer, the other computer would speak my text into THEIR headphones.....In return, they would reply via keyboard and, I would hear what they typed, in computer voices....Simple, right?....How can anyone get caught?, especially if I am communicating with laptops and headphones that are ALWAYS in my possession and never linked to the net?....Wifi cards would be ripped out.

A simple headphone out jack from my computer to his would allow flawless communication.....The text to speech technology may have even be available in Gotti's day...I remember it did exist in the apple computers in 1993 I think.


hahahahahahaha

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Follow the rules set by Tommy Karate Pitera:

Never have group meetings in which you pontificate on matters big and small. Only One on Ones. Use walk and talk or speak in the car making sure that you are not being tailed and that the radio is blasting. If you have a club/bar that the public may walk into, make the prices high for strangers that may wander in so they leave quickly. If you don't know the person you are being introduced to from the neighborhood, you don't want to know them. Keep a quiet profile at home, no loud parties, no multiple people coming and going.Avoid publicity! fighting posing, etc will get the attention of the FBI, in other words, do the opposite of everything John Gotti did.


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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
If I were a high ranking member in LCN, I would recognize that if technology has been destroying the families for years, I would then use technology to build ourselves back up.

My idea:

If I were the boss, I would have a designated place to talk business with trusted people......Some room, any room but, in that room would be 2 computers, not wired into the net AND, both computers would have a keyboard and headphones. Now when 1 person types their inquiry on 1 computer, the other computer would speak my text into THEIR headphones.....In return, they would reply via keyboard and, I would hear what they typed, in computer voices....Simple, right?....How can anyone get caught?, especially if I am communicating with laptops and headphones that are ALWAYS in my possession and never linked to the net?....Wifi cards would be ripped out.

A simple headphone out jack from my computer to his would allow flawless communication.....The text to speech technology may have even be available in Gotti's day...I remember it did exist in the apple computers in 1993 I think.


If the feds can plant a bug, they can plant a keylogger.

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I mean paper and burning seems ok if you can. maybe invisible ink? I thnk the Aryan brotherhood sent out messages hidden written in urine. Ive also heard of people like making an email that they and one other person have the account login info. when they need to tell the other something they will write a draft email not send it and then the other person can log in and read the draft. not perferct by any means Im guessin.

I know in Canada they mafia I think had issues recently when blackberry messages were retrieved and they thought that was very secure. There are new apps to for texting that don't store messages and delte them pretty fast but still. hand signals? code. smoke signals? plane flybys?


Maybe they all get carrier pigeons from Migliore to deliver messages?

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Originally Posted By: Walkner
Thanks for the article. It seems like that if you are going to be a mobster, particularly if you are a boss, you would have everyone that you have to have a sit down with strip searched prior to talking business.

With the amount of time most of the current alleged bosses have been running things without charges, they have to be doing something like that. I guess we will find out 15-20 years from now.
Basciano tried something like this - strip search- before meetings and it seemed to alienate his troops

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The smart ones use an Etch a Sketch.

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Didn't Gigante's daughter write about how she remembered him sitting with men at the kitchen table and they'd write notes to each other on little pieces of scrap paper.

That seems like a fairly solid way of communicating as long as the notes are properly burned afterwards.

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I would imagine the best way nowadays is to write shit down then burn them, like others have said. There is no way in hell I would send anything via text or email. I would be terrified even talking on a burner phone.


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