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Gotti JR .. Proffer #827437
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Is it possible the fbi requested this session and Carnese ( gotti jr lawyer) wanted to kind of feel out the feds, see if they show their hand? Is it possible they requested it and JR went on the advice of his attorney and never intended to cooperate? Something tells me JR did not ever intend to cooperate.

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Originally Posted By: Crash
Is it possible the fbi requested this session and Carnese ( gotti jr lawyer) wanted to kind of feel out the feds, see if they show their hand? Is it possible they requested it and JR went on the advice of his attorney and never intended to cooperate? Something tells me JR did not ever intend to cooperate.


Carnese wasn't even there he was with Jeffery Lictman. He knew Carnesi would tell everyone which he did he went n told danny n jimmy n

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I know its a little late, but very recent Junior Gotti radio interview....

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2...related_stories

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Originally Posted By: Crash
Is it possible the fbi requested this session and Carnese ( gotti jr lawyer) wanted to kind of feel out the feds, see if they show their hand? Is it possible they requested it and JR went on the advice of his attorney and never intended to cooperate? Something tells me JR did not ever intend to cooperate.

I doubt it. What I think happened is this:

Junior offered his services as a C.I. on the condition that he never had to testify. Don't forget that at that point he still could have come out with at least one stripe, even if they broke him down from skipper. So he probably could have been a useful informant.

But the Feds didn't want a Gotti as a C.I. They wanted Junior on the stand to belittle his father's memory, even in death. Junior couldn't go that route, the deal fell through, and the Feds let the 302 slip for spite. It's just their style.

So technically Junior didn't go through with ratting. But I'm convinced that he offered his services as a C.I. That the Feds wouldn't go for it is neither here nor there. He offered his services. End of story.

This gives me no pleasure, but Junior can only blame himself for a lot of this stuff. He abused Willie when they were being held in Valhalla (even though Willie would have broken him in half if it was a square street fight without fear of repercussion). Junior backed Willie into a corner and turned him into a rat. I don't condone what Willie did. But I do understand why he did it. Junior and Greg were going to hang him out on front street.

Junior also bought into Greg's line of bullshit when they tried to squeeze Tore out, and it backfired. And poor Craig DePalma I don't even want to get into. The kid had no business in the life. But that's neither here nor there, either.


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Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: Crash] #827519
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well said , you can throw mike sergio in there also.. craig "rest in peace" once given immunity in atlanta gave info up to the grand jury, the ausa told him and his lawyer were going to use it for investigations only, never come out. bullshitted him.. the guy could not handle prison.he hoped he would say things about scores , gold club JR and scars.. The G gave up the grand jury to public.. JR did the same thing as Craig..did he not think they would do that to him?alite got his hands on a few 302's ..if the G would have leaked it, the heavy stuff would have come out.. corozzos #1..castellano shooters, all the violence.. for my money there are plenty more 302's.. if JR lost at trial...he flips before he hits the bullpen..he had that insurance card or get out of jail card waiting..

Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: Crash] #827522
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Bronx, so if jr gotti lost at trial, he would have flipped? what a dirty 1OO% pure dog. im glad I didn't buy his book, I don't want that dog to make a nickel off of me. I hope somebody whacks the dog.



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Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: bronx] #827523
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Originally Posted By: bronx
well said , you can throw mike sergio in there also.

Thanks, Bronx. You and I are usually on the same page. And you're spot-on about Mikey Hop. But his son Steven was a retard and a rat himself, so father and son have to share that responsibility. The apple falling from the tree and all that.


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has he come out to defend himself against the 302s he was on a book tour and once this paperwork became public not a squeak. yaeh im guessing uncle pete Richard gene and there 10 made kids probably have to disown him or there doing all these jail bids for shit. all the gotti took there oaths and prison terms and jr tried to wiggle out. that's a awkard thankgiving. don't answer the phone that day.

Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: pizzaboy] #827546
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very true

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Hello Binnie, just my observation, he did go into the G , that shows weakness, if he got cold feet or as Pizza said tried to propose being a C.I., give up info and make a better plea deal, once the G had a gotti in their office, no way they would not go full bore on him putting his hand up, once you step in that room .you ratted..no way back..the street finds out ,you become a major liability..guys have been killed for less .. i'm 100 % he flips if convicted..he had plea deals on the table each trial . i'm sure in trial 2 and 3 the deals got better..he probably could have taken a pound.

Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: Crash] #827554
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So let me see if I understand this PB and Bronx, on the Scores case the following ratted:
Willie Marshall
Sergio
Mikey Hop
Craig DePalma
Joh Gotti Jr
Mickey Scars
Fat Pete

The only one that didn't was Greg DePalma and Locasio?

Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: Crash] #827558
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Sorry,"Deadlock Don"....a proffer is a proffer is a proffer.


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Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: Beanshooter] #827561
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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
So let me see if I understand this PB and Bronx, on the Scores case the following ratted:
Willie Marshall
Sergio
Mikey Hop
Craig DePalma
Joh Gotti Jr
Mickey Scars
Fat Pete

The only one that didn't was Greg DePalma and Locasio?

Well, Junior didn't proffer until he was inside for the Scores case. Same goes for Craig. And Fat Pete and Mikey Scars didn't get wired up until after Scores, either. But it's all semantics because they all spilled their guts later on.

The rest of the guys on your list are correct.


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Re: Gotti JR .. Proffer [Re: pizzaboy] #827563
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And don't forget Blutrich and Pfeffer. They both ratted themselves (which was no surprise whatsoever).


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There is something with the feds where you tell them everything you did and how you did it without testifying against others. An older guy i know did that in a fraud case. Im almost 100% that is what he told us. He got 18 months when he would of got 5 years. No one else was charged. It was strange. Could that be what JR wanted to do?

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the two owners of scores, willie, mike sergio, craig carlino, some strippers, the case plead out, so their may have been more come out.. craig flips in the grand jury in atlanta after he is doing his bid,

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Originally Posted By: bronx
the two owners of scores, willie, mike sergio, craig carlino, some strippers, the case plead out, so their may have been more come out.. craig flips in the grand jury in atlanta after he is doing his bid,

True on the strippers. Fat Pete married one of them, AFTER she gave secret grand jury testimony in '98. That should have sent up a red flag. But we're not talking about rocket scientists here.

When Pete wired up in '03, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him. Nice enough kid, but he was no tough guy, his tremendous girth aside. And like I said, the "entertainer" that he married spilled her guts back in '98, so was it really a surprise when he flipped?

Last I heard he's living under his own name in a very exclusive area in upper Connecticut. Everyone he blabbed about is dead or in WITSEC themselves. What does he care?


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right again...Pizza..imagine depalma claims pete again when he gets out..then ,i think pete brings in falcone ?

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Originally Posted By: bronx
right again...Pizza..imagine depalma claims pete again when he gets out..then ,i think pete brings in falcone ?

Exactly what happened. They hooked up at that dump Spaghetti Western. The fucking name of the place alone should have told them that they were doomed grin.

And they ruined the fat kid up in Port Chester, too, because of that shit. Per Voi was fantastic. My go-to place when I was up that way. Fucking Greg lol.


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Originally Posted By: bronx
right again...Pizza.

And thanks again. I know what I know, and I don't pretend to know what I don't know. I don't rely on books or Google or press releases. It is what it is. You live in an area for half a century, you pick a few things up. End of story.

I couldn't give two shits what goes on in Montreal or Chicago or Detroit or Philly (although I must admit, the Merlino saga is fun to watch as a spectator, and we share the Boca connection, so he does interest me a bit).


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greg locked up more guys then any one agents work LOL..the G should never have given him more than house arrest..

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that is what I was telling Extortion the other day..to people who do not live in these areas can not fathom having this info.from the mid 80's some wise guys were telling girls their biz..trying to look important.

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Originally Posted By: bronx
from the mid 80's some wise guys were telling girls their biz.

Every broad in Knuckleheads was half a fucking wiseguy. And you know I ain't even joking.


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bocelli will be at the hardrock next week..you going

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Originally Posted By: bronx
bocelli will be at the hardrock next week..you going

I'd love to, but not this time.

Harry Connick's at the West Palm Theater next weekend. It's an easy ticket, so we may check it out. It's a nice room. We saw Mandy Patinkin and Patti Lupone there two years ago. Great acoustics, etc. Plus, they put on a helluva show. Even if you're not into their brand of music, they both have some set of pipes, I'll tell you that much.


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You know anything about pete vocarro( he was with greg depalma).. He got a button? He still around?

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You know anything about pete vocarro( he was with greg depalma).. He got a button? He still around?

You mean Bobby Vaccaro? He ended up with Funzi, just like almost everyone else.


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Originally Posted By: bronx
right again...Pizza.

And thanks again. I know what I know, and I don't pretend to know what I don't know. I don't rely on books or Google or press releases. It is what it is. You live in an area for half a century, you pick a few things up. End of story.

I couldn't give two shits what goes on in Montreal or Chicago or Detroit or Philly (although I must admit, the Merlino saga is fun to watch as a spectator, and we share the Boca connection, so he does interest me a bit).


You do in fact read google and books you've said it yourself. I enjoy reading your posts, given the amount of time you spend on the computer I'll highly doubt, anyone in the bronx even talk to you after what you did back in 2005 or so ? You call everyone a fucking rat on here but in reality we all know who that is.

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So I was at Junior's proffer in 2005? lol lol lol

Whatever you say, Dicknose. Tick tock, junkie. SC's coming for you.


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2005 was a good year. Got my license, lol.

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