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Re: Joseph and sam riccobono
[Re: mikeyballs211]
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01/23/15 05:37 AM
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I know absolutely nothing about American Desperado. Haven´t read the book and have no clue if Jon Roberts were related to the Riccobonos in any way. Would be nice if somebody could set the record straight regarding this. He was definitely not made although he (may have) claimed this in his book.
Joseph Riccobono is an interesting guy. According to informants, he played a vital role in setting up the Anastasia hit. Allegedly, he appeared during a Commission meeting in front of the bosses and explained why Anastasia had been hit. He claimed that Anastasia had wanted to kill him and Joe Biondo and therefore had acted in self defence. Pretty sure this is not the whole picture of what actully happened. I believe in reality, Riccobono had his back covered by Lucchese and Genovese, and probably Gambino too, the real conspirators.
The crew Riccobono hailed from is the well known, once powerful Lower East Side Gambino crew that was run by Biondo and later by the Armone brothers. He seems to have been a filthy rich guy who had numerous of interests in the Garment center. Involved with labor racketeering first and foremost but I´m sure he also had traditional blue collar rackets under his control. He was caught in the Apalachin raid and jailed for a year for contempt. Released after having furnished "responsive" answers in front of a hearing, although he never revealed anything of importance.
Informants described him as very meticulous, neat, expensive dresser who was very devoted to his wife. They also described him as an avid boxer fan and race track addict. Loved to go fishing from charter boats leaving from Staten Island. He had terrible health. History of:
- sinus condition - pleurisy - bronchitis - gallbladder problems - prostate gland problems - polyuria - nocturia rales of both lungs - syphilis of the central nervous system
In 1963, he attempted suicide by cutting his wrists and the alleged reason for him wanting to end his life was that he had just learned that he also was ill with cancer. He somewhat lost his stature with the Gambino Family after his suicide attempt. Joe Zingaro was a captain who was offered the consigliere spot but turned it down. Riccobono remained as consigliere but due to sickness and lack of mobilty, Joe N. Gallo was named acting consigliere and gradually took over Riccobono´s duties. It is believed that Riccobono was fully retired by 1969. He died in 1975. He was married to Christine, but I don´t think they had any children. Riccobono may have had children from a previous marrige though. One of the suicide notes found (which was addressed to his wife) said: "I tried my best to lead an honorable life. My greatest sin was to listen to my heart instead of my head. Forgive me. Try to readjust your life. There is Mary, Elsie and Johnny. God have mercy on my soul. Personally, my wife, my last thoughts are of you."
His brother is a mystery. I´m not sure they were close. I have no knowledge of him being a skipper. They say his name was Salvatore, but I´ve seen him listed as Thomas Salvatore Riccobono. According to FBI reports, Thomas was born in 1878.
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Re: Joseph and sam riccobono
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Joseph's parents were Joseph (Giuseppe), Sr., and Rosalie (Rosalia), and his siblings were Carmela, Maria and Dominick (Domenico). They originally came from Sferracavallo and were closely connected to the LoCiceros and the Vassallos. Joseph grew up at 426 East 13th Street, very close to Saverio Virzi, a caporegime under Ignazio Lupo and later Toto D'Aquila. All of these families, and that of Frank Scalise, were related back in Sicily and a number of these relatives (fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc) were identified as Mafiosi in Palermo in the 1890s, some even farther back. Also, Giovanni Riccobono, Joseph's uncle or great-uncle (I'll have to double-check on that), was one of the oldest men to enter Sing Sing Prison; he was convicted of murdering a police officer. In the early 1900s, under Virzi, the Riccobonos were known as notorious Black Handers. BTW, this isn't too far from where Lucky Luciano grew up; Luciano was close to several young men who grew up here and later became Gambinos, such as Frank Scalise, Joe Biondo, Steve Armone and others, but Luciano ended up going with Masseria.
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Re: Joseph and sam riccobono
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Joseph's parents were Joseph (Giuseppe), Sr., and Rosalie (Rosalia), and his siblings were Carmela, Maria and Dominick (Domenico). They originally came from Sferracavallo and were closely connected to the LoCiceros and the Vassallos. Joseph grew up at 426 East 13th Street, very close to Saverio Virzi, a caporegime under Ignazio Lupo and later Toto D'Aquila. All of these families, and that of Frank Scalise, were related back in Sicily and a number of these relatives (fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc) were identified as Mafiosi in Palermo in the 1890s, some even farther back. Also, Giovanni Riccobono, Joseph's uncle or great-uncle (I'll have to double-check on that), was one of the oldest men to enter Sing Sing Prison; he was convicted of murdering a police officer. In the early 1900s, under Virzi, the Riccobonos were known as notorious Black Handers. BTW, this isn't too far from where Lucky Luciano grew up; Luciano was close to several young men who grew up here and later became Gambinos, such as Frank Scalise, Joe Biondo, Steve Armone and others, but Luciano ended up going with Masseria. "Mafia royalty" for sure. Perhaps even more so than the Gambinos. If anybody is interested in this early stuff, and would like to know more, you can find an excellent researched article here. http://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/739915I´m not trying to peddle here because I have no financial interest in this. I´m just giving you guys a heads up of what is available out there. He's definitely is a Riccobono and in the suicide letter it even confirms it (although it could be another johnny I doubt it) and I believe in the book the author was able to verify him being one or having a name change. The guy is so rich and the story is so extensive I don't think he'd make up baseline facts like those up. Apparently his father was a complete and utter psychopath who told him "if you are going to do evil, make sure you do it as evil as you can." or something like that. Well, there were two John Riccobonos listed as have been with the Gambinos. But I doubt that either one of them is the Jon Roberts from American Desperado. The first one was born in 1910 and died in 1984. This is probably the Johnny referred to in the suicide note. This guy was made in the 1950s. The second one was an associate (possibly made) in the 1970s and nicknamed "Sonny". He was born in 1939. If anybody knows the exact date of Jon Robert´s birth, then we could confirm/challange Jon Robert´s story.
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Re: Joseph and sam riccobono
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01/23/15 12:21 PM
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Joseph's parents were Joseph (Giuseppe), Sr., and Rosalie (Rosalia), and his siblings were Carmela, Maria and Dominick (Domenico). They originally came from Sferracavallo and were closely connected to the LoCiceros and the Vassallos. Joseph grew up at 426 East 13th Street, very close to Saverio Virzi, a caporegime under Ignazio Lupo and later Toto D'Aquila. All of these families, and that of Frank Scalise, were related back in Sicily and a number of these relatives (fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc) were identified as Mafiosi in Palermo in the 1890s, some even farther back. Also, Giovanni Riccobono, Joseph's uncle or great-uncle (I'll have to double-check on that), was one of the oldest men to enter Sing Sing Prison; he was convicted of murdering a police officer. In the early 1900s, under Virzi, the Riccobonos were known as notorious Black Handers. BTW, this isn't too far from where Lucky Luciano grew up; Luciano was close to several young men who grew up here and later became Gambinos, such as Frank Scalise, Joe Biondo, Steve Armone and others, but Luciano ended up going with Masseria. "Mafia royalty" for sure. Perhaps even more so than the Gambinos. If anybody is interested in this early stuff, and would like to know more, you can find an excellent researched article here. http://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/739915I´m not trying to peddle here because I have no financial interest in this. I´m just giving you guys a heads up of what is available out there. He's definitely is a Riccobono and in the suicide letter it even confirms it (although it could be another johnny I doubt it) and I believe in the book the author was able to verify him being one or having a name change. The guy is so rich and the story is so extensive I don't think he'd make up baseline facts like those up. Apparently his father was a complete and utter psychopath who told him "if you are going to do evil, make sure you do it as evil as you can." or something like that. Well, there were two John Riccobonos listed as have been with the Gambinos. But I doubt that either one of them is the Jon Roberts from American Desperado. The first one was born in 1910 and died in 1984. This is probably the Johnny referred to in the suicide note. This guy was made in the 1950s. The second one was an associate (possibly made) in the 1970s and nicknamed "Sonny". He was born in 1939. If anybody knows the exact date of Jon Robert´s birth, then we could confirm/challange Jon Robert´s story. Great post HK,great info and great research consistency.Because guys like you,Faithful and others this forum is worth checking into.The info you guys put up here,you could never find online.Its very helpfull for us who dont have acces to many LCN books,especially me coming from Serbia. I Think i read somewhere that Jon Roberts was born in 47 or 48,if that helps at all.
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Re: Joseph and sam riccobono
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01/24/15 07:53 PM
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Binnie, I admit I don't know nothing about this Riccobono guy, but are you sure it was coke? I can't imagine coke dealing being that much of a racket in the 40-50s.. and I've studied drug addictions historically even in the US. It was probably heroin, right?
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: Joseph and sam riccobono
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01/25/15 03:52 AM
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Ah, I misunderstood I thought the Anastasia sitdown was about coke, my bad.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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