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Mafia members earnings. #815919
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Obviously it differs given the individual but can anyone give an average earning of a modern day made man in one of NY's families?

What do they see out of it per annum?

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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: sbhc] #815930
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former Lucchese acting boss and government witness Joseph DeFede reported that an average soldier in his family earned an estimated $40-50.000 a year. This is different for everybody, some are into drugs and gambling or whatever, Ralph Vito Perna is a Jersey Capo for the Luccheses and are believed to earn about 1 billion dollars over a 15-month period.

Bonnanos did well under Gigante, they had monopoly on most of the drug trafficking in america, only Gigante didn't share, and..oh well. Some Gambino ''rats'' says this about the Gotti regime;

Under John Gotti we had 20 capos and earned $100 million a year. Under Gotti Jr, we were down to 10 capos and $20 million a year.

I figure Gambino made a lot more than 100 mill.


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: sbhc] #815937
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If you believe that Ralph Perna made a billion dollars in a dream, never mind the real world, i have a few bridges to sell you. I certainly hope you are kidding.

Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: sbhc] #815940
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It's all different. Some soldiers can be middle class and some can be making millions. That goes for really any viable family right now.


Those Genovese capos are most likely all millionaires in someway or another. Whether it's through their assets/businesses or stashed cash. Gambino capos too, even though they're generally more prone to indictment.

Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: Belmont] #815942
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Originally Posted By: Belmont
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If you believe that Ralph Perna made a billion dollars in a dream, never mind the real world, i have a few bridges to sell you. I certainly hope you are kidding.

I think he's a kid. He's very naive at the very least.

Originally Posted By: RedBullets
Those Genovese capos are most likely all millionaires in someway or another. Whether it's through their assets/businesses or stashed cash.

Some captains become millionaires, but nothing is guaranteed. Rudy died last year. He kept his stripes right til the end and he left nothing behind at all. His family is broke.

Then you take a guy like Prisco. He was a skipper for close to twenty years before he got locked up for good. But he was never a monster earner. He didn't leave anything for his family either. Now granted, in his case a lot of money went for legal fees. But that's neither here nor there.

But the main reason these threads are futile is because there's no way of knowing for sure who has what. But a new thread on this topic pops up once a week anyway.


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: pizzaboy] #815943
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If you believe that Ralph Perna made a billion dollars in a dream, never mind the real world, i have a few bridges to sell you. I certainly hope you are kidding.

I think he's a kid. He's very naive at the very least.


I'm telling you what I've read previously. And I doubt any of you are Mafia bookies, so who really knows?


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If you believe that Ralph Perna made a billion dollars in a dream, never mind the real world, i have a few bridges to sell you. I certainly hope you are kidding.

I think he's a kid. He's very naive at the very least.


I'm telling you what I've read previously. And I doubt any of you are Mafia bookies, so who really knows?

Don't get insulted, but how old are you and where are you from?

There are some very knowledgeable posters on these boards. It's true that most of them are researchers, but so what?

But there are also members here that have knocked around the life a little bit. You're not going to meet a made guy here. But your contention that a bookie wouldn't be here is silly.

I'm 55 years old and I grew up around Arthur Avenue when the life was still going full force. And we have posters with similar backgrounds from other parts of the country.


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: sbhc] #815998
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Everyone's input is valuable and respected.

I think this is what poster Johnny Dio was referring to:

$2.2 billion in wagers, primarily on sporting events, during a 15-month period.

From that number (2.2B) and time frame (15 months), you can calculate the gang's income based on the average payout ratio of the bets.

Someone else here will have to finish the calculus because many of us just don't know the nuts and bolts of that industry.


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: Johnny_Dio] #816001
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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Dio
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Originally Posted By: Belmont
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If you believe that Ralph Perna made a billion dollars in a dream, never mind the real world, i have a few bridges to sell you. I certainly hope you are kidding.

I think he's a kid. He's very naive at the very least.


I'm telling you what I've read previously. And I doubt any of you are Mafia bookies, so who really knows?



What's a bookie?


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: Alfa Romeo] #816002
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Those are total bets, Alfa. Not total wins or losses. And that doesn't factor in any of the overhead, like paying your sheet writers. Never mind the fact that at any given time most bookmakers have at least 30 percent in uncollected debts. Those numbers are ridiculously inflated by the Feds and their stooge lackeys in the media.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Those are total bets, Alfa. Not total wins or losses. And that doesn't factor in any of the overhead, like paying your sheet writers. Never mind the fact that at any given time most bookmakers have at least 30 percent in uncollected debts. Those numbers are ridiculously inflated by the Feds and their stooge lackeys in the media.


Thanks


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: Alfa Romeo] #816004
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Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Everyone's input is valuable and respected.

I think this is what poster Johnny Dio was referring to:

$2.2 billion in wagers, primarily on sporting events, during a 15-month period.

From that number (2.2B) and time frame (15 months), you can calculate the gang's income based on the average payout ratio of the bets.

Someone else here will have to finish the calculus because many of us just don't know the nuts and bolts of that industry.



Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Those articles are meaningless.

The only people who would know what they made is the bank. You're not factoring in who is on a half sheet. Who's on a quarter sheet. Who's running for ten percent. What's the cost PPH? Every book probably has 20-30 percent outstanding. I can go on and on and on and on and on.

What is a bookie?


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: Alfa Romeo] #816005
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Originally Posted By: Alfa Romeo
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Those are total bets, Alfa. Not total wins or losses. And that doesn't factor in any of the overhead, like paying your sheet writers. Never mind the fact that at any given time most bookmakers have at least 30 percent in uncollected debts. Those numbers are ridiculously inflated by the Feds and their stooge lackeys in the media.


Thanks


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Re: Mafia members earnings. [Re: sbhc] #816006
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Then factor in wagered! That's only the handle. Maybe they only won ten percent of the handle. Then factor in what I wrote above. Then factor in 15 things I didn't write above. It's a rabbit hole and unless you're living it daily you won't know.


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PB. Why do I bother. I'll just let you run with it. Go Gators


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food stamps. lil al said he had some great section 8 apartment in lil Italy.

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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Dio
former Lucchese acting boss and government witness Joseph DeFede reported that an average soldier in his family earned an estimated $40-50.000 a year. This is different for everybody, some are into drugs and gambling or whatever, Ralph Vito Perna is a Jersey Capo for the Luccheses and are believed to earn about 1 billion dollars over a 15-month period.

Bonnanos did well under Gigante, they had monopoly on most of the drug trafficking in america, only Gigante didn't share, and..oh well. Some Gambino ''rats'' says this about the Gotti regime;

Under John Gotti we had 20 capos and earned $100 million a year. Under Gotti Jr, we were down to 10 capos and $20 million a year.

I figure Gambino made a lot more than 100 mill.


that billion dollars is probably the estimated revenue for the whole time period, its not what they grossed im assuming they never made even made that much revenue anyways, these numbers are so out of wack.

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Thats like saying i did 2 million in sales last year and still made 2 million in net earnings,,, it doesnt work like that.
The media and the fbi ESTIMATE what the total amount bet through a gambling operation was plus its always grossly inflated.
Ralph Perna does not have more money than Mick Jagger, Bruce Springsteen, and Tiger Woods combined.

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Originally Posted By: cheech
PB. Why do I bother. I'll just let you run with it. Go Gators


gators behind now 21-16, I hope they win, if they do it will save the coaches job.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
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PB. Why do I bother. I'll just let you run with it. Go Gators


gators behind now 21-16, I hope they win, if they do it will save the coaches job.


haha!


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PB. Why do I bother. I'll just let you run with it. Go Gators


gators behind now 21-16, I hope they win, if they do it will save the coaches job.

I try to root for the Florida college teams whenever possible. But man, it's like a religion down there. Jesus and football. And not necessarily in that order lol.


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At $2.2 billion, even at a 3% profit that's $66 million over 15 months. Was that split between 20 guys or 100 guys?

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Originally Posted By: mulberry
At $2.2 billion, even at a 3% profit that's $66 million over 15 months. Was that split between 20 guys or 100 guys?


Shhhhhh! lol


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Originally Posted By: cheech
What's a bookie?


A well read wiseguy.



Hey, had to be said. You asked twice wink


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Johnny_Dio
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If you believe that Ralph Perna made a billion dollars in a dream, never mind the real world, i have a few bridges to sell you. I certainly hope you are kidding.

I think he's a kid. He's very naive at the very least.


I'm telling you what I've read previously. And I doubt any of you are Mafia bookies, so who really knows?


Don't get insulted, but how old are you and where are you from?

There are some very knowledgeable posters on these boards. It's true that most of them are researchers, but so what?

But there are also members here that have knocked around the life a little bit. You're not going to meet a made guy here. But your contention that a bookie wouldn't be here is silly.

I'm 55 years old and I grew up around Arthur Avenue when the life was still going full force. And we have posters with similar backgrounds from other parts of the country.


I am 24, born in Naples, moved to Jersey when I was 12, wasn't really good at school but my English quality depends on my mood, I noticed you commented it on an earlyer post of mine, but I was fascinated by the mob as a young kid. When I was 16 I meet a girl who knew a few pot dealers and I got connected to them and bought a few grams with the little cash I had, I sold it to some wannabe-alcoholic tough-guys at school and felt like a true Gangster. Once me and my friend tried to walk in to a well known ''Mob Social Club'' when we were at a party in Brooklyn. We weren't allowed inside though, but I fell into contact with some Irish guys from Hells Kitchen and got beat up pretty bad and sentenced to 18 months for possession, after that I grew a brain and got a job. Still seems tempting to join the life, especially since I am Italian you know. But after reading a lot of your posts about how the life is bad and at the beginning it's all about you taking the blame for the old guys, it doesn't seem that glamorous. I really look forward to read the bullshit comments about how this is fake.

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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Dio
I am 24, born in Naples, moved to Jersey when I was 12, wasn't really good at school but my English quality depends on my mood, I noticed you commented it on an earlyer post of mine, but I was fascinated by the mob as a young kid. When I was 16 I meet a girl who knew a few pot dealers and I got connected to them and bought a few grams with the little cash I had, I sold it to some wannabe-alcoholic tough-guys at school and felt like a true Gangster. Once me and my friend tried to walk in to a well known ''Mob Social Club'' when we were at a party in Brooklyn. We weren't allowed inside though, but I fell into contact with some Irish guys from Hells Kitchen and got beat up pretty bad and sentenced to 18 months for possession, after that I grew a brain and got a job. Still seems tempting to join the life, especially since I am Italian you know. But after reading a lot of your posts about how the life is bad and at the beginning it's all about you taking the blame for the old guys, it doesn't seem that glamorous. I really look forward to read the bullshit comments about how this is fake.

I'm not judging you, kid. It actually sounds somewhat believable. Except for the part about the Irish in Hell's Kitchen. Because that neighborhood has been gentrified for at least the past fifteen years (which would have made you nine years old and living in Italy when the gentrification started).

But welcome to the boards lol.


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Hells kitchen has been gentrified since 1990. Beat up at by some irish kids? You sure you you were'nt at a frat party at NYU and took a beating from a frat guy drinking an irish beer????
Whats next ? He dated an italian girl from east harlem?

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Originally Posted By: Belmont
Hells kitchen has been gentrified since 1990. Beat up at by some irish kids? You sure you you were'nt at a frat party at NYU and took a beating from a frat guy drinking an irish beer????
Whats next ? He dated an italian girl from east harlem?

Don't bust his balls, Belmont. Johnny's been working behind the scenes to get Jimmy Coonan sprung from the clink. They're gonna take back 10th Avenue together.


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Thanks for the advice PB, he knows a bunch of italian street gangs from the lower east side.

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Originally Posted By: Belmont
he knows a bunch of italian street gangs from the lower east side.

Yeah, they're also rebuilding. They have all queens on Saint Mark's Place scared out of their panties.


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