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Detroit Partnership #813859
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You never hear of these guys, very few rats and a family built for the most part on actual Italian immigrants and their offspring going back to the 20s.

According to organised crime intelligence they're one of the most successful Cosa Nostra groups in the country in the new century.

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Re: Detroit Partnership [Re: sbhc] #813876
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Do you have a link for that source?


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They used to be one of the more powerful families due to control of Hoffa.

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Originally Posted By: sbhc
According to organised crime intelligence they're one of the most successful Cosa Nostra groups in the country in the new century.


I agree with you mulberry, but to say they are one of the most successful groups in the new century is kinda misleading, no?


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the fbi head in detroit did an interview recently and was asked about it.

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DD: Do you still have an organized crime section? Is there still a traditionally Mafia as we know it?

Abbate: I would say if you look here in Detroit or nationally or you look at places like New York City, the presence of the Mafia as you refer to it or Italian organized crime is significantly diminished. I wouldn’t say it’s non-existent. But it’s not what it was years ago. It’s something we still look at and investigate. However, you know the focus today is on more, sort of non-traditional organized crime.

I wouldn’t isolate it to anyone one area, we see it coming from everywhere. Maybe without citing any specific country, the eastern European area.

- See more at: http://www.ticklethewire.com/2014/11/14/...h.ZSv6C9jD.dpuf

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Thanks Scorsese, that's what I was looking for.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Italian_Americans_in_Metro_Detroit

The success of the Detroit Partnership should be measured by the fact that in a city of nearly 4 million of which The National Italian American Foundation estimated that in 1990, Metro Detroit had 280,000 ethnic Italians,there are a family of 40-50 made men and 100 and more associates,where are only one rat Nove Tocco and the boss Jack Tocco ruled on the family from 1979 to 2014 when died.

http://s151.photobucket.com/user/mukremin/media/OtherFamilyturncoats_zpsd98298ec.jpg.html

For a small family was very sucessfull.The Partnership was very stable because made new members that are members of the same blood family of the old made men like the ndrangheta.

Boss Jack "Jackie the Kid" Giacalone

Underboss Anthony "Chicago Tony" Lapiana
Consigliere Anthony "Tony Pal" Palazzola
Street Boss Pete "Specs" Tocco

Capos

Joseph "Joey Jack" Giacalone
Joseph "Joe the Hood" D'Anna
David "Ace" Aceto
Antonio "Tony the Exterminator" Ruggirello
Paul "Big Paulie" Corrado

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Supposedly they just promoted a new consigliere (I take this gangster report with extreme caution though because I believe the author HYPES UP the activity of his local mob, I mean I doubt Detroit is anywhere near as viable as his reporting makes them sound, I personally suspect Detroit is just a small gambling ring these days, but hey that's just my opinion as there's nowhere near the activity of NY/NJ area present in Detroit)

http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-mob-names-new-consigliere-tony-pal-now-clock/

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http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/06/24/organized-crime-in-detroit-forgotten-but-not-gone/

Organized Crime In Detroit: Forgotten But Not Gone

Organized Crime In Detroit: Forgotten But Not Gone
By James Buccellato and Scott M. Burnstein

DETROIT (WWJ) – The Detroit mafia lives in the shadows. It always has, now, more than ever.
“They don’t chase the news cameras like in other cities and a lot of them have been very adept of veiling themselves in legitimacy,” said former federal prosecutor and organized crime task force member Keith Corbett, of the area’s ruling mob powers. “In relative terms, it’s been a recipe for success, in that most of them have avoided long, if any, prison sentences and, for the most part, very few people have any idea who they are.”
That hasn’t exactly been the case for other organized crime families around the country.
Notorious Boston Irish mob boss James “Whitey” Bulger was apprehended earlier this week in California, arrested for 19 gangland-related homicides after 16 years on the run from the law. Bulger, the inspiration for Jack Nicholson’s character in the Oscar-winning film “The Departed,” ran the Boston underworld for over two decades and had for years been No. 2 on the FBI’s famed Most Wanted List, behind only Osama Bin Laden.
The Philadelphia mob made headlines last month when federal investigators arrested reputed godfather Joseph “Uncle Joe” Ligambi. Philly’s alleged No. 1 gangster and a dozen of his suspected underlings were all charged in a 50-count racketeering indictment involving gambling and loan-sharking.
Interestingly, the Ligambi arrest comes on the heels of one of the largest mob busts in American history when in January the U.S. Justice Department rounded up over 100 suspected East Coast organized crime members, many of them alleged to be high-ranking mafia leaders, on charges including murder, gambling, loan-sharking, extortion and narcotics trafficking.
Top Chicago Mafioso Michael “Fat Mike” Sarno and a number of his associates were convicted on federal racketeering charges stemming from a mob-ran video poker operation late last December.
Four major busts in six months and all of the investigations involve customary mafia locales: New York, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, Providence and Newark.
One of the traditional mob hotbeds absent from the recent slew of arrests and convictions was Detroit, a longstanding picture of stability and efficiency in an underworld landscape littered with defectors, dissidents and dim-bulb thugs.
Those who remember stories about the infamous Purple Gang from the city’s bloody Prohibition era or the everlasting hubbub regarding the mysterious disappearance of labor boss Jimmy Hoffa may wonder if organized crime still exists in the Motor City.
Indeed, many would probably be surprised to find out that Detroit’s mafia is still alive, well and racketeering in 2011.
Few would suggest that the local crime family has the manpower or criminal reach it once had, but it nevertheless continues to function – and when compared to other mob syndicates across the country, at a fairly high level.

As recently as 2006, FBI agents in Detroit arrested more than a dozen individuals under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act (RICO) charging them with bookmaking, money laundering and extortion. Though federal authorities did not officially link the case to the mob, sources in local law enforcement confirm that the indictment’s alleged ringleaders, Peter Tocco of Troy and Jack V. Giacalone of West Bloomfield, as well as several of their co-defendants are affiliated with the area’s mafia family.
Tocco, 62 and referred to on federal surveillance tapes by such monikers as “Blackie” and “Specs,” pled guilty to the charges and served a two-year prison sentence before being released last year. Giacalone, 60, went to trial and was acquitted. Sources peg Giacalone, known by nicknames like, “Jackie the Kid” and “Jackie the Bathrobe,” as someone being groomed to be a future don.
People around Detroit with even a vague familiarity of local mob affairs are most likely aware of the names Tocco and Giacalone, longstanding staples in newspaper headlines from the area’s underworld dating back nearly a century.
Peter Tocco’s grandfather was William “Black Bill” Tocco, the Detroit mafia’s founding father, establishing the crime syndicate in 1931 after winning a violent street war for gangland supremacy in the city in the aftermath of Prohibition. His uncle is Giacomo “Black Jack” Tocco, Black Bill’s eldest son and the city’s current mob boss, in power since the 1970s.
Jackie Giacalone is the son of retired mob underboss Vito “Billy Jack” Giacalone, 87 and the nephew of former Detroit mafia street boss, Anthony “Tony Jack” Giacalone, who died of cancer in 2001.
During the 1950s and 60s, Congressional committees named Black Bill Tocco and both Giacalone brothers as being top echelon mob leaders in the Motor City.
The following decade the Giacalone brothers gained national infamy, having their names echoed on television newscasts from coast to coast after they became central figures in the Hoffa case.
All three mobsters were linked closely to legendary godfather Joe Zerilli, Detroit’s undisputed “boss of bosses” for over four decades and a highly-respected mob dignitary that was one of the few non-New York bosses granted a seat on the notorious “Commission,” a nationwide mafia board of directors. He was brother-in-laws with Black Bill Tocco, having come over together from Sicily in 1910.
The Detroit don’s only son, Anthony “Tony Z” Zerilli, was initially tagged as his father’s replacement, however following Tony Z’s imprisonment in 1973 on charges of skimming millions of dollars from a Las Vegas hotel and casino, the aging mob chieftain demoted his offspring in favor of his nephew Jack Tocco. Both the younger Tocco and Zerilli received college business degrees from the University of Detroit-Mercy in 1949, around the same time, according to Congressional testimony, they “made their bones” and were inducted into the mafia.
When Joe Zerilli passed away from natural causes in 1977, Tocco took control of the crime family, naming his first-cousin Tony Z his second-in-charge as a measure of good faith. The pair of mob princes ran the local mafia in tandem uninterrupted until 1996 when they were arrested in a widespread RICO indictment, titled, Operation Gametax, charging virtually the entire syndicate administration with bookmaking, loansharking and extortion.
Tocco was convicted in 1998, Zerilli in 2002 and after each conviction, federal law enforcement described the situation in hyperbolic terms, claiming to have “driven a stake through the heart” of the Detroit mafia.
This proved hardly true. Although a majority of the mobsters arrested in the bust were convicted, most of them received relatively light sentences. Curiously, Tocco, who was found to be the kingpin of the continuing criminal enterprise in the case, served barely two years behind bars.
With so many sons, nephews and cousins employed in the “family business,” the mob’s rackets more or less continued with little to no interruption. In a measure to ensure loyalty, Joe Zerilli had planned it that way, making it a requirement as early as the 1930s that his soldiers married other soldiers’ daughters, sisters, nieces and cousins.
The strategy has paid dividends since unlike most of the country’s mob families in the past three decades that have been torn apart at the seams from within, overwhelmed by informers or “rats,” as they’re called in underworld circles, the Detroit mob has been virtually free of turncoats.
“Almost everyone important in the crime family is related by blood or marriage in some way to almost everyone else of any significance and this makes the organization extremely difficult to penetrate,” retired Detroit FBI agent Mike Carone notes. “For an outsider, whether in law enforcement or not, to get real close to these guys is practically impossible.”
Nove Tocco, Joe Zerilli’s grandson, became the only member of the crime family to ever testify against the syndicate in open court when he began working for the feds in 2000, two years after he was convicted in the Gametax case. He debriefed for the federal authorities and testified at his cousin Jack Tocco’s sentencing hearing in exchange for a sentence reduction.
The FBI in Detroit asserts that upon Tocco’s release from federal prison in 2002, he re-assumed his position as boss and continues to head the crime family to this day at the ripe old age of 84.
Detroit’s mafia faction has also avoided the internecine warfare that has plagued other national mafia groups, as a general rule, being free of renegades, a phenomenon most experts credit to the syndicate’s intermarriage edict and its longstanding policy of only utilizing violence as a method of last resort.
“It’s a lot harder to get the motivation to start a war if the guys you’re going to be shooting at and trying to kill are your own family,” Carone said. “That’s not to say the mafia around her doesn’t murder people, but that it’s probably a little less frequent when compared to other big city mobs.”
The last round of known or possible-related mob murders took place between 1998 and 2002, a timeline some sources in law enforcement tie to the fallout from the convictions and subsequent prison sentences of city mafia royalty, like Jack Tocco and Tony Zerilli.
The mini hit parade started in 1998 in the months after a slew of convictions in the Gametax case when a former mob associate under the direction of the Giacalone brothers wound up dead in Great Britain after he had turned informant for the government.
Three years later in 2001, there was the murder of strip club operator, John “John John” Jarjosa, Jr.,34, whose father was convicted mob associate John “J.J.” Jarjosa, Sr., away serving a prison sentence related to the Gametax bust at the time of his son’s death. Jarjosa, Jr, was gunned down at the corner of 8 Mile and Evergreen in broad daylight, his black Corvette boxed in as he took fire from two gun-wielding assailants in a turn-around lane.
In 2002, a young reputed mob enforcer, Gerard “Gerry the Blade” Bianchette, 31, was shotgunned to death at a Macomb County construction site in the months surrounding the conviction of Tony Zerilli.
Though all three murders remains unsolved, law enforcement describe each as a professional hit, most likely rooted in gangland conflict.

Just last month, a pair of reputed mobbed-up brothers, the Sicilian-born, Giuseppe and Girolamo D’anna, owners of the Tiramisu Italian restaurant in Shelby Township, were indicted on assault to commit murder, extortion and witness intimidation charges. Authorities allege the brothers stormed into a competing Italian restaurant across the street for Tiramisu, severely beat its owner with an aluminum baseball bat and threatened to kill him and his entire family if he went to the police. According to confidential sources, the D’anna brothers are connected to the local mafia family and have alleged ties to mob activity back in their native Sicily.
A federal point shaving bust alleged to be headed by Gary Manzi and Mitchell “Steady Eddie” Karam, two reputed Detroit mob associates of Chaldean descent, made headlines in 2009. Karam, long linked to the crime family and a one-time close friend of deceased reputed mob power, Jack “Fat Jackie” Lucido, and Mazi, a local convenient store owner, are accused of paying players on both the University of Toledo football and basketball teams to alter outcomes of games so they could win close to a half a million dollars in wagers.
At its peak in the 1960s, the mafia in the Motor City was estimated to have roughly 100 fully-inducted members. Currently, it’s probably closer to between 40 and 50. The number had dropped to around 30-35 at the time of the Gametax trial, but reports indicate the family has since increased its ranks with at least two initiation ceremonies being held in the last eight years.
Most people might not know the mob still exists in Detroit, yet the organization doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon.
“To paraphrase Mark Twain, the reports of their demise have been much overstated,” Corbett said. “The current leaders, guys like Jack Tocco, may be on the way out due to age, but there is a younger generation coming up behind them ready, willing and able to take the reins. From its inception, this organization was built for the long haul and it will continue to sustain. I don’t think we’ll be talking about the eradication of the mafia in Detroit for quite a while.”
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James Buccellato, PhD. James is a political scientist. Currently he is researching the history of social banditry in America.
Scott M. Burnstein is a local author and crime expert, who has been featured on the History Channel’s hit show, “Gangland” and whose first book, “Motor City Mafia – A Century of Organized Crime in the City of Detroit,” was a regional best-seller. His writing has appeared in both the Detroit Free Press and the Oakland Press

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Dante, I compare the detroit partnership with the Ndrangheta.
Because operates in the shadows,made only the same family members and think about making money rather than kill.
No one says that it has lost much of its power, especially after the end of skimming at the casinos of Las Vegas or the end of the control of the unions.
They prefer to make tot per month and enjoy it instead of doing tot a week and end up behind the bar for 20 years or more.

This argument sounds smart.

Re: Detroit Partnership [Re: furio_from_naples] #814037
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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
“To paraphrase Mark Twain, the reports of their demise have been much overstated,”


Or as I prefer it 'the reports of the Detroit mafia's strength have been much overstated."

Respect To Burnstein but the ol grey mare aint what she used to be.


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Re: Detroit Partnership [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #814107
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Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti
Supposedly they just promoted a new consigliere (I take this gangster report with extreme caution though because I believe the author HYPES UP the activity of his local mob, I mean I doubt Detroit is anywhere near as viable as his reporting makes them sound, I personally suspect Detroit is just a small gambling ring these days, but hey that's just my opinion as there's nowhere near the activity of NY/NJ area present in Detroit)

http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-mob-names-new-consigliere-tony-pal-now-clock/



Yea, no, Scott isn't one of those guys. He's pretty well versed in the world of LCN, and is an acclaimed researcher on the subject as well as an author. He did the Phil Leonetti book, for that reason alone there isn't much reason for one to doubt his sources. If he has access to Phil Leonetti, there's no reason why his Detroit sources would be that far off.

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Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti
Supposedly they just promoted a new consigliere (I take this gangster report with extreme caution though because I believe the author HYPES UP the activity of his local mob, I mean I doubt Detroit is anywhere near as viable as his reporting makes them sound, I personally suspect Detroit is just a small gambling ring these days, but hey that's just my opinion as there's nowhere near the activity of NY/NJ area present in Detroit)

http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-mob-names-new-consigliere-tony-pal-now-clock/



Yea, no, Scott isn't one of those guys. He's pretty well versed in the world of LCN, and is an acclaimed researcher on the subject as well as an author. He did the Phil Leonetti book, for that reason alone there isn't much reason for one to doubt his sources. If he has access to Phil Leonetti, there's no reason why his Detroit sources would be that far off.


Scott is very good and I don't think he has ever overstated their power.

Guy has plenty of legit sources, sat down and wrote a book with Leonetti and is currently in talks with Natale for a possible book.

Don't know why anyone would lump Scott in with the BS artists.

He reported this current shift in power years and years ago before anyone else.

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Exactly my thoughts, I was going to mention the Natale thing, but Scott said it isn't sat in stone yet, so I didn't want to give anyone any expectations if they hadn't heard of it before, lol.

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In case my previous posts need clarafication Detroit is the ol grey mare. Not Burnstein.

Apologies for the confusion Scott smile


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Tony Ruggirello is not a full-fledged capo, he's looking after the Tocco bros. interests in an 'acting' capacity, until Jackie puts someone in that spot on a full-time basis

Scott

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Does Detroit have any rackets other than books and shylock?

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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti
Supposedly they just promoted a new consigliere (I take this gangster report with extreme caution though because I believe the author HYPES UP the activity of his local mob, I mean I doubt Detroit is anywhere near as viable as his reporting makes them sound, I personally suspect Detroit is just a small gambling ring these days, but hey that's just my opinion as there's nowhere near the activity of NY/NJ area present in Detroit)

http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-mob-names-new-consigliere-tony-pal-now-clock/



Yea, no, Scott isn't one of those guys. He's pretty well versed in the world of LCN, and is an acclaimed researcher on the subject as well as an author. He did the Phil Leonetti book, for that reason alone there isn't much reason for one to doubt his sources. If he has access to Phil Leonetti, there's no reason why his Detroit sources would be that far off.


Scott is very good and I don't think he has ever overstated their power.

Guy has plenty of legit sources, sat down and wrote a book with Leonetti and is currently in talks with Natale for a possible book.

Don't know why anyone would lump Scott in with the BS artists.

He reported this current shift in power years and years ago before anyone else.

Having access to Leonetti means nothing, the guy's a rat, he seeks out people like Scott to make money for himself and talking to Leonetti does not mean he talks to other people still involved. Leonetti has been out of the game a long time now, what does talking to him have to do with getting info from guys involved today? The point that you guys make about the Leonetti book and that he is in talks with Natale to do a book discredits Scotts knowledge in my opinion. These are two of the biggest liars ever associated with LCN. So that leads me to believe his "sources" aren't what he makes them out to be. It's not his fault cause he's writing what they tell him, but alot of shit in Leonettis' book can't be backed up by much, only Leonettis word. Except for the trials and fed reports, alot in that book is garbage. Pussy Phil claimed they were gonna wack Bulger back in the day and the only reason he said that was to get publicity to sell his book cause it was around the time Whitey was caught. That has to be one of the most creditless things a mobster has said. I applaud Scott for trying, but i believe he's getting fed bullshit on alot of matters he's reported on.

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Originally Posted By: Ville
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti
Supposedly they just promoted a new consigliere (I take this gangster report with extreme caution though because I believe the author HYPES UP the activity of his local mob, I mean I doubt Detroit is anywhere near as viable as his reporting makes them sound, I personally suspect Detroit is just a small gambling ring these days, but hey that's just my opinion as there's nowhere near the activity of NY/NJ area present in Detroit)

http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-mob-names-new-consigliere-tony-pal-now-clock/



Yea, no, Scott isn't one of those guys. He's pretty well versed in the world of LCN, and is an acclaimed researcher on the subject as well as an author. He did the Phil Leonetti book, for that reason alone there isn't much reason for one to doubt his sources. If he has access to Phil Leonetti, there's no reason why his Detroit sources would be that far off.


Scott is very good and I don't think he has ever overstated their power.

Guy has plenty of legit sources, sat down and wrote a book with Leonetti and is currently in talks with Natale for a possible book.

Don't know why anyone would lump Scott in with the BS artists.

He reported this current shift in power years and years ago before anyone else.

Having access to Leonetti means nothing, the guy's a rat, he seeks out people like Scott to make money for himself and talking to Leonetti does not mean he talks to other people still involved. Leonetti has been out of the game a long time now, what does talking to him have to do with getting info from guys involved today? The point that you guys make about the Leonetti book and that he is in talks with Natale to do a book discredits Scotts knowledge in my opinion. These are two of the biggest liars ever associated with LCN. So that leads me to believe his "sources" aren't what he makes them out to be. It's not his fault cause he's writing what they tell him, but alot of shit in Leonettis' book can't be backed up by much, only Leonettis word. Except for the trials and fed reports, alot in that book is garbage. Pussy Phil claimed they were gonna wack Bulger back in the day and the only reason he said that was to get publicity to sell his book cause it was around the time Whitey was caught. That has to be one of the most creditless things a mobster has said. I applaud Scott for trying, but i believe he's getting fed bullshit on alot of matters he's reported on.


Because you think it discredit's Scott, really doesn't mean it discredit's Scott, because it doesn't. How about YOU get access to Phil Leonetti and write best selling book out of it. Or any other Mafia turncoat for that matter. Fact is, Scott's information has always been pretty much on point over the years he's been doing this and sharing information with some of us on other forums and this one, especially in regards to Detroit. So yeah, think whatever you want, fact is most guys who have claimed to have sources in the past and reported things have been outed due to the a lot of the information turning out to be wrong. Scott has been rightfully respected by most in the LCN online community because none of that stuff has been the case with him.

And another thing, Scott never claimed nor wrote in that book anything about Leonetti & co. plotting to kill Whitey Bulger. How you can discredit him because Phil Leonetti said that despite Scott himself never paying any credence to that theory, is beyond me. And it isn't just the informants that you nor I most likely can't get any access to, or close enough for them to discuss their crime life with, it's also the law enforcement aspect of it. Scott has said he also has sources in Law Enforcement. And a lot of his info has matched up with things later revealed through files, and news articles, sometime's released after the information was shared with us via Scott.

And this isn't even about Scott anymore but the book itself, most of what Phil says in that book, is backed up through news articles, police reports and FBI files. Just saying...

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When he's writing articles about people that aren't even in the positions he says they are or not even involved, that discredits him. And can hurt guys that he has no clue about. Anyone can write a bestseller, doesn't mean it's the truth. It's the case right now with what he's saying about New England. Like i was saying anyone in Scott's line of work can get access to informants. And i already said that book is garbage except for the stuff backed up by FBI reports and things of that nature. As i said before im not knocking the guy, but he needs to look more into what these sources are telling him. Just like Leonetti told him about the 500,000 contract his uncle had on him, complete bullshit. And yea it wasn't exactly in the book, he said it about Bulger in an interview to plug their book.

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Supposedly they just promoted a new consigliere (I take this gangster report with extreme caution though because I believe the author HYPES UP the activity of his local mob, I mean I doubt Detroit is anywhere near as viable as his reporting makes them sound, I personally suspect Detroit is just a small gambling ring these days, but hey that's just my opinion as there's nowhere near the activity of NY/NJ area present in Detroit)

http://gangsterreport.com/detroit-mob-names-new-consigliere-tony-pal-now-clock/



Yea, no, Scott isn't one of those guys. He's pretty well versed in the world of LCN, and is an acclaimed researcher on the subject as well as an author. He did the Phil Leonetti book, for that reason alone there isn't much reason for one to doubt his sources. If he has access to Phil Leonetti, there's no reason why his Detroit sources would be that far off.


Scott is very good and I don't think he has ever overstated their power.

Guy has plenty of legit sources, sat down and wrote a book with Leonetti and is currently in talks with Natale for a possible book.

Don't know why anyone would lump Scott in with the BS artists.

He reported this current shift in power years and years ago before anyone else.

Having access to Leonetti means nothing, the guy's a rat, he seeks out people like Scott to make money for himself and talking to Leonetti does not mean he talks to other people still involved. Leonetti has been out of the game a long time now, what does talking to him have to do with getting info from guys involved today? The point that you guys make about the Leonetti book and that he is in talks with Natale to do a book discredits Scotts knowledge in my opinion. These are two of the biggest liars ever associated with LCN. So that leads me to believe his "sources" aren't what he makes them out to be. It's not his fault cause he's writing what they tell him, but alot of shit in Leonettis' book can't be backed up by much, only Leonettis word. Except for the trials and fed reports, alot in that book is garbage. Pussy Phil claimed they were gonna wack Bulger back in the day and the only reason he said that was to get publicity to sell his book cause it was around the time Whitey was caught. That has to be one of the most creditless things a mobster has said. I applaud Scott for trying, but i believe he's getting fed bullshit on alot of matters he's reported on.


Look here tough guy...that was just an example. He has sources on both sides of the law. Rats. Retired fbi agents, as well as other sources he probably cant name, so stop taking everything out of context based on your feelings on Leonetti.

Rats are all liars huh? If it wasnt for rats we would know about 1/4 of what we know today. And a lot of times it is backed up by wires/taps. So what in the hell are you spewing out of your mouth about with your obvious bias/agenda?

I mean, for christ sakes you are calling Phil a pussy behind the safety of your Dell monitor when the guy would have you pissing your pants if you even looked at him wrong. He is a sociopath/killer.

I applaud you for trying..but this post smells of shit and you have not the slightest clue what you are talking about.

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When he's writing articles about people that aren't even in the positions he says they are or not even involved, that discredits him. And can hurt guys that he has no clue about.


Again, instead of spewing random things, why don't you give examples to back up your claims?

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Does Detroit have any rackets other than books and shylock?



shitholes like detroit are filled with rackets

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Ok tough guy , you guys brought up Leonetti so i used him as an example. Im talking about what he says about New England so get off your knees and take his dick out of your mouth. Yea rats are liars and obviously some of their claims can be backed up by wiretaps, that's not the case with alot of them tho. You don't know who the fuck i am so relax with big guy routine here. I dont give a shit what people on here think about what i say. My only issue with Burnstein is his information on New England which is completely false and im on my cellphone. So if you know Leonetti and think id be scared, pm me and ill give you my number so you can have him call me cause he dont scare me one bit. I know guys way more serious than him, you have no idea what i been through or what i know and i dont post names and dates to back up what i say cause this is a fucking public forum. If you can read about it, maybe ill post a name when I do post, but that's not how i do it. I could careless if you think i dont know what im talking about, i know what i know and a couple people on here know me and i don't talk bullshit buddy. So don't fucking come at me like that tough guy. If my post stinks like shit then Scott's info on New England smells like death. And i know exactly what i'm talking about, so relax with your special feelings towards Scott.

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gambling/shy/vending machines > that's it

perhaps some daydreaming wannabe pays tribute to them for tradition's sake...or gets conned to do so

they remind me of my nonno's social club: 10 guys on the administration board to run 10 other guys at the bottom lol

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Ok tough guy , you guys brought up Leonetti so i used him as an example. Im talking about what he says about New England so get off your knees and take his dick out of your mouth. Yea rats are liars and obviously some of their claims can be backed up by wiretaps, that's not the case with alot of them tho. You don't know who the fuck i am so relax with big guy routine here. I dont give a shit what people on here think about what i say. My only issue with Burnstein is his information on New England which is completely false and im on my cellphone. So if you know Leonetti and think id be scared, pm me and ill give you my number so you can have him call me cause he dont scare me one bit. I know guys way more serious than him, you have no idea what i been through or what i know and i dont post names and dates to back up what i say cause this is a fucking public forum. If you can read about it, maybe ill post a name when I do post, but that's not how i do it. I could careless if you think i dont know what im talking about, i know what i know and a couple people on here know me and i don't talk bullshit buddy. So don't fucking come at me like that tough guy. If my post stinks like shit then Scott's info on New England smells like death. And i know exactly what i'm talking about, so relax with your special feelings towards Scott.



I mean, it's easy to knock a guy, and then say "Oh I know whats really going on, but I don't drop any names". Regardless if you know or not, nobody is going to believe you over a guy whose been doing this, and has been pretty much spot on with most reports in the past. That ain't blowing smoke, that's the true facts. And I don't know who "you guys" and who's got dicks in their mouths or whatever, but none of that is directed to me. I respectfully disagreed with you and said why, never called you a bullshit artist because I don't really care enough to do so.

Leonetti was simply an example, not the ultimate holy grail of why people should buy into Scott's reports. It isn't just the rats though, it's the police files, the FBI reports, etc. So if he's off about New England, then so is the New England law enforcement, because that's where a lot of his sources come from.

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Abbate: I would say if you look here in Detroit or nationally or you look at places like New York City, the presence of the Mafia as you refer to it or Italian organized crime is significantly diminished. I wouldn’t say it’s non-existent.


NO SHIT it has diminished

STILL brooklyn is no boston

what kinda answer is this?

schmuck merged all american lcn fams together...just like that

jesus christ

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Ok tough guy , you guys brought up Leonetti so i used him as an example. Im talking about what he says about New England so get off your knees and take his dick out of your mouth. Yea rats are liars and obviously some of their claims can be backed up by wiretaps, that's not the case with alot of them tho. You don't know who the fuck i am so relax with big guy routine here. I dont give a shit what people on here think about what i say. My only issue with Burnstein is his information on New England which is completely false and im on my cellphone. So if you know Leonetti and think id be scared, pm me and ill give you my number so you can have him call me cause he dont scare me one bit. I know guys way more serious than him, you have no idea what i been through or what i know and i dont post names and dates to back up what i say cause this is a fucking public forum. If you can read about it, maybe ill post a name when I do post, but that's not how i do it. I could careless if you think i dont know what im talking about, i know what i know and a couple people on here know me and i don't talk bullshit buddy. So don't fucking come at me like that tough guy. If my post stinks like shit then Scott's info on New England smells like death. And i know exactly what i'm talking about, so relax with your special feelings towards Scott.



I mean, it's easy to knock a guy, and then say "Oh I know whats really going on, but I don't drop any names". Regardless if you know or not, nobody is going to believe you over a guy whose been doing this, and has been pretty much spot on with most reports in the past. That ain't blowing smoke, that's the true facts. And I don't know who "you guys" and who's got dicks in their mouths or whatever, but none of that is directed to me. I respectfully disagreed with you and said why, never called you a bullshit artist because I don't really care enough to do so.

Leonetti was simply an example, not the ultimate holy grail of why people should buy into Scott's reports. It isn't just the rats though, it's the police files, the FBI reports, etc. So if he's off about New England, then so is the New England law enforcement, because that's where a lot of his sources come from.
Did i not just say in my prior comment that i don't give a fuck if people on here believe me? That doesn't bother me one bit, like i said i know what i know and im not backing it with up anything on here cause i dont need your approval on what i post. Ok if he gets his info about New England from LE up here then they're the ones feeding Scott bullshit. I know more about New England than he will ever know. You do seem to care otherwise you wouldn't comment on my post, so enough already JCB Jimmy boy.

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Abbate: I would say if you look here in Detroit or nationally or you look at places like New York City, the presence of the Mafia as you refer to it or Italian organized crime is significantly diminished. I wouldn’t say it’s non-existent.


NO SHIT it has diminished

STILL brooklyn is no boston

what kinda answer is this?

schmuck merged all american lcn fams together...just like that

jesus christ


lol why are you so angry at him for? He's only answering a question. It seems like he's saying that they don't consider them a priority anymore compared to other groups and only investigate if something pops up on the radar.

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not angry at all pal

just surprised by HOW he answered that question

then again, I should have known better

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