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43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos #812438
11/08/14 10:12 AM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/07/world/americas/mexico-missing-students/

(CNN) -- The 43 Mexican students who disappeared in southern× Mexico in September were abducted by police on order of a local mayor, and are believed to have been turned over to a gang that killed them and burned their bodies before throwing some remains in a river, the nation's attorney general said Friday.
This is the conclusion that investigators have reached, Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam said, though he cautioned that it cannot be known with certainty until DNA tests confirm the identities.
This will be a challenge, he said, as the badly burned fragments make it difficult to extract DNA.
"I have to identify, to do everything in my power, to identify, to know if these were the students," Murillo said.
Parents of the college students reacted immediately, some saying the evidence is inconclusive and insisting that their children are alive.

Forty-three students remain missing after armed men ambushed buses carrying students in southern Mexico on on September 26 .The Mexican state of Guerrero posted images and offered a reward of 1 million pesos ($74,000) for information leading to the missing students. Images of three missing students were not available.Forty-three students remain missing after armed men ambushed buses carrying students in southern Mexico on on September 26 .The Mexican state of Guerrero posted images and offered a reward of 1 million pesos ($74,000) for information leading to the missing students. Images of three missing students were not available.
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"We are not going to believe anything until the experts tell us: You know what? It is them," Mario Cesar Gonzalez, the father of one of the students, told CNN en Español.
Another parent,× Galindo, said the government is getting ahead of itself in an attempt to get protests over the disappearance of the students to stop and the public to stop demanding answers.
"The government is trying to resolve things its way so that to rid itself of this great problem it is facing," Galindo, who lives in× California but whose wife and children are in× Mexico, told CNN en Español.
"My son is alive. My son is alive. My son is alive," he repeated.
The parents have been highly critical of President Enrique Peña Nieto for his administration's handling of the investigation.
A cell phone video from a closed-door meeting with the× President, released on YouTube, shows family members accusing× Nieto of being out of touch with who the students are. One family member on the recording suggests the× President should resign if he can't deliver answers.
Describing the federal investigation as one of the most complex in recent times,× Murillo outlined what he said befell the students from a rural teacher's college in Ayotzinapa, Guerrero state.
Police linked to disappearance
The victims were men mostly in their 20s studying to become teachers at a college in rural× Ayotzinapa. On September 26, they traveled on buses and vans to nearby× Iguala for a protest about lack of funding for their school. They haven't been seen or heard from since.
Three men arrested in connection with the disappearance of the students admitted to having killed a large number of people believed to be the students,× Murillo said.
Murillo said police officers handed the victims to the three men, who he said belong to the× Unidos gang.
Authorities have arrested Iguala Mayor Jose Luis Abarca, called the "probable mastermind" in the mass abduction, and his wife,× Maria de los Angeles Pineda. They were captured while hiding out in× City earlier this week.
The school the missing students belong to has a history that dates back more than 80 years and is known as a bastion of the× Mexican left. Its students are known for their activism.
Officials have said that when the mayor and his wife learned the students' protest would disrupt one of his events, the mayor ordered then-Iguala police Chief Felipe Flores Velasquez to stop the demonstration. The former police chief remains a fugitive.
Slain Mexican student's friends, family demand justice
Shortly after× Murillo announced the latest in the investigation,× Nieto said the findings "outrage and offend all of× Mexican society."
"With firm determination, the government will continue the efforts for a full accounting of the incident," Peña Nieto said. "The capture of those who ordered it isn't enough; we will arrest everyone who participated in these abominable crimes."
So far, 74 people have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of the students, the government said.
Mexican governor steps aside after student kidnappings
Officials: Men burned at dump
Murillo on× Friday repeated the claim that the order to abduct the students came from the mayor. The police confronted the students twice on their journey, killing three in one confrontation, and forcibly taking all of them to a police station the second time, the attorney general said.
The students were then moved to a location where they were handed over to members of the× Unidos gang, he said.
The gang members transported the students in various trucks to a garbage dump, Murillo said.
Some were dead already, and those who were alive were questioned by gang members about their alleged involvement with other gangs, Murillo said.
There is no evidence to show that the students were involved with gangs, he said.
The attorney general identified the three gang members who confessed as Patricio Reyes Landa, Jhonatan Osorio Gomez and Agustin Garcia Reyes.
The suspects told police they don't remember exactly how many people they killed, but they were told by their leaders that there were more than 40, Murillo said.
The abducted men were then burned at the dump in a fire that was kept alive for at least 14 hours by adding diesel fuel, tires and debris, the attorney general said.
The next day, the gang members were ordered to further break up the remains and place them in black garbage bags that were tossed into the San Juan River, Murillo said.
Scuba divers searched the river and found pieces of the bags and remains. One bag was found intact, with human remains inside, the attorney general said.
"I know the huge pain this information gives the families, a pain that we all share in solidarity," Murillo said.
The Iguala incident has sparked protests all across Mexico, some of them violent. There have been multiple acts of vandalism in Guerrero state. Protesters have blocked roads and tollbooths in cities like Chilpancingo, the capital. They have also blocked access to shopping malls in the beach resort of Acapulco.
The protests spread to the capital, where tens of thousands marched this week demanding that the missing students be found alive.
The governor of Guerrero state -- criticized for not acting quickly enough after the abductions -- has taken a leave of absence.
CNN's Rafael Romo contributed to this report.

Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812439
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our problems derive mainly from neighboring with the biggest drug addict of the world

a Mexican of can't remember the name on the drug trade between Mexico and the United States.

43 students were kidnapped by order of the mayor of Iguala Jose Luis Abarca, who is now a fugitive, because they protested against him. They were kidnapped by corrupt police officers and then sold in a Guerreros Unitod the cartel, killed dismembered and burned,part thrown in a garbage dump, part into a river.

Since 2006, more than 80,000 Mexicans have died in the war that the Mexican state, declared against cartels, and which by the way is also losing.

What do you think?

Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812440
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furio from naples.... the Mexican government has been fighting this war for many years now. it just seems to get worse, and worse. the gangs own many Mexican police and federales, they may very well be on the verge as being as powerful as the Mexican government. no mexican president has been able to deal with it. its' tragic.



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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812444
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Well at least the Mexican president finally released the former US marine they been holding.

They never said why and I only heard about on 1 network.

Why would they kill regular students. When you kill someone normally you have to have a reason for it. Kidnaping them and killing them for protesting them is not a rational reason for killing them. It was to instill fear so no one will do it again. The guy that ordered it deserves to die.



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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812482
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This story is insane.unfortunately there have been bigger massacre then this that doesn't even make the news
So sad


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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812493
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They will eventually be taken down just like the Colombian cartels and LCN. The government is the biggest organized crime group and they don't like competition

Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812507
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mulberry in Mexico that is the case, the narcos go by the forces of order and say, you or take our money or our lead.

So many honest cops accepted to take money because they don't want their family, their friends and family are killed, and in the worst way.

having said that, the Mexican state would not have to declare war against the cartels.

in a documentary I saw that many honest and motivated people to fight cartels are far from the places of command, not to mention the political class is corrupted through and through.
The drug traffickers also may have better weapons of federal forces, and have a lot of moneythat don't need to count them, but weigh them directly.

I hope, however, that the violence of the cartels that is becoming scary make that those who must do their duty,do it.

Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812514
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The only cops here that I believe don't take money here are stupid cops. Or cops that are useless and no one will pay off.

How much do you think a cop makes? The pay is chump change. Nothing you can support a family on its a joke.


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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812519
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The Mexican Nation as a whole is corrupt from the top down. Their infrastructure wasn't built to withstand enemies as strong as the cartels, Esp. with the money that is flowing illegally through the country.

Yes, they are not strong economically and never have been, But the cartels clearly are the shadow government in Mexico through running billions worth of narcotics.

It will take an organization like Los Pepes (Columbian Group) for the the people of Mexico to rise up and eliminate the Cartels and violence, the government is too corrupt at this point to make a concentrated effort to fight organized crime in Mexico.


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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812610
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la lou. very well said, the Mexican people deserve good government, however, its been almost impossible to defeat the cartels. in a poor country like mexico the cartels have what everyone wants. mucho dinero!!



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This tragic but the soldiers executed some gunmen the other week that belong to that gang(Guerreros Unidos). These pieces of shit deserve it especially these splinter groups that prey heavilly on the commom joe. Furio im from Mex but currrently reside in Laredo Texas and these guys are clowns bunch of thug with no morals. Trust me if you think these guys are cool youre wrong, these are the type of people that kidnap and torture innocents for ransom money. So the soldiers have no mercy as they didnt have mercy when they kidnap and execute innocents. I blame the Mexican people in some ways and the all thrree levels of government. Also its a myth the narcos out weapon the soldiers they might gun the local police and the state police at times but the soldiers are better armed and obviously trained. Trust me the narcos dont want to get it with the army. They always lose in firefights against the army and especially Marines.

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People thought the Colombian cartels were too powerful for the government to defeat and look what happened. When the time comes the Mexican cartels will be squashed. Never take on the government. They are the only ones who can legally murder at will. They call it war or anti-terrorism. When they start blowing up the cartels nobody will care

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Quote:
They are the only ones who can legally murder at will.


Right on. There it is. It's as simple as that.


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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: mulberry] #812787
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Originally Posted By: mulberry
People thought the Colombian cartels were too powerful for the government to defeat and look what happened. When the time comes the Mexican cartels will be squashed. Never take on the government. They are the only ones who can legally murder at will. They call it war or anti-terrorism. When they start blowing up the cartels nobody will care


The columbian government had to call in outside help for that, just as Mexico eventually will. They did not do it on their own, or even close.

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They got some logistical support from the US but it was Colombian soldiers and paramilitary who hunted down and killed the cartel members. All these gangs look tough against local cops and joe public but they are pussies when the army rolls.

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obviously the columbian groups are not what they once were, but to pretend that people down there don't still wield tremendous international power is a huge mistake. the groups have splintered and violence is not what it once was, but keep in mind that these guys have a huge advantage in that they produce the stuff there.

along with increased law enforcement operations, the tightening of the south florida/carribean entry points along with the rise of the mexicans who will always enjoy the advantage of their huge land boarders seriously damaged the columbians. still, like most large scale criminal organizations they adapted, increasingly focusing on the european market, as big if not bigger than the usa at least as far as cocaine in concerned.


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Originally Posted By: mulberry
They got some logistical support from the US but it was Colombian soldiers and paramilitary who hunted down and killed the cartel members. All these gangs look tough against local cops and joe public but they are pussies when the army rolls.


not like there was no military before. If army was that tough and gangsters that big of pussies than US (and other ?) help would not have been needed. Columbia could not control Columbia.

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I would never go to Mexico for a vacation. But there are a lot of people who do without a problem.


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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812812
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I always get Colombia confused with places like Columbia university. I guess I am not the only one smile


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Re: 43 students missing in Mexico was killed bynarcos [Re: furio_from_naples] #812818
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Footreads I think you can safely go into Mexico or Colombia, and in general in South America on vacation, if don't come out from the places for tourists.
Even in the most safest city in the most civilized country if you go in the slums you can end up badly.

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We used to drive into Mexico (Baja California) all the time, not anymore. If you get on a plane and land at your destination thats a different story but driving through MEXICO is off limits, it's too dangerous.

Guadalajara has changed...it used to be the cartels would stay in the slums but not anymore -they are part of the scenery in the nicer neighborhoods now. A friend of mine went back for a family visit recently and said how much things have changed for the worst.


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