I just found this interesting bit of info, not sure if it's common knowledge..

"The Man Who Tried to Kill Al Capone"
http://www.nps.gov/alca/historyculture/the-man-who-tried-to-kill-al-capone.htm


Jimmy "Tex" Lucas


In 1934, James "Tex" Lucas was serving 30 years in federal prison for bank robbery and auto theft. The Texas native also had a detainer in his home state that totaled 128 years. Charges included murder, robbery, and escape.
In January of 1935, he and his crime partner Jack Hardin were transferred to Alcatraz from Leavenworth for closer custody. Lucas was 22-years-old.

"Lucas proved to be a troublemaker at Alcatraz. He participated in a work strike in 1936 and was known to engage in clandestine conduct on a consistent basis. On June, 23, 1936, Lucas viciously attacked Al Capone in the shower room. Using half of a pair of scissors, he slashed the Chicago gangster several times. Capone suffered a minor chest wound and superficial cuts to his hands. All Lucas said in his own defense was “Well he threatened to kill me.” He subsequently lost all his good time, 3600 days."


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Mickey Cohen was assaulted in prison

http://www.alcatrazhistory.com/cohen-3.htm

"On August 14, 1963, fellow inmate Burl Estes McDonald, entered an electronics repair training facility and wielding a three-foot iron pipe, snuck up from behind, and bludgeoned the unsuspecting Mickey into unconsciousness. Cohen sustained a critical head injury resulting from shards of skull fragments that had to be removed from brain tissue which had hemorrhaged. Mickey underwent extensive neurosurgery and following a two week coma, doctors inserted a steel plate to replace the mangled bone fragments in the rear skull region."

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of course everyone here knows of the Gotti incident, and others like Genovese putting the hit out on Valachi in the Atlanta federal prison. but what are some of the other incidents in U.S. prisons where mobsters have been assaulted, or even killed?

From what i've read Capone was taunted a lot in prison..

mob guys fight all the time in prison, mostly with each other..if you were in prison, you fought ..all bets off in there, you disrespect someone that knows what you are,get your orange jump suit ready

Billy Bright (Pitera co-defendant) was killed by the AB...they were hired by Mark Reiter because he blamed him and Tommy for shooting his brothers face off.

Didn't some Cleavland member get killed in prison (might've been a paid hit by LCN members)?

Persico got OJ'd in the face by a DC black.

I heard a rumor Merlino got KO'd by a DC black.

Stanfa got smashed in the face by some Greek guy with connections to Merlino.

And others...

marks r son..

Came up in Springfield fusco trial he helped that boss Ernie in a fight with another inmate put him in good standing to bad he was found not guilty of 2 murders but got 25yrs anyway

Genovese member Anthony 'little pussy' russo and a bunch of his associates were assaulted and shanked in trenton state prison by a group of black inmates during 71.

Damn it really shows you how vulnerable mobsters are.They are like any other non affiliated inmate there. Or even worse if the prison gangs find out they are mobsters because of that street rep/fame for knocking out a mobster.

PMAC, I remember reading that article about Fusco. The way it was written made it sound like Fusco snuck up on the victim and beat the shit outta him. Either way, that was an interesting read. I'd imagine there are hundreds, if not thousands, of assaults that have happened that we'll never hear about.

I would not go as far as to say that they are as vulnerable as any non affiliated prisoner as some inmates do look up to them, and in some fed prisons they have decent numbers. I'd say the biggest issue is guys thinking "Hey he has money" and targeting them for extortion as happened to Gotti, supposedly Merlino in Beaumont, and others.

It is obvious they are not invincible by any means, and have to abide by the prison gangs politics. It is simply a different environment.

werent there some incidents involving Scarfo guys? I remember the one about Joey Punge and I want to say Wayne Grande but wasnt there more than that? I want to say it was a Narducci but i could have Grande confused with a Narducci?

I heard some brothers in terra haute indiana prison got into a beef with merlino. Merlino squashed the beef by reaching out to the jbm gang from philly. Apparently jbf had ties to a chicago gang that has a big appearance in indiana prisons.

Allie Calabrese was the Cleveland mobster beaten in prison. He died of a stroke from the beating. I don't think it was a mob hit but some rumor had it that Joe Loose ordered the hit. Allie was Joe's boss back in the day

Never heard about the Persico thing. Was it tge Snake and what happened?

I don't know, but i read Carmine was an unbelievable microwave chef, made the best spaghetti and white clam sauce.

Anthony casso was given a smack in prison by big sal michiota I seem to remember

Anthony (Gaspipe) Casso, one of the city's most lethal gangsters until he turned government songbird, made a billy club out of a rolled-up magazine to carry out a frenzied New Year's Eve attack on another jailed informer, the Daily News has learned. But the magazine didn't prove much of a weapon, and prison guards had to step in and save Casso before his subscription was canceled by his angry 350-pound adversary, Salvatore (Big Sal) Miciotta, sources said. After the fracas, the men, who have been feuding for months, were each placed in solitary confinement to await transfers to other federal prisons with special units for cooperating witnesses, sources said. Casso, the former Luchese underboss, is about 5-foot-8 and 165 pounds. He began cooperating in 1994 but has not yet testified at trial. He has reportedly admitted taking part in 36 slayings and is awaiting sentencing. Miciotta, who has admitted involvement in four homicides, began cooperating a year earlier and has testified several times. He is serving a 14-year sentence. Sources said the fight broke out after dinner as Miciotta, 50, was playing cards with other protected inmates, who are housed separately from prisoners against whom they have testified. Casso, 56, "came up behind Big Sal" on an elevated cellblock walkway carrying a tightly rolled magazine in his hands, leaned through a railing and started beating Miciotta on his head, one source said. "Since this was not a very efficient weapon and Big Sal is a very large man, this did not render Big Sal helpless," he said. Miciotta reached through a walkway railing, grabbed Casso by the shirt, pulled him through the railing, and "beat the daylights out of Gaspipe until the [guards] got him off Gaspipe," he said. "I'm not surprised about the outcome, but I am surprised that Gaspipe started up with Sal," said one law enforcement source. "Without his gun," the source said, "Gaspipe was not a tough guy. Sal could handle himself and towers over him.

" Federal authorities would not comment on the altercation.

I won't pretend that I am extensively versed on this topic, but it would seem to me that mafia in prison are subjected to much of the same crap as anyone else. Where they once probably had a lot of influence, now they do not have as much. The prison gangs rule prison as they invariably are not ever getting out and they have significant numbers incarcerated for life.

While I don't think mafiosi have the kind of pull in prison portrayed in Goodfellas, I don't think they are the easy targets some claim they are or just like any other inmate. Most of the examples of mobsters being attacked that I've read about on these forums are not easy to substantiate. And the ones that are are few and far between. Especially when you consider how many mobsters in how many prisons there are.

Appreciate the sanity check Ivy!

I don't know about that. Being a member of a gang/crime family will always carry at least some weight even if there aren't any other guys there with you. They definitely aren't the same as nonaffliated inmates. How you carry yourself in prison will be the most important thing 95% of the time.

Don't forget about this indictment.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=571224

I think it depends on which prison and the time period involved. Lewisburg in the 1960s was supposed to have a large Mafia population, probably Leavenworth too. Where there's large numbers there's protection.

As for mobsters getting beat up or attacked, according to one source Lucky Luciano was assaulted by one of his own men, Little Davie Petillo.

A biker in prison would have more support than a mobster would.

botz wouldn't a biker have a lot more enermies in prison depending what state he's locked up in. lcn guys are lcn guys everywhere, were bikers from different groups kill each other all the time. I hear a lot about new England lcn guys mostly associates hang aroumd with other cities lcn guys.

ive seen a lot of pics like a bank robber from providence taking a pic with gotti jr. and the guys only a asc. were I don't think the bikers would ever take a picture with another biker from another crew. does the h.a.s and pagan beef go away on prison? think ive seen pics of bikers with a lcn guy. scarfo got pics with black muslims.on this site somewhere.

Bikers in prison hang out with other bikers or other white groups. Like if a HA or Pagan were locked up together they would squash their politics from the outside and come together as one in prison.

Yeah the White trash prison gangs are so inspiring!

Independents- The Biggest White Boy Gang in the Feds
SEPTEMBER 28, 2014

independents imageIn the Bureau of Prisons, a variety of gangs exist, recruiting prisoners into their ranks like fraternities and calling shots on compounds across the nation. Joining a gang is not a prerequisite in the feds, but still a lot of prisoners take advantage of the benefits a prison gang offers. These perks include protection, strength in numbers, control of prison rackets like drugs, gambling and hooch, power, prestige and respect. It is a whole culture unto itself, where if you buy into it, you have to buy in fully, because there is no half-assing it in prison gangs.

Out of all the benefits available respect is the greatest currency, because without respect in prison you can get extorted, punked out and even sexually assaulted. This is why it is better to be feared than loved on the inside and gang members are usually the most feared convicts on the yard, because prisoners know if they cross someone who’s affiliated, it’s not only that individual that they have beef with. The whole gang will inherit the beef and sooner or later the person who crossed the gang member will pay, most likely with a shank in the back.

With prison being like a fish bowl, prisoners never know where they might end up and who will be there. Prisoners are always getting transferred in and out of institutions and they never know who will be rolling in on that bus. That makes the threat of the gang immediate and everlasting. News travels fast in the system and beefing with a prison gang can result in getting your head busted open by someone you have never met, but who has identified you and is planning your demise.

For whites there are a lot of gangs they can join if they so chose- the Aryan Brotherhood, Dirty White Boys, Aryan Circle, Nazi Low Riders, Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, Public Enemy #1, and Aryan Nation, among others. White boy gangs come in many shapes and sizes, depending on where you are from and what your personal style is. All of these gangs are prison and race based. The only qualifications to join are that you have to be white and not a snitch or chomo. A proclivity for violence helps.

On most compounds, white gangs with their numbers, dedication to the cause and organization, run the white boy car. The white boy car is the unofficial umbrella that all the whites are under for political purposes. Prison politics can involve many things like who gets greenlighted, who runs the dope, who runs the rackets like poker tables, stores, loan sharking, it can get complicated. In prison, it’s all about politics and whoever runs the white boy car is in effect, responsible for all the white prisoners on the compound. The shotcaller for the whites is a position of power, prestige and respect. The prisoner who calls the shots for the whites can influence and determine what happens on the yard, concerning the whites, in every imaginable way, and in the volatile world of prison, that is the ultimate power.

“Different gangs have different yards that they control,” Big Mike, a 34-year-old penitentiary veteran from Virginia, who has served two bids in the feds for drugs and guns, tells us. “Like the AB are strong out in Cali and some of the older penitentiaries like Leavenworth, Lewisburg and Atlanta. The DWB’s are real deep on the East Coast in joints like Big Sandy, Lee and Terre Haute. And then you got the ABT that dominates the Texas prison like Beaumont and other southern joints. But certain gangs can’t walk on certain yards.”

With alliances and beefs between the race based gangs over shifting and changing, the dynamics of prison politics alter life in the netherworld of corruption and violence in a nanosecond. As the power structure shifts and alliances change, different gangs come into power and certain individuals are greenlighted and put out of their misery. It can be a viscous circle of mistrust, paranoia and Machiavellian scheming. Eventually the majority of whites, who weren’t in gangs, got tired of the changing regimes and dealing with the fall out of the rivalries between the white boy gangs and decided to do something about it.

“At a lot of joints in the feds all the white boys, who weren’t associated, got together and decided that the guys in the gangs couldn’t walk,” Big Mike says. “They took over the yards for independent white boys. They were sick of all the infighting between the gangs about who was going to call the shots for the whites, so they checked in all the gang members and made it know that independents were running the yard and nobody associated with gangs could walk on the mainline anymore.” By checking in the white gang members and making them go to the hole, the independent whites seized power on their respective yards and held it for themselves. They refused to be under the wing or in cars run by the gang leaders, who acted as shotcallers for all the whites. Whether they were in gangs or not. And the vast majority of whites, who weren’t in gangs had no voice.

“It was sorta like government with no representation. There were a lot of problems,” Big Mike says. “These dudes in the gangs were making decisions for all the whites without even asking them what they thought. If you are a shot caller you are supposed to be fair and do the right thing for the white boy car. But too many times the shotcallers would look out for members of their gang and give them preferential treatment. It didn’t matter if the dude in their gang was totally in the wrong or out of order, the shotcaller would side with them, just because they were in the same gang or an allied gang. They would also attempt to discredit any whites that were in rival gangs or any who they thought was a threat to their power or a threat to take over the yard.”

Prison is a Machiavellian and cutthroat world where the strong prey on the weak but shotcallers, if they want to remain in power, must abide by the convict code and all its nuances. It can get very complicated, if someone is in the wrong and you have proof you can get them, but if you have no proof you just can’t get them because you want to. There would be too much fallout. If the gangs see strength in someone else they will try to get rid of them rather than confront them. They will attempt to discredit them in some way. It’s all about the right now. Because in prison new faces are always transferring in and old faces are transferred elsewhere. It’s like a revolving door. If a gang not in power gets the numbers than they will take over. That is how the politics work. More soldiers and bodies equals more power for the gangs.

But in the vast majorities of prisons the gang members are really the minority. There might be 15 ABT members in a prison with a population of 2000, 600 of that number being whites. So the minority of 15 ABT members call the shots for the other 585 whites. “The gangs can do this because wherever a prisoner goes in the system the gang members have brothers that got no problem sticking someone with a shank if that person is greenlighted by the gang,” Big Mike says. “They also can do this because of the fear they generate due to their affiliation and notoriety.”

Gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood are known to do whatever it takes to dispatch their enemies, even stabbing them in the chowhall at lunch in plain view of C/O’s and the administrative staff, insuring that they will be caught and possibly prosecuted for their assault. They do this to illicit fear, giving off the perception that they don’t give a fuck, but it’s all calculated to enhance the gang’s stature and image. It used to be only the elite of the whites, the most fearsome and crème of the crop, where accepted into the gangs. That’s why their reputation was so fierce. A single member of the infamous Aryan Brotherhood from California could come on any compound nationwide and show his shamrock tattoo that designated membership, and being given the keys to the white boy car, no questions asked. That was because the original Aryan Brotherhood was known to be straight killers. But more often than not, other gangs have traded off this notoriety, even when their actions don’t meet the infamy of the originals.

“A lot of what they call independents now, white boys with no affiliation, don’t want no problems,” Big Mike says. “They just want to do their time in the less conflictive way they can and go home. But it got to the point with the gangs that the independents said enough is enough. They were tired of seeing the gang members manipulate and twist the system to suit their favor. These dudes got life too, just like the gang members and if a dude is a man, he can only take so much. So the independents flexed their muscles.”

The independents are usually made up of prisoners from the same geographical location. There might be the Missouri car, the East Coast car, the West Coast car, the Georgia car, the Alabama car, the Virginia car and so on, depending on where the federal prison is located. Usually whatever state it is in, that is the biggest car, as the feds try to keep prisoner within 500 miles of their home address or where they were convicted at. When a prison gang like the ABT is calling the shots and the majority of independents decide they don’t like their leadership they band together in a coalition of cars from different areas and take over the yard, checking the ABT members in and letting it be known that they can’t walk the yard and furthermore, from that point on, no gang members can walk the yard.

“That is why today, independents are the biggest white boy gang in the feds, even though they are not officially a gang,” Big Mike says. “When the feds ask me who I run with, I always say independent because the character of the dudes in the gangs have gotten so bad that the independents just had enough of it. The gangs were formed to protect the whites in prison and these dudes turned it into a power thing where they would extort their own people.” So now the responsibility of leadership has been seized back from the gangs in a power move that is happening in prison across the nation.

Better than being a mobster being assaulted in prison, don't u think?