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Bikers / OMG's #794219
08/05/14 01:22 PM
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http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-25/news/48528073_1_brick-lane-pagans-motorcycle-club-neighbor

Always had an interest in the outlaw biker culture. The Pagans are the top dogs around the Philly area, with the Outlaws, Warlocks, and Breed having a presence as well. See the Pagans around now and then, but none of the others. They've stayed out of the Philly news the last couple years, aside from the above article. They used to be linked to the local wiseguys, but not sure if thats still the case.

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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/ex-president-orlando-warlocks-mc-takes-stand-rival/nfQrs/

I used to live in an area that was extremely highly populated with Warlocks. Lot's of action in the 80s-90s; not so much these days. But, this is kind of recent.


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Re: Bikers / OMG's [Re: tjonezee] #794519
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interested in bikers/outlaws myself & always wanted to sign up and make a thread :-)

Re: Bikers / OMG's [Re: tjonezee] #794528
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Hells Angels are pretty much the only organized crime in Winnipeg these days. I heard the Winnipeg chapter is on probation because of it (that's just what I heard, no idea if it's true). They got hit hard in the early 00's and pretty well the only guys on the streets are members of their puppet gangs (zigzag crew and redlined support crew) if I understand correctly.

the Rock Machine tried to move in a year or two ago but it doesn't seem like that has gone well for them. The puppet gangs are dead set against them moving in and the RM doesn't seem to have the support of any of the street gangs (of which there are dozens).

In Canada though, the HA are pretty much the only viable OMC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the impression that I get.

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Re: Bikers / OMG's [Re: slumpy] #794531
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Originally Posted By: slumpy
Hells Angels are pretty much the only organized crime in Winnipeg these days, though, I think it's possible the Winnipeg chapter may even be on probation because of it (that's what I've HEARD no idea if it's actually true). They got hit hard in the early 00's and pretty well the only guys on the streets are members of their puppet gangs (zigzag crew and redlined support crew) if I understand correctly.

the Rock Machine tried to move in a year or two ago but it doesn't seem like that has gone well for them. The puppet gangs are dead set against them moving in and the RM doesn't seem to have the support of any of the street gangs (of which there are dozens).

In Canada though, the HA are pretty much the only viable OMC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the impression that I get.


Rock Machine used to be the Bandidos before they went crazy on each other and killed about 6 patched guys and associates right? I think that was them they were all stuffed in an abandoned car on a farmers field?


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Originally Posted By: slumpy
Hells Angels are pretty much the only organized crime in Winnipeg these days, though, I think it's possible the Winnipeg chapter may even be on probation because of it (that's what I've HEARD no idea if it's actually true). They got hit hard in the early 00's and pretty well the only guys on the streets are members of their puppet gangs (zigzag crew and redlined support crew) if I understand correctly.

the Rock Machine tried to move in a year or two ago but it doesn't seem like that has gone well for them. The puppet gangs are dead set against them moving in and the RM doesn't seem to have the support of any of the street gangs (of which there are dozens).

In Canada though, the HA are pretty much the only viable OMC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the impression that I get.


Rock Machine used to be the Bandidos before they went crazy on each other and killed about 6 patched guys and associates right? I think that was them they were all stuffed in an abandoned car on a farmers field?


What I understand is that the founder of the RM was a former HA that broke away to start his own MC (presumably with the blessing of HA) sometime in the 80's. After the Rock Machine / Hells Angels war (1994-2004 I THINK) they became a probationary chapter of the Bandidos.

Had to check wikipedia for the rest of this, so take it with a grain of salt; According to wiki around 2007 a bunch of guys left the quebec bandidos and the bandidos officially dissolved their canadian branches. The left overs of the Bandidos and some Mongols (didn't even know the mongols existed in Canada tbh) reformed the Rock Machine. They try to market themselves as a legit MC now without much luck. Probably because they continually get busted committing crimes.

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Re: Bikers / OMG's [Re: tjonezee] #794658
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You forgot the Wheels Of Soul MC in Philly ( 100 patch members). Black/Mixed 1% clubs are seemingly the most low profile in the biker world, since you can hardly find any in depth investigations on them.


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They had a clubhouse in Camden in the early 90s; back when that city was completely outta hand with the Sons of Malcolm X gang, etc.

The Philly area is def ruled by Pagans nowadays. You don't see a whole lot of Warlock Patches around much, don't know exactly why. Still a bunch in South Jersey. Wheels of Soul move somewhere in between. The Breed are typically outside of Philly and up in central Jersey.


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You forgot the Wheels Of Soul MC in Philly ( 100 patch members). Black/Mixed 1% clubs are seemingly the most low profile in the biker world, since you can hardly find any in depth investigations on them.


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I've heard the HA is much less a criminal organization in the States than it is elsewhere, that true? For whatever reason i sort of thought they pioneered the MC as a vehicle for criminal activity.

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Originally Posted By: slumpy
I've heard the HA is much less a criminal organization in the States than it is elsewhere, that true? For whatever reason i sort of thought they pioneered the MC as a vehicle for criminal activity.
Regardless of their Chapter locations,the HA,as well as all of the other major 1%er Clubs are not and have never been anything but organized criminal gangs. Despite all of the bullsh*t toy runs and charity events,the main activities are dope,prostitution,illegal guns,bike theft,extortion,enforcers-for-hire,gambling,etc. Having said that,it is true that some individual members hold down regular jobs,and own legit businesses,but Clubs don't engage in extreme violence and murder
(against other Clubs as well as innocent civilians),solely to protect their "love of motorcycles and brotherhood".

Re: Bikers / OMG's [Re: tjonezee] #794955
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The warlocks(warbird/florida)and Pagans are having problems in wva.of all places.the warlocks have a good presence in the martinsburg wva and winchester va areas.the pagans have been setting up support clubs all over the place in the area n the warlocks are not liking it at all.the pagans do have a presence in va but not so much that area.very good chance for violence there.they had a c.o.c(coalition of clubs) meeting over it 2weeks ago.idk what happnd tho but they were giving these local clubs n ultimatum...drop the pagan support or be shut down.satans saints or saints of satan are 1of the clubs. I have family in both clubs.im closer with my uncle in the warlocks tho


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Originally Posted By: slumpy
I've heard the HA is much less a criminal organization in the States than it is elsewhere, that true? For whatever reason i sort of thought they pioneered the MC as a vehicle for criminal activity.


It has been very quiet regarding the US chapters of the Hells Angels for years now, while in Canada the club has a reputation for being among the most powerful criminal organizations in the country. The ones you hear the most from are the British Columbia and Quebec based chapters, even though the ones from Manitoba have been making a name for themselves as well.

In Europe they are still the most powerful OMG and also the one most often tied to criminal activities. In my opinion the epicenter for Europe-based HA organized crime is the Netherlands. A lot of Dutch career criminals, whether they come from the traditional white working class areas in Amsterdam or from the Dutch Traveller communities in South Holland, Brabant and Limburg, have been members of or have been tied to the HA. Germany has traditionally been another important HA country, but a lot of chapters have been forbidden by the government now. The German HA chapters have been recruiting a lot of criminals of Turkish background, some of them known to be involved in human trafficking and prostitution. The Scandinavian countries also have quite an amount of HA chapters, but they work very locally and don't have the same reach the ones from the Netherlands and too some extent the ones from Germany have.

Bandidos have chapters throughout Europe as well, but currently the second strongest OMG (and the one also tied a lot to criminal activity) in my opinion is Satudarah. In the Netherlands they've gained quite some power. It was started by bikers of Moluccan origin (a South Indonesian ethnic group of mixed Papuan/Malay origins from which there has been a large immigration to the Netherlands), but has since been acceptive of all races. A lot of members are Moluccan or Dutch (most of them from local traveller communities) though. Both communities are quite clannish and secluded and maybe that's why they've become this strong. While the media has been speaking of a brewing biker war for years now (and indeed in Germany there was some bad blood between HA and Satudarah chapters), in the Netherlands there has nothing serious happened between the two OMG's. On the contrary, since Bandidos recently started up some chapters in the Netherlands this club has immediately become under attack from both the HA and the Satudarah.

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The Bandidos have the strong hold here in Bama. Haven't heard much lately though even though a few years back there was a minor beef in Tuscaloosa but it was over a minor club I think.

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HA in California gets plea deal in shooting death of fellow HA

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/03...n-jose-funeral/

only a 3 year sentence eek

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I've heard the HA is much less a criminal organization in the States than it is elsewhere, that true? For whatever reason i sort of thought they pioneered the MC as a vehicle for criminal activity.


It has been very quiet regarding the US chapters of the Hells Angels for years now, while in Canada the club has a reputation for being among the most powerful criminal organizations in the country. The ones you hear the most from are the British Columbia and Quebec based chapters, even though the ones from Manitoba have been making a name for themselves as well.

In Europe they are still the most powerful OMG and also the one most often tied to criminal activities. In my opinion the epicenter for Europe-based HA organized crime is the Netherlands. A lot of Dutch career criminals, whether they come from the traditional white working class areas in Amsterdam or from the Dutch Traveller communities in South Holland, Brabant and Limburg, have been members of or have been tied to the HA. Germany has traditionally been another important HA country, but a lot of chapters have been forbidden by the government now. The German HA chapters have been recruiting a lot of criminals of Turkish background, some of them known to be involved in human trafficking and prostitution. The Scandinavian countries also have quite an amount of HA chapters, but they work very locally and don't have the same reach the ones from the Netherlands and too some extent the ones from Germany have.

Bandidos have chapters throughout Europe as well, but currently the second strongest OMG (and the one also tied a lot to criminal activity) in my opinion is Satudarah. In the Netherlands they've gained quite some power. It was started by bikers of Moluccan origin (a South Indonesian ethnic group of mixed Papuan/Malay origins from which there has been a large immigration to the Netherlands), but has since been acceptive of all races. A lot of members are Moluccan or Dutch (most of them from local traveller communities) though. Both communities are quite clannish and secluded and maybe that's why they've become this strong. While the media has been speaking of a brewing biker war for years now (and indeed in Germany there was some bad blood between HA and Satudarah chapters), in the Netherlands there has nothing serious happened between the two OMG's. On the contrary, since Bandidos recently started up some chapters in the Netherlands this club has immediately become under attack from both the HA and the Satudarah.


the MB chapter was making some small waves back in the early 00's but they've been essentially dismantled (they still control most of the drug trade via puppet gangs). Very few full patch members are still on the streets. BC and Quebec are way more active (probably because they both have ports).

How much do you think the various HA chapters work together across international lines in Europe? You mentioned the Scandinavians are pretty much local, so I'm assuming there's some degree of cooperation between most of the other chapters.

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There's also a Wheels Of Soul chapter in Birmingham. Here in Mississippi , Bandidos chapters, Sons of Silence, Galloping Goose ( seen 2 members com through Panola county), and The Outcast chapter in Gulfport.


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