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EVERYTIME these people protect themselves they are bashed! Let them do what they have to do, first sign of weakness and they get it from the 300 million that surround and hate them!


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/15/world/meast/mideast-israel-strike-warnings/index.html?c=homepage-t

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I agree we should FINALLY stay out of their business (and other countries as well) and let Israel wipe those fookers off the face of Earth. Israel is no joke military wise to begin with, and who are we and other countries to tell them not to defend themselves and/or strike back?? If the U.S. and others were smart we'd leave them alone and let them finally give Hamas that death stroke they've deserve for a long time!

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Imagine if Mexico was firing rockets into Texas. What would we do?


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I will tell you what we would be doing, we would be dusting off the nukes!


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Originally Posted By: Don Smitty
Imagine if Mexico was firing rockets into Texas. What would we do?

Exactly.


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Re: Israel [Re: Longshoreman] #789609
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Originally Posted By: Longshoreman
EVERYTIME these people protect themselves they are bashed! Let them do what they have to do, first sign of weakness and they get it from the 300 million that surround and hate them!


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/15/world/meast/mideast-israel-strike-warnings/index.html?c=homepage-t


Amen to that. It sickens me how the liberal media in the West constantly condemns Israel and makes excuses for the Palestinians and others surrounding Israel who are bent on it's destruction. I have my theory for why that is but won't go into that right now. And, unfortunately, the guy currently in the White House is no friend of Israel. Virtually without exception, every time Israel has capitulated and given land to the Palestinians, the latter how turned around sooner or later and used that land to launch new attacks on Israel. And Israel shows nothing but restraint when it could easily wipe every last Palestinian (as well as every last Hamas or Hezbollah SOB) off the map.


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It will only be a matter before the US get involved, they can't help it.. wink


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the israeli's crying when people in the united states don't agree with what they do is the same thing as a teenager who's finacially dependent on his parents crying when he gets told he can't do whatever he wants. let them do whatever they want, but without our money and without our weapons. this idea of the all powerful israeli military is a total joke! what weapons do they produce themselves other than a tiny assortment of small arms? they are a conscript army full of women, let's see how long they can last without the blank check mislabeled as us foreign aid!


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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
let's see how long they can last without the blank check mislabeled as us foreign aid!


They are stronger than you give them credit for but we'll agree to disagree there.

As for the quote above EVERY foreign aid package contains weapons. They just never mention that on the news.

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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
They are stronger than you give them credit for but we'll agree to disagree there.

As for the quote above EVERY foreign aid package contains weapons. They just never mention that on the news.

a conscripted army will never be as strong or as well motivated as an all volunteer force, i don't think anybody can or will dispute that point. yes, they have some well trained operatives who are combat experienced, but again, what weapons do they produce themselves? do they manufacture their own f-15/16's? what kind of a navy do they have? are they equiped with any aircraft carriers, or is their navy made up mostly of a bunch of smaller craft and a few subs? where did they come across the nuclear weapons they are alleged to be in possession of? is their small population and economy capable of funding the current military setup they have in place, or are they dependent on help from outside sources? their military force is roughly the same size as that of the uk, who would smoke them in any type of conflict in short order!

i have no dog in the fight over there. i think it's silly for us to continue to waste vast amounts of money to try and shape the region as we see fit, which hasn't exactly worked out too well! i get very annoyed at all of these people who are so passionate about supporting them. imo, unless you are willing to join up or send your own family over there to fight for them, you should keep your fucking ideas to yourself. religious nutjobs have and will continue to kill each other based off of a bunch silly nonsense, best to just steer clear of the whole mess imo!


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Re: Israel [Re: Longshoreman] #789653
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The Israelis produce the Merkeva main battle tank which is one of the world's best. They also have an extensive number of F15s and F16s which they have extensively modified to accommodate their defense needs. Also, the Iron Dome (although subsidized by a US funded financial aid package) is home-grown.


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Thanks to Longshoreman for the topic,

I'm not taking a side here or placing any blame. I just think it's very sad that intolerance is still fueling the desire to do harm whether it be religious, race, gender.... etc. oriented and whether it's in the Middle East or America. I can be pretty intolerant when I don't get what I want or when someone doesn't agree with me, I can only imagine how these folks on all sides feel knowing that there are others who have disdain for their very existence.

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The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves just as surely as the Israelis do. They are human too. It's amazing how that never gets thru in the American media.

If violence is wrong it's wrong for everyone. Eliminationist fantasies aside, the Palestinians aren't going anywhere. If an argument requires denying the humanity of your opponent, it's a shit argument.

In the same way that apartheid South Africa was forced to change, eventually Israel will as well. The occupation and settlements can't continue unending. The only question is how many innocents will die before change occurs.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...e_occupied.html


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ISrael is a small country surrounded by people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth, just as they would like to wipe USA off the face of the earth. They have been a loyal ally to USA. They have a very well equipped and trained military. In response to Don Smitty, If Mexico fired a rocket into this country, I am not too sure what the current administration would do- maybe offer them money to "Be friends"??? Yes-if we had a strong President, we would take combat action to them.

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Change will occur when Palestinians rid themselves of Hezbollah, El Fatah, the Al Aqsa Martyrs, and Hamas (among others), and embrace democracy. Had Egypt not joined Syria in the six day war in '67 and Jordan fulfilled its armistice agreement following the 1948 arab-israeli war, Palestinians would have a state of their own.

It also needs to be understood that the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank is not sponsoring attacks on Israel and that Hamas which is attacking Israel is an illegitimate government in the Gaza Strip which is supposed to be part of the Palestinian Authority territory.

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Change will occur when Palestinians rid themselves of Hezbollah, El Fatah, the Al Aqsa Martyrs, and Hamas (among others), and embrace democracy. Had Egypt not joined Syria in the six day war in '67 and Jordan fulfilled its armistice agreement following the 1948 arab-israeli war, Palestinians would have a state of their own.


Hezbollah is not Palestinian.
And non-violent Palestinians are shot, arrested and beaten just as violent Palestinians are. Fatah has already recognized Israel's right to exist. What they have refused to do is to recognize Israel as "a Jewish state".

There is no chance under current settlement activity for Palestinians to have a state of their own as Israeli land grabs have increased exponentially since 1993 Oslo accords.
Hamas was elected. The Israelis shouldn't be able to elect their leaders and the Palestinian leaders. In war/conflict you can only make peace with enemies.


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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Your post is a mix and match. As I posted above, when the Palestinians rid themselves of terrorists groups, then the Israelis can begin seriously discussing Palestinian integration into a middle east state. Israel is a Jewish state and El Fatah does not speak for the arab world which has consistently since 1948 sought to destroy Israel. Currently, palestinians do not have the gravitas to preclude any palestinian state from becoming a staging area for terrorism against Israel. Hamas was elected in the Gaza strip, but within the Fatah sphere of government which Hamas has refused to recognize.


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One of the under-reported stories is how Palestinians contribute to their own misery through their own bad choices that they refuse to take responsibility for. Case in point:

After Arafat died in late 2005,(leaving his family in Switzerland richer by the $2 billion he embezzled from his own people), Mahmoud Abbas became leader of the Palestinian Authority. Israel thought he was a man of peace so they returned Gaza to the PA--in the process removing 9,000 Jewish settlers, many forcibly, so the Palestinians wouldn't be bothered by any Jews in their midst. The Palestinians immediately voted out the PA and installed Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel. They then started raining rockets down on Israel (~9k by now).

What did the Palestinians think was going to happen when they voted in Hamas? Did they think Israelis would stand idly by while their country was being attacked? And, what did they think would happen now, when Hamas resumed raining missiles on Israel, storing them in private homes, schools, hospitals and mosques? Israel actually warns Gaza residents when they are about to attack, and gives them time to clear out--do we provide similar concern to our enemies in Afghanistan? The people clear out; Hamas urges them to stay because Hamas wants dead martyrs so they can prop up their corrupt, fascistic regime and generate wailing-mother video for the global media.

I believe the average Palestinian doesn't want war any more than the average Israeli, and with good reason: Palestinians have suffered far more casualties in the many battles waged with Israel. But they need to take responsibility for their actions. Hamas, with Gazans' fervid approval, started the current battle.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Palestinians have suffered far more casualties in the many battles waged with Israel. But they need to take responsibility for their actions. Hamas, with Gazans' fervid approval, started the current battle.

Spot....freaking....on.

But this shit's never gonna end.


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Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: olivant
Change will occur when Palestinians rid themselves of Hezbollah, El Fatah, the Al Aqsa Martyrs, and Hamas (among others), and embrace democracy. Had Egypt not joined Syria in the six day war in '67 and Jordan fulfilled its armistice agreement following the 1948 arab-israeli war, Palestinians would have a state of their own.


Hezbollah is not Palestinian.
And non-violent Palestinians are shot, arrested and beaten just as violent Palestinians are. Fatah has already recognized Israel's right to exist. What they have refused to do is to recognize Israel as "a Jewish state".

There is no chance under current settlement activity for Palestinians to have a state of their own as Israeli land grabs have increased exponentially since 1993 Oslo accords.
Hamas was elected. The Israelis shouldn't be able to elect their leaders and the Palestinian leaders. In war/conflict you can only make peace with enemies.


This country gives every shit hole country money including the Palestinians. Dont be selective about israel , if you gotta problem with foreign aid, why don't you aim it at the countries who harbor terrorists.

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Your post is a mix and match. As I posted above, when the Palestinians rid themselves of terrorists groups, then the Israelis can begin seriously discussing Palestinian integration into a middle east state. Israel is a Jewish state and El Fatah does not speak for the arab world which has consistently since 1948 sought to destroy Israel. Currently, palestinians do not have the gravitas to preclude any palestinian state from becoming a staging area for terrorism against Israel. Hamas was elected in the Gaza strip, but within the Fatah sphere of government which Hamas has refused to recognize.


Actually when Hamas was elected Fatah tried to overthrow it and lost. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (Fatah) have now just recently formed a unity government. One of Israel's responses was to imprison/kill Hamas elected officials.

As I've written before Israel has increased the number of settlements during the so-called peace process to the point where it is laughable to talk about a two-state solution. They have done this despite the PA acceding to virtually every Israeli demand. There is, absent massive pressure, no longer room for a two-state solution.

You write as if the Palestinians are destroying Israeli homes, forcing the Israelis into ever smaller refugee areas or using live rounds against protesters. This is not the case. The occupation and creeping annexation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza are criminal actions.

Israel doesn't get to pick the leaders of the Palestinians any more than the French got to decide who led the Algerians or the Americans chose those of the Lakota Sioux. From a Palestinian perspective one could just as easily say that we refuse to negotiate with an Israeli government that includes groups like Shas or Yisrael Beitenu.

The only solution long term is a unitary state with equal rights for all. If South Africa can accomplish it, Israel certainly can.


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Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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What about the rockets Hamas fires into Israel on a daily basis without Israel responding? Do you think that behavior is okay? You seem to imply that you do and that Israel should not be able to defend itself.

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Yeah, this thread was a good idea.


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I hear you Pizza. I just view this issue and the move in this country towards anti Israel viewpoints as more evidence of this country's moral deterioration. We used to support allies.

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Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
I hear you Pizza. I just view this issue and the move in this country towards anti Israel viewpoints as more evidence of this country's moral deterioration. We used to support allies.

I fervently support them, too. But when this thread started, I knew it was going to be trouble. That's all smile.


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One of My daughters graduated from Columbia university in 2002. A lot of the students and teachers at the graduation were wearing scarves. Evidently were Palestinian scarves. They were showing solidarity with the Palestinians.

I did not know what to make of this we just went to celebrate her graduation.


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Originally Posted By: Footreads
One of My daughters graduated from Columbia university in 2002. A lot of the students and teachers at the graduation were wearing scarves. Evidently were Palestinian scarves. They were showing solidarity with the Palestinians.

I did not know what to make of this we just went to celebrate her graduation.

Yeah, Columbia, where they gave Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a platform to spew his hate all in the name of "free speech." rolleyes

Of course that does nothing to diminish your daughter's accomplishments, Foot. But that was the last straw for me with that school. There are liberals, and then there are self-hating Americans. And Columbia crosses that line way too often for my taste.


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Its crazy to me how much the democratic party changed. When I grew up everyone in my family was a democrat. Now everyone in my family votes republican. The democratic party is now just about representing a permanent underclass of minorities addicted to government assistance.

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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
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They are stronger than you give them credit for but we'll agree to disagree there.

As for the quote above EVERY foreign aid package contains weapons. They just never mention that on the news.

a conscripted army will never be as strong or as well motivated as an all volunteer force, i don't think anybody can or will dispute that point. yes, they have some well trained operatives who are combat experienced, but again, what weapons do they produce themselves? do they manufacture their own f-15/16's? what kind of a navy do they have? are they equiped with any aircraft carriers, or is their navy made up mostly of a bunch of smaller craft and a few subs? where did they come across the nuclear weapons they are alleged to be in possession of? is their small population and economy capable of funding the current military setup they have in place, or are they dependent on help from outside sources? their military force is roughly the same size as that of the uk, who would smoke them in any type of conflict in short order!

i have no dog in the fight over there. i think it's silly for us to continue to waste vast amounts of money to try and shape the region as we see fit, which hasn't exactly worked out too well! i get very annoyed at all of these people who are so passionate about supporting them. imo, unless you are willing to join up or send your own family over there to fight for them, you should keep your fucking ideas to yourself. religious nutjobs have and will continue to kill each other based off of a bunch silly nonsense, best to just steer clear of the whole mess imo!


I have no dog in this fight either. Of course the UK would smoke Israel in a war, I never said Israel could handle any of the big dogs (U.S., Russia, UK, etc.) but there is NOT ONE country or organization in the Middle East that could bang heads with Israel and win. They don't need a Navy to sustain themselves, so why even bother with one?

Also as for weapons like olivant said they make the Merkava tank, they also make the LAR (160mm artillery rocket pod launchers), they make the 120mm tank gun for the Merkava's, they make Uzi's as well (not a big military weapon though), they also have their Delilah cruise missile, the Negev machine gun, Desert Eagles (not much good for military use though), the TAR-21 is a good bullpup weapon, they also make a laser guided missile, and of course their best weapon they still make is probably the Galil so yes they are somewhat self sustaining. They are also loaded with F-15 and F-16 fighter jets which are no joke either. So yea as I said they are no joke as a military force but in no way am I saying they could handle the big boys of the world.

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