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"Don't be that guy" #771719
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Jobs and tasks no connected or made guy ever wants to find himself in...feel free to add any I missed.

They guy at the social club who sits by the door and says "This is a private club" when people walk in off the street. (It's always the family idiot)

The guy who digs holes (you know way too much if things go sour)

The guy who covers holes(See the guy who digs holes)

A cleaner (It's only a respected job in the movies, in real life it is sick, twisted and to do it well you have to be borderline psychotic)

A mob Doctor, lawyer or accountant (You usually end up here if you are a degenerate gambler and can't pay your debts)

A Driver (you can face RICO and 30 years or more for doing nothing more then giving someone a ride to work)

A Runner/Mule (all the risk, and these days no rewards)

The family Luca Brasi ( One you get labeled as to go to killer, you will never move up. There are exceptions like Sammy Gravano, but look where he ended up)

The Boss's go to Capo (This is like being promoted to "shift supervisor" , more responsibility, more risk, no more rewards)

The Sit Down Rook (The guys who off to one side when Bosses and Skippers talk something out, These are usually the most intimidating looking low level made guys, and you hear things no one at your level should

The front man (The guy with clan hands who fronts for the bosses or skippers 1099 ventures, you end up dead or as an unindicted co conspirator...See Glick and Dorfman)


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771723
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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: Feech_La_Manna85] #771733
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Originally Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
spoken from the Godfather himself


No, spoken from a guy who managed to dodge all of those jobs except one


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771752
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Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
spoken from the Godfather himself


No, spoken from a guy who managed to dodge all of those jobs except one


You never had the guts to pull the trigger jigga

Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: MikeyO] #771753
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Originally Posted By: MikeyO
Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
spoken from the Godfather himself


No, spoken from a guy who managed to dodge all of those jobs except one


You never had the guts to pull the trigger jigga


Needless to say, I will neither confirm nor deny.


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771783
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How'd you get cash, theArm?

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Originally Posted By: TheAustralian
How'd you get cash, theArm?


I ran guns, put some of my own money on the street and took a cut for collecting for the crew......being a runner was the one gig I could not avoid but when a skipper asks you to do something, and your not even made, you do it.


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771795
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Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
spoken from the Godfather himself


No, spoken from a guy who managed to dodge all of those jobs except one


It is so crazy to me how you live out your fantasies on an internet mob forum. Im sorry but your delusional dude. Not asking to be an ass but how old are you??

Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: Feech_La_Manna85] #771796
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Originally Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
spoken from the Godfather himself


No, spoken from a guy who managed to dodge all of those jobs except one


It is so crazy to me how you live out your fantasies on an internet mob forum. Im sorry but your delusional dude. Not asking to be an ass but how old are you??


Now why would I ever have a conversation with some mook who just called me a liar? Hummm?
Put it this way slick, I am tempted to say the immortal words Alex Rocco "I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders", But I am guessing the closest you ever got to a cheerleader was the water bucket......but since you have a deep interest in my life, I'm 55
You doubt me? so what? You're dots on a screen Corkey...the 5 or 6 people on this forum who know who I am in real life, find people like you amusing. Me? I just find you boring and irrelivant. You are now ignored... see ya.

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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771803
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^^^ And who are those 5 or 6 people?


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TheArm,you are one of the guys that claim that were in the mob or whatever,i don't read your posts.

Trying to convince people in that,so much.If you can please tell me who are those 5-6 people ?


"A fish with his mouth closed never get's caught"
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Seems like a reasonable list.

What's the difference between a cleaner and the guy that digs/covers holes?

I'm assuming you mean that the first is a profession and the second is a part time thing because you haven't the brains / guts to say no and you are usually just a hanger on?

Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771819
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Speaking of how cleaners are portrayed in movies, here are two extremes: Winston Wolf in Pulp Fiction (respected) and Victor the Cleaner in Point of No Return (psycho)...both played by Harvey Keitel. He so rarely plays a normal guy and he's awesome at it.

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Great list, by the way.

Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771821
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These people are not stupid, and they don't need the harassment that you crazies seem to have the spare time in your lives to deal out, and they were not going to name me in an open forum, so they have communicated via PM. If you happen to live either in Upstate NY or the Chicago Area, and have some knowledge of these subjects can connect the dots, it's really not that big a mystery. My name and contact is all over the internet in relation to my current business ventures. Most I disclosed to if they got it right, one I didn't because frankly I don't trust them seeing their posts on here. One just last night engaged me in an open thread and I would appreciate it if you would leave them alone, as this person is an old fried from another forum in which I could speak more freely about my actual identity, and they are genuinely interested in meaningful topics on the subject. Hope this helps

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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: Dirty_Sox_Bob] #771824
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Originally Posted By: Dirty_Sox_Bob
Seems like a reasonable list.

What's the difference between a cleaner and the guy that digs/covers holes?

I'm assuming you mean that the first is a profession and the second is a part time thing because you haven't the brains / guts to say no and you are usually just a hanger on?



A "cleaner" is a person who bleeds out and dismembers bodies, mops up blood and wipes down the area with acetone to counter the Fluorescein, packages everything on lime and makes the murder scene look nice and spiffy. It is a skill, but the guys who do this are not respected, they are looked upon as a necessary evil.

Holes, contrary to the movies and TV, in a pre planned hit, are dug in advance of the hit, and cleaners don't generally take the body to the hole, it is usually a separate function


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: ChristyC] #771825
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Originally Posted By: ChristyC
Speaking of how cleaners are portrayed in movies, here are two extremes: Winston Wolf in Pulp Fiction (respected) and Victor the Cleaner in Point of No Return (psycho)...both played by Harvey Keitel. He so rarely plays a normal guy and he's awesome at it.


Love Harvey Keitel...he makes you believe the role.
There is a TV show called "The black list" where the cleaner is a sweet old lady in her 70s...LOL..


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771826
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Ahhh, OK. I knew that digging a hole was best done before, I just didn't realise that someone other hit crew would do it.

As for the cleaner - I've seen Pulp Fiction but figured it was just Tarrentino (sp?) Pulp Fiction. It makes me wonder how someone gets into that line of work? Attention to detail, a strong stomach and batshit crazy, I guess. What would they earn a job? I figure it would be based on how good you are, but if you weren't good at it you wouldn't last long either, would you?

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Originally Posted By: Strax
TheArm,you are one of the guys that claim that were in the mob or whatever,i don't read your posts.

Trying to convince people in that,so much.If you can please tell me who are those 5-6 people ?



Here's the thing, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
If you think I had time in my life to research and memorize to the ability to describe the events from the 60s to the 90s in upstate NY in the detail I have, and NO ONE has ever found even a minor inconsistency,error or lie right down to dates and places, you guys must think I'm a fucking genius, and if you do, who am I to argue with THAT?
LOL
So think what you like my friend.
You should read my posts though, a lot of people find them interesting and informative


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Originally Posted By: Dirty_Sox_Bob
Ahhh, OK. I knew that digging a hole was best done before, I just didn't realise that someone other hit crew would do it.

As for the cleaner - I've seen Pulp Fiction but figured it was just Tarrentino (sp?) Pulp Fiction. It makes me wonder how someone gets into that line of work? Attention to detail, a strong stomach and batshit crazy, I guess. What would they earn a job? I figure it would be based on how good you are, but if you weren't good at it you wouldn't last long either, would you?


A job like that would usually pay off a Vig for a few months.
The BEST cleaners of all time were the Westies.
These crazy Irish bastards had it down to a SCIENCE.
Kevin McElroy used to brag that when properly done, a body would be cut up in 16 pieces.
Coonan used to remind the guys who did the work to puncture the lungs and stomach if the torso if it was being disposed o9f in water, so it wouldn't float.
I had displeasure of meeting a couple of these psychos in person once, Kevin McCue and Kenny Shannon. Between the two of them they might have had 1000 working brain cells. It is possible Shannon was mildly retarded. They were two of the least intimidating guys I had ever seen, but these guys were awesome killers and the BEST at what they called "Doing the Houdini"(Disappearing someone) I was never so glad to leave a bar in my life.


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A couple of low level wiseguys used to give me money to fetch them ice cream and coffee too but I don't go around calling myself a made guy on a mob forum.


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Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Dirty_Sox_Bob
Ahhh, OK. I knew that digging a hole was best done before, I just didn't realise that someone other hit crew would do it.

As for the cleaner - I've seen Pulp Fiction but figured it was just Tarrentino (sp?) Pulp Fiction. It makes me wonder how someone gets into that line of work? Attention to detail, a strong stomach and batshit crazy, I guess. What would they earn a job? I figure it would be based on how good you are, but if you weren't good at it you wouldn't last long either, would you?


A job like that would usually pay off a Vig for a few months.
The BEST cleaners of all time were the Westies.
These crazy Irish bastards had it down to a SCIENCE.
Kevin McElroy used to brag that when properly done, a body would be cut up in 16 pieces.
Coonan used to remind the guys who did the work to puncture the lungs and stomach if the torso if it was being disposed o9f in water, so it wouldn't float.
I had displeasure of meeting a couple of these psychos in person once, Kevin McCue and Kenny Shannon. Between the two of them they might have had 1000 working brain cells. It is possible Shannon was mildly retarded. They were two of the least intimidating guys I had ever seen, but these guys were awesome killers and the BEST at what they called "Doing the Houdini"(Disappearing someone) I was never so glad to leave a bar in my life.


Thanks. I've spent most of my life knocking around with low-level gangster wannabees (I'm not from the US so we have different rules). Never in the game but enough on the fringes that I've shaken hands with men that would scare Satan himself, and definitely had me wishing I was somewhere else. And more than a couple of them ended up as worm food. I know enough to know it's not a life I want to live so I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.

I love the outside looking in, but never enough to want to be in, so it's nice that you take the time to give me a glass window to look through and try and understand the truly hard men that I run across from time to time.

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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
A couple of low level wiseguys used to give me money to fetch them ice cream and coffee too but I don't go around calling myself a made guy on a mob forum.


I was never made, never claimed to be.
I was a kid who was a good earner made it to mid level associate becuse of my family legacy, in a low level crew that had a shitstorm come down on us out of nowhere back in the late 70s and 80s.
Never claimed to be anything more.


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Originally Posted By: Dirty_Sox_Bob
Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Dirty_Sox_Bob
Ahhh, OK. I knew that digging a hole was best done before, I just didn't realise that someone other hit crew would do it.

As for the cleaner - I've seen Pulp Fiction but figured it was just Tarrentino (sp?) Pulp Fiction. It makes me wonder how someone gets into that line of work? Attention to detail, a strong stomach and batshit crazy, I guess. What would they earn a job? I figure it would be based on how good you are, but if you weren't good at it you wouldn't last long either, would you?


A job like that would usually pay off a Vig for a few months.
The BEST cleaners of all time were the Westies.
These crazy Irish bastards had it down to a SCIENCE.
Kevin McElroy used to brag that when properly done, a body would be cut up in 16 pieces.
Coonan used to remind the guys who did the work to puncture the lungs and stomach if the torso if it was being disposed o9f in water, so it wouldn't float.
I had displeasure of meeting a couple of these psychos in person once, Kevin McCue and Kenny Shannon. Between the two of them they might have had 1000 working brain cells. It is possible Shannon was mildly retarded. They were two of the least intimidating guys I had ever seen, but these guys were awesome killers and the BEST at what they called "Doing the Houdini"(Disappearing someone) I was never so glad to leave a bar in my life.


Thanks. I've spent most of my life knocking around with low-level gangster wannabees (I'm not from the US so we have different rules). Never in the game but enough on the fringes that I've shaken hands with men that would scare Satan himself, and definitely had me wishing I was somewhere else. And more than a couple of them ended up as worm food. I know enough to know it's not a life I want to live so I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.

I love the outside looking in, but never enough to want to be in, so it's nice that you take the time to give me a glass window to look through and try and understand the truly hard men that I run across from time to time.


No Problem
I am lucky in that I was able to back away keep an arms length distance after being a guest of the Federal prison system. Had I not stood up and refused to flip, and were not the son and nephew of made guys, that would not have been possible.
I keep communications open with old friends, and I am in a business where I brush up against Outfit and Rockford guys almost on a daily basis. Were it not for my background, this would not be possible either, so all in all, I have no regrets


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Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: TheArm] #771835
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That old lady in Blacklist is the best cleaner out there lol.

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But why talk about it online. Why do you feel you have let everyone no your a low level mob associate. This thread is total suspect. If you no what you are than that's all the matters. As soon as you feel you have to tell everyone is when I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth.
It's like your trying to brag on the internet this thread would have been good until the lies started coming out.


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There is another guy "Not to be" and recently, I had no choice but to "be that guy"
The business I run is hospitality, entertainment, and travel and people pay for different levels of access. I was hopelessly short of help one night. So I get a call saying there was no one to take the door of one of the areas which required VIP access.
So I grumble and swear a little, throw on a track suit and new balance walking shoes (of all fucking things) and drive to Rosemont and sit my ass outside this door checking VIP passes.
A client and friend of mine, who is one of the coolest most stand up right women I have ever known, looks at me and bursts out laughing.
She says "You look like you just came from central casting to be in a really bad mob movie"..she was right..and it was freaking funny.
When you run the business, you gotta do what you gotta do


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What kind of travel you offer arm?

Re: "Don't be that guy" [Re: PhillyMob] #771839
04/06/14 06:17 AM
04/06/14 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: PhillyMob
But why talk about it online. Why do you feel you have let everyone no your a low level mob associate. This thread is total suspect. If you no what you are than that's all the matters. As soon as you feel you have to tell everyone is when I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth.
It's like your trying to brag on the internet this thread would have been good until the lies started coming out.


My friend, I have NEVER mentioned my background unless:
It was in the context of the subject
Or
When other people bring it up.
I just find it amazing that some of you are so befuddled that a guy like me who is half assed connected these days and did some time 30 years ago, mentions it on a Mob related site.
For Christ sake there is a private site (I used to help write for it) That has made guys who chime in from time to time.
Was I more travaled and more well know then most guys at my level, Yeah I was, having a made father and two made Uncles will do that for a guy. So yeah, I knew Pittsburgh guys, Cleveland guys, Providence guys(I lived there for a year) Scranton/Pittston Guys. Some of these guys I knew since I was a kid. I ran guns so I met a couple of Westies. I run a business where I have outfit and Rockford guys as clients.
Not claiming to be the Ghost of Al capo0ne guys, relax


Been there and done it
I am very much for real, so if you ask, make sure you really want to know.
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