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Back in the 70s and 80s, just before porn became "mainstream", LCN was neck deep in t6he industry
All of the early west coast porn industry producers, Trainer, Orley, Damiano, Gorley, were all paying juice to what was then the LA family. But it didn't end there.
Theaters and "Adult book stores" were shaken down as well.
A lot of guys went in entry level as "clickers and counters"
A "clicker" was a guy who went into a porn theater with one of those old fashioned low tech hand held devises where every time you pressed the button, the numbers would progress and it would "click".
They then reported how many people were in the theater, and that was the means by which the vig the owner had to pay was established.
"Counters" were guys who went in and counted the number of VHS tapes and mags were on the shelves and store rooms of the book stores, and then keep a daily count on what was sold, again, that determined the Vig.
If this sounds like nickles and dimes, think again.
It was collectively very lucrative.
This still happens to a lesser extent today in certain places, only needless to say no one uses "clickers" anymore


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As I'm an owner of adult theaters, what still happens today?

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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
As I'm an owner of adult theaters, what still happens today?


There are still places where adult theaters are shaken down.
Doesn't happen everywhere but it still happens, especially if you happen to provide "other services' as well.
I too own an Adult Business,I pay no one one, but there is a guy who runs something similar to mine in the south Burbs, who has to come up with an envelope every week...I'm just "lucky" I guess.


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I definitely believe not as widespread as once was. I've seen infiltration of service related businesses that we all need to operate as the way they attempt to get an in.

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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
I definitely believe not as widespread as once was. I've seen infiltration of service related businesses that we all need to operate as the way they attempt to get an in.



Someone once said something that may sum up the reason for the decline of LCN more so than the efforts of the FBI and OC task forces combined;
"It only works if they think it does"
My favorite Sopranos episode of all was when Paulie and Sal tried to shake down the Starbucks...and the manager was like...huh?


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Your in Texas and someone near you is "paying" ??? interesting

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Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
As I'm an owner of adult theaters, what still happens today?


There are still places where adult theaters are shaken down.
Doesn't happen everywhere but it still happens, especially if you happen to provide "other services' as well.
I too own an Adult Business,I pay no one one, but there is a guy who runs something similar to mine in the south Burbs, who has to come up with an envelope every week...I'm just "lucky" I guess.
is there anything in life you havent done?

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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
Your in Texas and someone near you is "paying" ??? interesting


Texas?

I'm in Cook County Il


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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
As I'm an owner of adult theaters, what still happens today?


There are still places where adult theaters are shaken down.
Doesn't happen everywhere but it still happens, especially if you happen to provide "other services' as well.
I too own an Adult Business,I pay no one one, but there is a guy who runs something similar to mine in the south Burbs, who has to come up with an envelope every week...I'm just "lucky" I guess.
is there anything in life you havent done?


Yeah, lots, my bucket list is extensive
I happen to run a legal business, just like millions of other people
I figured there are two legal things that always sell, Sex and accounting, and I suck at math.


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Arm my bad on state, apologies. Yes I believe some quasi crews still attempting to exert influence in Florida.

I know first hand atm's are being installed in many businesses as a shake down intro.

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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
Arm my bad on state, apologies. Yes I believe some quasi crews still attempting to exert influence in Florida.

I know first hand atm's are being installed in many businesses as a shake down intro.


Gotta love hi tech rackets...!!


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Arm what do you do in the skin biz if you don't mind me asking? If you'd rather keep it private I understand as well.

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Originally Posted By: RollinBones
Arm what do you do in the skin biz if you don't mind me asking? If you'd rather keep it private I understand as well.


I can say in in such a way that I still protect some level of anonymity, although some people have figured out who I am anyway.

I run an "underground" but legal club where members can meet mingle and romp, exchange info and hook up in places which I also provide, buy "accessories" and travel to adult locations and resorts from Jamaica to Thailand.


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Sounds like a swing club operator. Best of luck Arm in your ventures.

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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
Sounds like a swing club operator. Best of luck Arm in your ventures.


I would like to think it is that and more...we provide a full range of services to that community.
Thank you my friend


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Has "Ant" tried to sell you any of his paintings for the club?

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Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
Has "Ant" tried to sell you any of his paintings for the club?


Oh hell yes...lol
Photos too.
What a pain in the ass.
That hit close to home
Clearly you are one who knows what you are talking about...Bravo my friend


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Butchie, Joseph, and Joe jr owned 2/3 of Damiano Film Productions. When Deep Throat came out they sent checkers all over to collect their investments. The mafia couldn't stop theater owners from pulling their own scams when the checkers were looking the other way. The ticket taker did not tear the ticket in half and give the patron back half the stub. Normally half was dropped in a receipt box. Instead of of tearing the ticket in 2 the whole ticket was kept by the usher and returned to the box office and re-sold. And at the end of the night the numbered tickets would not reflect the reused tickets and a lower number of attendance was recorded.(Scaming The Scammer) Big Tony Peraino, Michael Zaffarano and DiBi dominated the distribution of porn back in the day. Butchie had a business in BK called All State Film Lab where they used to make counterfeit dupes of other peoples films.


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How much is online porn cutting into business and shakedowns?

I live in a city pretty famous for it's vice, one of the big adult shops (sold videos, sex toys and bondage stuff) that had a fairly good mail-order business was shut down. I know friends of the owner and they said it was because he had next to zero internet presence. Online mechants simply killed him.

The local old-school adult theatre seems to be on it's last legs and nieghborhood it's in is rapidly gentrifying, so it will probably be gone in the next couple of years.

The strip-clubs are still going strong of course, plenty of tourists come here with wads to gamble at the casinos and husbands on "business trips" want to see the real thing.

The legal cat-houses are going strong too even though they have to set-up 25 miles out of town.

But I know a couple of girls who are cam girls and they make a pretty good bank for $500 investment on equipment and the cut from the websites they work for. The only way to shakedown someone doing that is blackmail, but thier already on the internet for anyone to see in the first place. If someone wants to find you, they will find you.

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Originally Posted By: Tony_Pro
How much is online porn cutting into business and shakedowns?

I live in a city pretty famous for it's vice, one of the big adult shops (sold videos, sex toys and bondage stuff) that had a fairly good mail-order business was shut down. I know friends of the owner and they said it was because he had next to zero internet presence. Online mechants simply killed him.

The local old-school adult theatre seems to be on it's last legs and nieghborhood it's in is rapidly gentrifying, so it will probably be gone in the next couple of years.

The strip-clubs are still going strong of course, plenty of tourists come here with wads to gamble at the casinos and husbands on "business trips" want to see the real thing.

The legal cat-houses are going strong too even though they have to set-up 25 miles out of town.

But I know a couple of girls who are cam girls and they make a pretty good bank for $500 investment on equipment and the cut from the websites they work for. The only way to shakedown someone doing that is blackmail, but thier already on the internet for anyone to see in the first place. If someone wants to find you, they will find you.


Well the tity bars (what we call strip joints in the South) will NEVER go out of business.

As for adult theaters they are going out for one reason, people are afraid to be seen in there in this day and age of everyone having a camera on their phone. If you are some young punk caught in there then run for office and a video surfaces you are done career wise. Just the way it is. They still make money somewhat but with free porn all over the web why leave home? That is what is killing them.

Online porn is still making plenty of money. It's like music singers claiming they are not making money because of music downloads and Kazaa, etc. but yet their albums are still going platinum. Something doesn't smell right.

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Originally Posted By: Tony_Pro
How much is online porn cutting into business and shakedowns?

I live in a city pretty famous for it's vice, one of the big adult shops (sold videos, sex toys and bondage stuff) that had a fairly good mail-order business was shut down. I know friends of the owner and they said it was because he had next to zero internet presence. Online mechants simply killed him.

The local old-school adult theatre seems to be on it's last legs and nieghborhood it's in is rapidly gentrifying, so it will probably be gone in the next couple of years.

The strip-clubs are still going strong of course, plenty of tourists come here with wads to gamble at the casinos and husbands on "business trips" want to see the real thing.

The legal cat-houses are going strong too even though they have to set-up 25 miles out of town.

But I know a couple of girls who are cam girls and they make a pretty good bank for $500 investment on equipment and the cut from the websites they work for. The only way to shakedown someone doing that is blackmail, but thier already on the internet for anyone to see in the first place. If someone wants to find you, they will find you.



On line porn changed everything,there had been a legal dispute between the producers and the "tube" sites bootlegging clips, but that has been worked out with hit and ad exchanges, so both parties make money off the other.

Generally the only reason you still see theaters are that they usually provide other services. There is a establishment in Melrose park Illinois for example, that is a theater, spa bookstore, toy store and banquet hall for stag parties and the like

A guy was just convicted here in Chicago for planning the murder of a strip club owner, in order to bring the other hood out into line, and bring the majority of the adult industry in the area in line, the sick part of that is, they both got in line without anyone getting killed

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Arm what do you do in the skin biz if you don't mind me asking? If you'd rather keep it private I understand as well.


I can say in in such a way that I still protect some level of anonymity, although some people have figured out who I am anyway.

I run an "underground" but legal club where members can meet mingle and romp, exchange info and hook up in places which I also provide, buy "accessories" and travel to adult locations and resorts from Jamaica to Thailand.

Sounds interesting, I'm sure you've seen some bizarre shit lol. Thanks for the info.

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Arm what do you do in the skin biz if you don't mind me asking? If you'd rather keep it private I understand as well.


I can say in in such a way that I still protect some level of anonymity, although some people have figured out who I am anyway.

I run an "underground" but legal club where members can meet mingle and romp, exchange info and hook up in places which I also provide, buy "accessories" and travel to adult locations and resorts from Jamaica to Thailand.

Sounds interesting, I'm sure you've seen some bizarre shit lol. Thanks for the info.


Never a dull moment..lol

Thanks and no problem


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