This is what happen happens when you don't tow the line....

Two men were convicted of murder Wednesday in the October 2008 shooting death of Manuel Martin, a 30-year-old member of the Mongols Motorcycle Club.

Jurors found Richard Clayborne, 40, and Jose Gonzalez, 36, guilty of killing Martin, who lived in Venice, as he rode alongside another motorcyclist on the 2 Freeway in Glendale, authorities said.

http://homicide.latimes.com/post/two-men-convicted-killing-mongols-motorcycle-gang-member/







This guy Doc really had a pair. He thinks he can just take over the club, steal from the members, write a book, blab all about the club to the media, and finally start a war the Mexican Mafia! After its all done, he offers to throw everyone under the bus when the hammer finally comes down. I know he was already voted out of the club when he was indicted, but still...He is lucky his own guys didn't move on him. Apparently the Mongols don't kill their own guys even if they are in bad standing.

Hi Ignocio welcome to the boards. The word around LA is that the EME no longer has a green light on the Mongols. when they booted Doc from the club, that was enough for them. Hope he enjoys PC for the next ten years.

@Gingello101182

Thanks for the info. I had never heard of Sandy Alexander. Was he mentioned in the book that Sonny Barger wrote? I read it a long time ago so I kind of forget. Anyway, I did a search on him and found this maniac....


This guy was one sick puppy. Apparently back in the late 70s he killed some broad by throwing her off a 6 story building while a crowd cheered him on. In 1979, while out on bail he got murked by another member named Michael "Irish" O'Farrell out of the Oakland chapter. 10 years later, Irish himself was wasted by fellow tweaked out Angels.

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-06-11/news/mn-3190_1_barger-national-leader-los-angeles-times

Don't know if any of you guys watched true detective but this guy reminds me of the serial killer at the end.

Whats he got around his forearms?

Vagos have affiliation with the Nazi Lowriders.

He got some leather armor/bracelet thing with chains. hahaha Look how small the drink in his hand looks. haha..Hes got some serious ink on him too. Thats some pretty good work, especially for the 70s.

To me, he reminds of Bronson from the movie Street Trash. He seemed like the same kind of guy too...

That's good to hear. I hope the peace lasts. I'm sure it will, cuz they sure learned their lesson.

I was curious because I haven't seen them around much lately. They are probably keeping a low profile these days. I used to see them deep on the freeways and in bars on Sunset. I don't know any of them personally, but I have an old friend who had family in the club. Its mostly Angels where I'm staying right now. As far as I know, they are still "on site" with Mongols if they happened to run into each other.

Hey Ignocio I know what you mean. The Mongols and Vagos still hang around Sunset on the weekends, but not in the numbers they used to.

From what I have heard from some of the guys who are full patch HA's is that the conflict with the Mongols has all but ceased since Doc stepped down. The Mongols had a meeting with some HA guys and blamed all the old beefs on Doc. The HA knew they were lying but decided to accept it. I am not saying the HA and the Mongols hold hands and sing we are the world, they are just not trying to actively hunt each other anymore. If one side feels disrespected things could pop off, but for now things are chill. I will post more about Sandy later. I think he was mentioned in Sonny's book but what people do not get is that the Angels east and west coast chapters only interact on mandatory runs. they basically have very little business together. what they do have is on a one to one personal basis. For example: member A from the East Coast buys speed from member B on the West Coast. There is no actual club business between them. The HA are like McDonald's as all their chapters are franchises. They share the same name and rules but they operate independently. There are some chapters that are not involved in criminal activity at all.

A hells angel in springfield mass was convicted and sentenced to 3 life terms recently for a triple murder.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/02/judge_said_adam_lee_halls_trip.html

Wow...Those cases were really sad. I had heard about the Oakland Hells Angel murder, but I never heard the whole story. That was intense.

http://www.agingrebel.com/9925

Everyone should read this, its really wild.


You were right, Gingello, the green light was lifted as soon as Doc was kicked out. That post I made about that Mongols murder being an EME sanctioned hit was apparently false. The Aging Rebel says it was done by Tooner Ville over a fight at a bar that was started by undercover ATF agents posing as Mongols. It says the agents got word from other cops that something was gonna go down that night, so they bailed out and let them get blasted. Then the next day they abruptly indict a bunch of Mongols in the middle of investigation.

Thanks, he looks some sort of sado masochist ( if I've spelt that right). Why did he throw the woman off the roof?

Check out this you tube vid. There are a couple of scenes with this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5nOs8qshM

Thanks for posting that. Its a great documentary. good footage of new york back then

I laughed when u said members of the vagos and mongols dressed cholo style, a lot of the Mongols and Vagos are growing out of the cholo look than what u saw before. Don't see any of the hells angels kids growing out of the hip hop style yet and they ride there bikes wearing shorts and tennis shoes. lol

I wanna hear some stuff bout sandy a.cant find shit except wats in the yves lavigne book

sex assault at wheels of soul clubhouse
http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2014/...ml#incart_river

If the black pistons are a support club for outlaws mc, why do they wear the state rocker with outlaws? are black pistons one percenters?

What do you mean? The same bottom rockers as the outlaws? Because the Outlaws allow them to. If they weren't backed by the Outlaws then they wouldn't be able to.

They are 1%s, but kind of like a farm team for the Outlaws to recruit from. They do the Outlaw's dirty work without attracting heat for them.

most support clubs don't have the state rockers

Sandy Alexander moved to NYC in 1967, shortly after returning from the Vietnam War, where he served in the Marine Corps. He joined a motorcycle club called the Aliens MC shortly after arriving in NYC. Sandy was a lot like other Vietnam Vets (as well as Vets from other wars), he felt alienated and longed for the brotherhood he had in the Marines. In the Aliens MC, he found guys like him who liked to drink, fight, get high, and chase broads. Sandy was different from his fellow club brothers in that he felt like he could be more than just your average biker.
Sandy observed how his club brothers and other bikers tended to travel all over, and they all liked to party. Most bikers he knew sold drugs or pimped out women in order to make enough money to pay for their next orgy of drugs, booze, and women. He thought why not establish a network to sell drugs regularly, not just when the club needs money? It took him a month or so, but he established a fairly lucrative drug ring. In 1968, Alexander began his indoctrination into the HA.
In 1968, Mitch Macauley and several other full patch member from Oakland came out east to try to expand the HA. In order to do this, the Angels would visit various cities back east, and then recruit and eventually patch over the most successful independent clubs. Mitch helped to establish the Rochester chapter by patching over a local club called the Hacker MC. In NYC, the Aliens MC, in particular Sandy were the main focus for the Angels. The Angels liked Sandy and decided to let him Strike for the club (the Angels call it striking while other clubs call it prospecting). Sandy’s striking period lasted a year and in 1969 the NYC chapter was formed. Some of Sandy’s brothers from the Aliens patched over while other did not make the cut.
After Sandy got his patch, he began to aggressively recruit and expand his drug ring. He began importing meth, PCP, marijuana, and LSD from his club brothers in California. He got his cocaine from some Colombians in Queens, who were connected with the Cali Cartel, and he got his heroin from I believe it was Philly Lucky of the Bonannos. His drug ring got so big that he began supplying every HA chapter on the Eastern Seaboard. It got to appoint where Angels in the East Coast saw Alexander as their true leader, not Sonny Barger. It was in the late 1970s-early 1980s that Sandy decided to expand the HA north of the border. Many of the details about the Angels in Canada have been discussed so I will spare the details of this.
Alexander and the NYC chapters had several cocaine customers north of the border who told them how lucrative the business was up there. At that point a kilo of cocaine (this may not be exactly right FYI) in the US sold for around $55,000. In Canada it went for around $80,000. The Angels decided the market was too lucrative to pass up so they sent their members up to Canada and the rest is history. Sandy went to prison around 1986, but not before he ordered the massacre of the Laval chapter, as they were using more product than they were selling. I believe if Sandy had not gone to prison and was on the street when Mom Boucher was carrying on up north, Mom would have curbed the violence if Sandy asked him too. Sandy was one of Mom’s role models, he wanted to be Sandy. Also the guys that went up north to talk to Mom were West Coast Angels, that he ma have met twice in his life. He knew the East Coast guys not the west coast guys. I never understood why the Angels sent guys that Mom did not even know. these guys are not exactly brain surgeons lol.
I will write more stories about Sandy and I also have the story about why Fat Vinny tossed that girl off the club house. There is very little about Sandy and the NYC chapter that is not common knowledge. I hope that I can add to this.