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FBI misinformation, how and why they use it #765510
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Most people who have an interest in such things, (apparently except for a few FBI worshipping boy scouts) fully realize that misinformation is a time tested tool of the FBI, and most all law enforcement agencies. The FBI has used misinformation in both public and internal documents for nearly 60 years. For those who don’t know, it has two primary functions
1. A way to detect leaks
2. A way to generate chatter among those they have under surveillance
Here is how detecting leaks works;
The FBI creates an internal classified document that is distributed to certain sections, departments and individuals. It is totally false and manufactured. If the contents or subject of the document is ever discussed outside the agency, since there is no truth to it, BINGO, someone leaked it and they have it narrowed down to those who had access to the document.
Here is how the creation of chatter works.
Again, the FBI creates a document, this time public, the same things everyone has seen on the internet.
They will publish something as ridiculous as for example, Chicago having 28 made members, something some people in these very forums have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Make no mistake, wise guys love their own press and they read these things. Inevitably this creates chatter among those both on and off the list, and when they talk, the FBI listens.
This is why what the FBI publishes about OC in public places should not only be taken with a grain of salt, it should be disregarded all together


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1. To influence the highly prestigious INTERNET FORUMS like gangsterbb, a known site used by made guys. Frank Cali has a handle in fact and uses it collect intelligence.
2. To help a google gangster named "The Arm" write complete nonsense that nobody buys.

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: FBI misinformation, how and why they use it [Re: LittleNicky] #765538
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
1. To influence the highly influential INTERNET FORUMS like gangsterbb, a known site used by made guy. Frank Cali has a handle in fact and uses it collect intelligence.
2. To help a google gangster named "The Arm" write complete nonsense that nobody buys.


"Using the term "Nobody" is the eqivilant of saying "everyone" which is a sure sign of both stupidity and mental illness....grow up son and listen, you might actually learn something


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Originally Posted By: TheArm

"Using the term "Nobody" is the eqivilant of saying "everyone" which is a sure sign of both stupidity and mental illness....grow up son and listen, you might actually learn something


Sounds like the sort of pseudo-intellectual, completely incoherent garbage that I would expect scrawled across a stall in a high school restroom.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: TheArm

"Using the term "Nobody" is the eqivilant of saying "everyone" which is a sure sign of both stupidity and mental illness....grow up son and listen, you might actually learn something


Sounds like the sort of pseudo-intellectual, completely incoherent garbage that I would expect scrawled across a stall in a high school restroom.


Of course it does,I already told you it is clear you are ignorant.
Pretty simple, people who claim to speak for "everyone" are batshit crazy...now why don'y you grow up, stop the thread hijacking and either contribute something useful, or go lick some windows


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Where was that claim made? Then again, if you didn't pass out of junior high, you probably take everything as literally as possible.

Additionally, where is that citation that I asked for earlier? I would love to actually read this case that you believe justifies your wild ability to ignore information that doesn't support your case with a simple "SUPREME COURTZ SAID ITSSS"


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Where was that claim made? Then again, if you didn't pass out of junior high, you probably take everything as literally as possible.

Additionally, where is that citation that I asked for earlier? I would love to actually read this case that you believe justifies your wild ability to ignore information that doesn't support your case with a simple "SUPREME COURTZ SAID ITSSS"


"Nobody" is "Everybody" inverted short bus....like I said...You are amazingly ignorant
What "citation" short bus?
If you mean the FBI and law enfiorcement going to court for the right to lie and misinform, I posted tghose cases, weeks ago.
Try to keep up..K short bus?


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Arm, it's the same way here in NY. They release the most ridiculous press release known to the criminal element... That once again, they're trimming down the LCN troupes in charge of the 5 families of NYC. Who announces such a thing unless you want to drum up business? What purpose would it serve other than to self escalate your importance? Even if they did trim the troupes, which I am sure they have, they're not needed anyway. Over the last decade they've locked just about everyone up, indicted them or recruited them. Not many left out there!
So misinformation or a tactic to drum up business, No difference to me, it's all a crock of shit-filled lies and bullshit so they can climb the corporate gubmint job ladder. Fuck em. I wouldn't believe a word any of them said if they had their hand on top of the Virgin Mary's head while she was standing on a stack of Bible's.
Lastly, anyone talking about things released by the FBI and being listened to by the FBI is going to be the perfect target for another 40-80 man sweep with conviction #s to boot because they will be a bunch of big mouthed imbeciles who drive around in escalades and have shore houses in jersey. Easy fishin. The feds have to actually exercise real police work by veteran agents to score the big fish. They won't be caught by a group of rookie up starters looking to graduate to the terrorism division.

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Originally Posted By: Garbageman
Arm, it's the same way here in NY. They release the most ridiculous press release known to the criminal element... That once again, they're trimming down the LCN troupes in charge of the 5 families of NYC. Who announces such a thing unless you want to drum up business? What purpose would it serve other than to self escalate your importance? Even if they did trim the troupes, which I am sure they have, they're not needed anyway. Over the last decade they've locked just about everyone up, indicted them or recruited them. Not many left out there!
So misinformation or a tactic to drum up business, No difference to me, it's all a crock of shit-filled lies and bullshit so they can climb the corporate gubmint job ladder. Fuck em. I wouldn't believe a word any of them said if they had their hand on top of the Virgin Mary's head while she was standing on a stack of Bible's.
Lastly, anyone talking about things released by the FBI and being listened to by the FBI is going to be the perfect target for another 40-80 man sweep with conviction #s to boot because they will be a bunch of big mouthed imbeciles who drive around in escalades and have shore houses in jersey. Easy fishin. The feds have to actually exercise real police work by veteran agents to score the big fish. They won't be caught by a group of rookie up starters looking to graduate to the terrorism division.


Indeed the landmark case was Frazier v. Cupp, and it involved local police agencies in direct contact with suspects, but later the Ashcroft justice department ruled it applied to media and press releases as well. It was challanged in Drumm vs USDJ and the high cort refuse to over rule a circuit court decision supporting the Justice departments position.
A great example of how this worked was with Gatti and Gravano. The FBI higly overstated Sammy the Bull's construction influnce in it's public press releases. gatti is heard on actual FBI tapes referencing this and saying...top paraphrase.."he has all these fucking businesses, where is my cut" ?


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Re: FBI misinformation, how and why they use it [Re: TheArm] #765565
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If you believe that these Law Enforcement agencies DON'T use misinformation techniques then your pretty naive.

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If you believe that these Law Enforcement agencies DON'T use misinformation techniques then your pretty naive.


Exactly, I can not even belive there are those who apperently follow crime and law enforcement as a hobby that don't know or are surprised by this.


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Originally Posted By: TheArm
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Where was that claim made? Then again, if you didn't pass out of junior high, you probably take everything as literally as possible.

Additionally, where is that citation that I asked for earlier? I would love to actually read this case that you believe justifies your wild ability to ignore information that doesn't support your case with a simple "SUPREME COURTZ SAID ITSSS"


"Nobody" is "Everybody" inverted short bus....like I said...You are amazingly ignorant
What "citation" short bus?
If you mean the FBI and law enfiorcement going to court for the right to lie and misinform, I posted tghose cases, weeks ago.
Try to keep up..K short bus?


Again, because you didn't make it out of junior high, you seem to take everyone as literally as humanely possible. This "inversion" stuff sounds like it comes straight out of a nut hut.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Originally Posted By: spmob
If you believe that these Law Enforcement agencies DON'T use misinformation techniques then your pretty naive.


Nobody suggests that. Merely that it with the conjunction of indictment and court dockets is on average more reliable than a self-professed internet mobster that selectively ignores information when it doesn't suit him.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Where was that claim made? Then again, if you didn't pass out of junior high, you probably take everything as literally as possible.

Additionally, where is that citation that I asked for earlier? I would love to actually read this case that you believe justifies your wild ability to ignore information that doesn't support your case with a simple "SUPREME COURTZ SAID ITSSS"


"Nobody" is "Everybody" inverted short bus....like I said...You are amazingly ignorant
What "citation" short bus?
If you mean the FBI and law enfiorcement going to court for the right to lie and misinform, I posted tghose cases, weeks ago.
Try to keep up..K short bus?


Again, because you didn't make it out of junior high, you seem to take everyone as literally as humanely possible. This "inversion" stuff sounds like it comes straight out of a nut hut.


Does this mean he takes no one as literally as humanely possible? confused


La madre degli idioti e' sempre incinta.

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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: TheArm
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Where was that claim made? Then again, if you didn't pass out of junior high, you probably take everything as literally as possible.

Additionally, where is that citation that I asked for earlier? I would love to actually read this case that you believe justifies your wild ability to ignore information that doesn't support your case with a simple "SUPREME COURTZ SAID ITSSS"


"Nobody" is "Everybody" inverted short bus....like I said...You are amazingly ignorant
What "citation" short bus?
If you mean the FBI and law enfiorcement going to court for the right to lie and misinform, I posted tghose cases, weeks ago.
Try to keep up..K short bus?


Again, because you didn't make it out of junior high, you seem to take everyone as literally as humanely possible. This "inversion" stuff sounds like it comes straight out of a nut hut.


Does this mean he takes no one as literally as humanely possible? confused


Honey..please tell me you are educated enough to know what "Inverted" means ???
If you claim that "Nobody" agrees with person A, then you are claiming to speak for "Everybody", which as we have already established, is what is clicially called Delusional, and commonly called Batshit

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Originally Posted By: TheArm




Honey..please tell me you are educated enough to know what "Inverted" means ???


I figured it out after you posted that picture of yourself.

Oh, and if you ever need nothing, I'm totally here for you.


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Honey..please tell me you are educated enough to know what "Inverted" means ???


I figured it out after you posted that picture of yourself.

Oh, and if you ever need nothing, I'm totally here for you.


In don't not need nothing, and nobody else does either, everybody agrees with that, becuse nobody said so
Everyone agrees, becase two people think so
Nobody goes there, becuse it's too crowded, and everyone goes there becuse it's always dead and there is no waiting
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Sorry but people who talk in absolutes to bolster themselves and and try to create the illusion, or delusion that they represent anyone who matters, are especially intelectually annoying

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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: spmob
If you believe that these Law Enforcement agencies DON'T use misinformation techniques then your pretty naive.


Nobody suggests that. Merely that it with the conjunction of indictment and court dockets is on average more reliable than a self-professed internet mobster that selectively ignores information when it doesn't suit him.


This.


MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
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Originally Posted By: spmob
If you believe that these Law Enforcement agencies DON'T use misinformation techniques then your pretty naive.


Nobody suggests that. Merely that it with the conjunction of indictment and court dockets is on average more reliable than a self-professed internet mobster that selectively ignores information when it doesn't suit him.


This.


Why would I NOT ignore, or at least question, information which by the sourses own admission, may well be false?
Why is this so hard to understand.
I don't have an agenda, I know what I know which is not everything, far from it, my point is here, that to depend on a source whos own authors openly admit are laced with lies, borders on the retarded


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Arm, I'm trying as HUMANLY possible as I can to be patient with you but your constant flamings are becoming a problem. Either tone it down yourself or it will be done for you. No more warnings.


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Originally Posted By: SC
Arm, I'm trying as HUMANLY possible as I can to be patient with you but your constant flamings are becoming a problem. Either tone it down yourself or it will be done for you. No more warnings.


You're taling to Little Nickey right?
Since he was the one who hijacked the thread and turned it into a flame war?

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Arm, I'm trying as HUMANLY possible as I can to be patient with you but your constant flamings are becoming a problem. Either tone it down yourself or it will be done for you. No more warnings.


You're taling to Little Nickey right?
Since he was the one who hijacked the thread and turned it into a flame war?


No. I'm talking to you, Arm.
Just stop it.


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Arm, I'm trying as HUMANLY possible as I can to be patient with you but your constant flamings are becoming a problem. Either tone it down yourself or it will be done for you. No more warnings.


You're taling to Little Nickey right?
Since he was the one who hijacked the thread and turned it into a flame war?


No. I'm talking to you, Arm.
Just stop it.


Oh...LOL
Stop being better at flaming than the one who hijacked the thread started it?
Ok...will do
I forget how to put people on ignore...can you remind me how please?

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Arm is now a staple of this forum. Terminating His membership would be foolish

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Arm is now a staple of this forum. Terminating His membership would be foolish


I really hope your joking.


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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
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Thank You.
There are actually only like 5 guys (or "everyone" as some call it) who insist on making every post about ME, I never thought I would be that important.
I would think they would spend half the energy trying to debunk what I say, (since they are so sure I am wrong)Instead of "Nu uh your wrong" with absolutely no attempt to refute, followed by childish flaming and pretending I didn't prove my clams and statements.
In this thread I pointed out how and why the FBI and other agencies use misinformation, If I got something wrong or left something out, perhaps these folks would want to point that out.
I would think SC would agree with that

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Arm makes a point.

Authorities whenever indicting say "this person is the most important person...he is the boss..." in efforts to make person seem more scary/deadly and also cause getting a conviction will seem like a bigger deal (we got the boss not just a soldier!).

Re: FBI misinformation, how and why they use it [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #765650
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Arm is now a staple of this forum. Terminating His membership would be foolish


He plays by the rules or he's gone. Like anyone else.


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Re: FBI misinformation, how and why they use it [Re: TheArm] #765652
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He's get a week off to think about it.



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Re: FBI misinformation, how and why they use it [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #765674
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Arm is now a staple of this forum. Terminating His membership would be foolish, said no one ever


You forgot the rest of that sentence, so I fixed it for you.

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