That's what I'm talking about it. Crips is just the name of the umbrella with sub partnerships under it. Each of those crip sets have their own colors,Neighborhood Alliance wear baby blue, Gangster Alliance is black I think, Grape St obviously purple, Fudge Town is brown, etc. People looking outside in just see blue vs blue, it's deeper than that. The on & off skirmish is basically vendetta, if someone kill a relative of yours and you know who done it than avenge your slain relative. Other words this isn't over some bs colors. It's personal & business.
Also, there's about 95 crip sets in the city and compare that to 32 blood sets in the city. Your running into your next door partners before your rivals.

I know right fuck pcp.....just smoke some meth!

I know right fuck pcp.....just smoke some meth!

Del years ago it was the local 1%er biker clubs that were moving that pcp shit. They were wired shitless on meth and then at the same time they would be tripping on the Angel Dust....total fucking homicidal lunatics.

Good article Scorsese.

I remember when that bitch in Camden chopped her kids head off, then later when she realised what she did she killed herself. It was only a year or so ago. Just evil shit.

I really had no idea that garbage was still popular. I thought people finally wised up...but i guess not.

Just wondering BF,Scorcese,etc, do you think the Rampart officers, namely David Mack were involved in Biggies murder?

Yea I believe he was camarel. There was so much shady shit going on at that tine in the LAPD. Check out the biggie and Tapac documentary by Nick Broomfield. It was very good and they talk about David Mack and lots of others.

I wasn't sure how to copy the and post the link here if someone can help

Not for nothing, but i think your putting a bit too much stock in that theory.

BIGs mom had a lawsuit against the LAPD specifically cause of macks and everyone involved in that theory of the crime but then her lawyers dropped all those people from it because they didn't have much faith in that theory.

my bad camarel. Don't mean to come off like a know it all just that i read up a lot on this topic.

Its from greg kadings book murder rap (i know I'm bringing it up quite a lot and i sound like a fan boy).

He's goes into how they went through and broke down a lot of the theories and speculation about the crime and how they were able to disprove a lot of it through their investigation and narrow it in back to the crips and bloods.

Also look at the actual biggie hit and bring in the david mack theory and everything it alleges. Including the vehicle which in that theory is registered to mack, why would a experienced professional police officer use his own car in a hit.

Kading worked the drug investigation into keefes pcp ring in the hopes that he would fess to biggies murder which they were initially investigating instead of him and most of his family going to jail. He ended up admitting to the tupac slaying during meetings with kading and other detectives and was ready to wear a wire against zip martin who was the main conduit between him and puffy. The plan was to hopefully flip zip on puffy. Keefe said they had nothing to do with biggies murder and that they in fact were warning them the night of the shooting that there were many death row bloods in the venue.

What happened with all of this was that the lawsuit was the initial reason for the reopening of the investigation as soon as the task force had enough credible evidence that the crips killed tupac and that suge knight had ordered a bloods gang member to kill biggie, LAPD were in the clear, and no longer had to worry about the costly lawsuit hanging over them so they started to wind the investigation down by taking kading who was the lead off of it.

my bad camarel. Don't mean to come off like a know it all just that i read up a lot on this topic.

Its from greg kadings book murder rap (i know I'm bringing it up quite a lot and i sound like a fan boy).

He's goes into how they went through and broke down a lot of the theories and speculation about the crime and how they were able to disprove a lot of it through their investigation and narrow it in back to the crips and bloods.

Also look at the actual biggie hit and bring in the david mack theory and everything it alleges. Including the vehicle which in that theory is registered to mack, why would a experienced professional police officer use his own car in a hit.

Kading worked the drug investigation into keefes pcp ring in the hopes that he would fess to biggies murder which they were initially investigating instead of him and most of his family going to jail. He ended up admitting to the tupac slaying during meetings with kading and other detectives and was ready to wear a wire against zip martin who was the main conduit between him and puffy. The plan was to hopefully flip zip on puffy. Keefe said they had nothing to do with biggies murder and that they in fact were warning them the night of the shooting that there were many death row bloods in the venue.

What happened with all of this was that the lawsuit was the initial reason for the reopening of the investigation as soon as the task force had enough credible evidence that the crips killed tupac and that suge knight had ordered a bloods gang member to kill biggie, LAPD were in the clear, and no longer had to worry about the costly lawsuit hanging over them so they started to wind the investigation down by taking kading who was the lead off of it.

No problem Scorcese, i appreciate all of the info you've gave me. I'm aware your very knowledgable on all of this, and i'll buy that book now from your reccomendation. I have to ask though has there been any confirmation on Kadings claims that Keefe confessed? Like is there any official documentaion, or did any of the other detectives who were present during the confession come forward? Sorry if this is all basic information, but i'm relatively new to all of this.

Kadings released a few pages of reports but i can't give a definite answer, again since no one was prosecuted or convicted its just another theory although a very credible one at that.

He's actually got his own thread on the makaveli board where he answers questions and calls out russel poole and conspiracy theorists.
http://www.makaveli-board.net/showthread.php?30727-Greg-Kading-s-Murder-Rap-Thread

Also I've posted this before but its a good in depth inter view with greg kading and he basically lays out each case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM-MQTUzzuU

Yeah i agree with your points on Mack using his own car and all of the Amir Muhammed stuff from earlier. Can i ask if you still think Suge was involved but unrelated to the Rampart officers? Or if you have your own theory on what happened? Sorry for all the questions after you answer these i'll butt out of this thread because i've clearly turned it into my own unrelated topics, from the Biggie and Tupac murders and Rampart to Tookie to the founding of the crips . I have to say one more time thank you for taking the time to answer my questions on nearly 20 year old murders

Suge had off-duty officers working for him as security, to what degree he and his gang associates would trust them and allow them into the inner workings of death row is up for speculation. It should be noted though that many outside agencies were very weary of working with compton pd when it came to that investigation. In other words there were many officers who were compromised just for working security with death row.

Also i got no problem answering these questions. I don't mind where the discussion goes as long as it stays within the realm of the topic and doesn't go off into social issues or insults.

I see what you're saying regarding Compton PD, all of the focus has been on LAPD even though Compton has connections to both and Tupac was possibly murdered by members of the Compton Crips. Come to think of it, i see no reason regardless of how much bs people think came from him that Rafael Pérez would fail to mention or would've no knowledge of Macks connection to Biggies death. Is there no alternate theory that you've heard on Biggies murder, that makes more sense?

I have enjoyed discussing this with you. I assure you no insults or Race discussions will be brought up by me, if another member does then i'll leave this thread myself.

There was another rolling 60 crip that was affiliated with death row called "keita rock" who was later convicted of manslaughter in arizona. He was apparently a shot caller.
Ive also read he was part of a gang prevention programme based out of a clothing store called the playground that bill clinton came to visit but it got shut down.