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Angelo Ruggiero vs Anthony Casso #752594
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I know, there already are many "what if" threads, but still, here's a question:
do you think that, hadn't Ruggiero died of cancer, would have Casso got him for the attempt on his life or would Ruggiero tried again to kill him first? Or would they just have left it behind, what do you think? I am just interested because it seems strange to me that "Quack-quack" was the only one to have the balls to take out that psycho. Even Amuso just let him be, if I were him I wouldn't trust such a man to be my underboss.

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I don't know anything, but from the book I've read on Casso, and from what our learned colleagues on this board say of Casso, I'd have to say, that he would have had Ruggiero killed at some time or another. He didn't seem like a person that is a "live and let live" kind of guy, especially when a soldier from another family wanted an underboss killed....

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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
I know, there already are many "what if" threads, but still, here's a question:
do you think that, hadn't Ruggiero died of cancer, would have Casso got him for the attempt on his life or would Ruggiero tried again to kill him first? Or would they just have left it behind, what do you think? I am just interested because it seems strange to me that "Quack-quack" was the only one to have the balls to take out that psycho.


Casso was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.Thats some sort of schizophrenia,in which Casso had delusions (false beliefs)that a person or some individuals(for example members of his crime family)are plotting against him,plus he was a bloodthirsty person.A terrible mixture.

So i think that the "Or would they just have left it behind" option is out of the question.


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Re: Angelo Ruggiero vs Anthony Casso [Re: Dwalin2011] #752667
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As per the Carlo book, Casso tortured and extracted a confession from Jimmy Hydell, complete with all of the others involved. Casso left Hydell in his barely alive state and made him repeat the story to some top members of the Gambino family. Gotti refused to come, however, the confession was confirmed by the Gambinos.

With that in mind, Gotti and Ruggiero were very close and John wouldn't have whacked him, imo. And I believe that Gotti ordered Quack Quack to clip Casso- I don't really believe the bad drug deal story. The time frame can't be ignored as it was months after Casso arranged for Frank DeCicco to be bombed.

As far as Dwalin's question goes....Casso would have had Ruggiero whacked- because this is what he did with the others involved. Gotti would have gone insane, and this would have led to a mini war between the Lucchese/Genoveses vs Gambinos. I believe the Bonannos would have stayed out of this because they wanted to earn their seat back on the commission and going to war alongside the Gambinos would have killed their chances.


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But couldn't it have been that Ruggiero would have whacked Casso first? I don't think he would have just waited to die without doing anything.


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2) “Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We’re not giving you anything.”
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Originally Posted By: LittleMan
And I believe that Gotti ordered Quack Quack to clip Casso- I don't really believe the bad drug deal story. The time frame can't be ignored as it was months after Casso arranged for Frank DeCicco to be bombed.

But why then did he hit Casso and not Gigante who was more important?


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2) “Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We’re not giving you anything.”
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wasn't it over a herion deal. like gravano said angelo was a sneak he drummed up the idea to kill d.b. cause he owed him like 200k. but wats up with the Sammy the bullcoming to the famma guys rescue saying that guy on mob wives dad wasn't killed cause he was a rat then wat was the real reason. the feds are gonna have to drop the case now cause they made it sound like they were killing a gov witness or someshit. they let him out on bail. the guys kids wife is on that show shes hot for a 40 yr old with kids.

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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
But couldn't it have been that Ruggiero would have whacked Casso first? I don't think he would have just waited to die without doing anything.


Of course. That's what makes the possibilities interesting.

Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011

But why then did he hit Casso and not Gigante who was more important?


The Gambinos and Genoveses were similar in size and strength, and Chin was arguably the strongest don. The Luccheses were much smaller, and Casso was a consigliere- I don't believe he was the acting street boss until '93, when Amuso was convicted and given a life sentence. In essence, Casso was probably targeted because he was the weaker of the two and more involved with that particular plot.

While Chin tried to have Gotti whacked, he couldn't get the job done. He passed the job to the Luccheses, who were in charge of the car bombing. Casso, Vic Amuso, Bobby Amuso, and Herbie Pate (bomb expert) were at the scene when the bomb went off.


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Did any of you guys see the show where Al D'Arco was saying Gravano was hiding from them cause he knew they were out to hit him? I don't believe it myself. Sure Gravano is a rat but i don't believe he was ducking D'Arco or any of those guys. He said something like Sammy was scared to death of them. I just don't believe it.

I think it was on that NatGeo Manhattan Mob Rampage show on the Lucchese's.

Any thoughts here on that?

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Gravano was probably scared of casso because who wouldn't be? Scared is a verb used to describe weakness, and I am not saying sammy was weak to be scared of casso, moreso that he had respect for how freaking insane gas was

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Did any of you guys see the show where Al D'Arco was saying Gravano was hiding from them cause he knew they were out to hit him? I don't believe it myself. Sure Gravano is a rat but i don't believe he was ducking D'Arco or any of those guys. He said something like Sammy was scared to death of them. I just don't believe it.

I think it was on that NatGeo Manhattan Mob Rampage show on the Lucchese's.

Any thoughts here on that?


Casso said the same thing, as per Philip Carlo. Casso was actively trying to whack both Gotti and Sammy. While Gotti was always being followed by the media, tailed by the FBI, or surrounded by his men.....Sammy hid from Casso's hit team because he knew he was a marked man.


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Sammy had balls but he was no idiot. Casso was a maniac.


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Good points....No doubt Casso was a homicidal maniac.

I just thought D'Arco was making it sound like Sammy was a total pussy and i really don't think he was. IMO the Gambino's would of crushed the Lucchese's in a war as long as the Genovese didn't jump in.

But maybe D'Arco was telling the truth. Thanks guys.

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So who had Bobby Borriello and Eddy Lino wacked?

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Yes ...i know Gas ordered the hits but the Gambino's had some hitters too. I think they would of rolled over the Luccheses if it ever came to that point. As long as it remained 1 on 1.

Just my opinion though.

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Good points....No doubt Casso was a homicidal maniac.

I just thought D'Arco was making it sound like Sammy was a total pussy and i really don't think he was. IMO the Gambino's would of crushed the Lucchese's in a war as long as the Genovese didn't jump in.

But maybe D'Arco was telling the truth. Thanks guys.


I agree with you. I think Casso and D'Arco were beating their chests and acting like tough guys, after the fact.

I don't believe Sammy was a pussy, at all. How can you blame a guy for avoiding people and situations where he could have been whacked? Gravano had good reason to be paranoid, especially after Eddie Lino was clipped. Sammy probably quickly found out that Gotti had nothing to do with it. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if he was warned by the FBI.


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Lino was killed on the orders of casso by the mafia cops for being a shooter in the castellano murder

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Bobby borriello was also murdered on the orders of casso for nothing more that's being really close to gotti , frank lastorino gunned boriello down

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Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Bobby borriello was also murdered on the orders of casso for nothing more that's being really close to gotti , frank lastorino gunned boriello down


Wasn't Bobiello on the Castellano murder too?

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Yes but even though casso was consig hhe was by far the most powerful guy in the lucheses.Even darco admits that casso was really running the family.

I think gotti could of justified whacking casso to the commission BUT if he whacked the chin it would of started a shitstorm that would of takin 10 years to stop.

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I m pretty sure Casso would not forgive and forget. As was mentioned above, James Hydell learned how Casso would get even.
I think he would have been successful too because Ruggiero wasn't very sharp and he was careless. Look how he had his daughters phone bugged by the FBI and how he shot off his mouth all the time. And Casso didn't engineer the death of Frank DeCecco. They were after Gotti. Lastly, I don't think Gravano was scared of Casso. He was pretty sharp and was cautious of assassins.

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On one of the shows they said it was actually Tony Ducks who ordered Gas and Vic to hit Gotti. And even when they killed DiCicco by accident Ducks was still happy with the results.

I don't know if thats true or not but that was what someone said on one of the shows i watched.

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
On one of the shows they said it was actually Tony Ducks who ordered Gas and Vic to hit Gotti. And even when they killed DiCicco by accident Ducks was still happy with the results.

I don't know if thats true or not but that was what someone said on one of the shows i watched.

pretty sure that was in manhattan mob rampage. that show cracked me up, they had that one guy who looked like al pacinos inbred cousin who would stutter about amuso, i think his name was Clemente. they called him a soldier/made guy and he was never made, they also called tommy riccardi a captain of the jersey crew, and i never heard that before, maybe he was acting at some point after acceturo flipped,idk. How they could talk about the jersey crew that much and not mention acceturo or the tacceta brothers once is beyond me. I guess my point is that one particular program wasnt always 100% accurate, although im not sure whether that one part about ducks ordering the hit is true or not. i was always under the impression that the order to hit gotti came from Gigante.


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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
pretty sure that was in manhattan mob rampage. that show cracked me up, they had that one guy who looked like al pacinos inbred cousin who would stutter about amuso, i think his name was Clemente. they called him a soldier/made guy and he was never made,

I remember him...the guy with the speech impediment. He had a tough time getting some of those words out of his mouth.

Same guy said something snapped in Casso's head after he was shot.....said he was never the same guy again, or something like that.

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I don't think for a minute that Gravano was afraid of the Lucchese.Maybe he was cautious or hesitant but I'll never believe afraid.These guys killed Castellano knowing and accepting that it could very well mean war with The Chin.That is brass balls.No chicken shit there

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The guys name was Sal Clemente. He suffered a stroke that is why he looks strange when he speaks.

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The guys name was Sal Clemente. He suffered a stroke that is why he looks strange when he speaks.

Yup..thats the guy. I just thought he had a speech impediment.

Strokes are no joke...thanks Scalish.

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No problem my friend.

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Originally Posted By: Scalish
The guys name was Sal Clemente. He suffered a stroke that is why he looks strange when he speaks.

Yup..thats the guy. I just thought he had a speech impediment.

Strokes are no joke...thanks Scalish.

yeah thanks for making me look like a dick scalish grin


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