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Most unnecessary whacking? #731818
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What was the most unnecessary whacking the soprano family or the lupertazzi family orchestrated? I would have to go with Ralph ciffareto, Sure he was an asshole and probably killed the horse but he was still a great money maker

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Phil Parisi. Didn't really do anything wrong and Patsy could've flipped or killed Tony because of it.

Re: Most unnecessary whacking? [Re: Hisenberg] #731884
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Well philly was going around bad mouthing tony while tony was trying to cement his position as boss, so i can understand that one. I agree with hisenberg that the dumbest one was ralphie, taking out your top earning capo over horse was ridiculous.


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Wasn't there a guy who sold drugs to a friend or relative of Uncle Junior's tailor,and after the kid overdosed,Junior had Mikey Palmice kill the dealer on a bridge.Junior took a big risk for no good reason. It's not as if the guy did anything to the Soprano Family or Junior personally. Potentially,if Junior was linked to the hit,he would have gone away forever.

It kind of reminds me of the totally ridiculous hit on Arnold Shuster that cost Albert Anastasia his Boss spot,and ultimately his life.

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Ya your talking rusty irish when micheal palmice threw him off a bridge.
Mikey tells him before does "im gonna do ya favor, when i throw you over if you can fly i wont shoot you down." lol


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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Ya your talking rusty irish when micheal palmice threw him off a bridge.
Mikey tells him before does "im gonna do ya favor, when i throw you over if you can fly i wont shoot you down." lol
Yup,that's the one. Great sense of humor Mikey had.

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Another uncessary killing by palmice and junior was donnie, the guy that was setting up the hit on tony, all the guy says is(about tony)"even the guys own mother wants him whacked." Then junior says to mikey,"i dont like it, next thing you know he'll be making jokes about me." Then miley shoots him in the head. Sounds like junior was just being insecure, very unnessary.


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Dominic "Fat Dom" Gamiello, stabbed by Carlo Gervasi while Silvio held him down in retaliation for Vito Spatafore's murder.


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

Re: Most unnecessary whacking? [Re: Hisenberg] #734087
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How about Jimmy Altieri? He was killed because they thought he had flipped. Later they find out they confused him with Big Pussy, who was flipped at same time.

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Originally Posted By: jace
How about Jimmy Altieri? He was killed because they thought he had flipped. Later they find out they confused him with Big Pussy, who was flipped at same time.
Jimmy did flip. True,they did confuse him with Pussy,but he was also a rat in his own right. Remember the conversation in Tony's basement where he was trying to get Tony to talk about some illegal activity?. It was obvious that he had flipped and was wearing a wire,so he would have been hit at some point anyway.

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Adriana. Killing a woman was disgusting especially since she wanst involved in thier crimes

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Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Adriana. Killing a woman was disgusting especially since she wanst involved in thier crimes
Disgusting yes,but necessary. Adriana was a rat and Tony had no way of assessing the damage she had already inflicted. Once Christopher told Tony she flipped, Tony knew that she could have really hurt the Family as a government witness.She had to go.

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he was annoying so i can see why any number of mobsters, civilians, cats, dogs, taxi drivers, police, aliens or anybody else would want to kill him, but as far as a mob hit goes it seemed pointless for chris to just turn up at his place drunk and kill him as soon as he unleashed the word "mafia" as if that automatically makes him a potential rat or something.



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Ralphie CiFaretto's hit was by far the most unnecessary and moronic in the show. While Ralphie did appear to be guilty of killing Pie-O-My, he did deny it and Tony instead took upon himself to discredit him even though Ralphie was his best earner and was beginning to get his act together. I think that's why Tony had the dream about Ralphie having the caterpillar turning to a butterfly on Ralphie's head, because subconsciously he knew Ralphie was changing and he denied Ralphie that opportunity.


Here's some standard operating procedure. Stay the fuck away from Tony Soprano, shut the fuck up and listen. It's over. Capisce? Over and done. You call, or go anywhere near him or his family and they'll be scraping your nipples off these fine leather seats. And here's the point to remember: my face is the last one you'll see, not Tony's, we understand each other? It won't be cinematic.
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Jimmy Bones, the Elvis impersonator who Pussy bumps into in the party store.


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Wasn't he an associate or an old friend of pussy's and he saw Pussy and the cop talking together in the store. Pussy was worried about getting caught so did what he had to do..


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It was just a matter of who was going to whack Ralph, he was living on borrowed time. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

Gigi probably would have plotted his demise if he didn't die.
Paulie would have eventually obtained proof that Ralphie pranked his mother.
Johnny Sack might have taken matters in his own hands after Carmine Sr passed away.
He might have been a closet bi-sexual based on his sexual tendencies.
He was disrespectful to Tony. I believe the horse was the straw that broke the camel's back, after all of the problems that he caused.

Vito took over the construction site and became the top earner. So, it wasn't as if Ralphie couldn't have been replaced.


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Jackie jr getting whacked was obvioulsy gonna happen because of the robbery at shootout but couldnt Tony have shipped him out of town for good before having him popped in a housing project or was it over the top what jackie did. Ralph had the final say on jackies killing correct, didnt tony put it in ralph's hands?

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jackie jr robbed a card game ran by a made guy (pontecorvo), he and his buddies shot a made guy (furio) and shot at a third made guy(chris). he had to go. tony didn't really give the final say to ralphie, he was just screwing with him. tony knew jackie had to go, ralph knew jackie had to go, so tony as way to put the screws to ralph and make him feel guilty leading jackie down that path and not schooling him enough gave some nonsense about ralph makes the choice even though they both know there is only one choice to make.

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Re: Most unnecessary whacking? [Re: DE NIRO] #741823
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Wasn't he an associate or an old friend of pussy's and he saw Pussy and the cop talking together in the store. Pussy was worried about getting caught so did what he had to do..
Yeah but he's clearly a thicko who couldn't put two and two together if he was given a calculator.


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Re: Most unnecessary whacking? [Re: Hisenberg] #741898
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Regarding Jackie, Jr....this was when it must suck to be in the mob.

Tony has to order the hit of a very close friend's son- Jackie Sr probably asked Tony to keep an eye on his son and watch over him. Or...Ralph has to order the hit of his girlfriend's son. Rosie was barely over grieving for her late husband.

What made it less gut wrenching for the viewers is that Jackie Jr was such a jerk in the show.


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Plus he was cheating on Meadow so deserved to die just for this.. wink


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Re: Most unnecessary whacking? [Re: LittleMan] #742011
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Originally Posted By: LittleMan
Regarding Jackie, Jr....this was when it must suck to be in the mob.

Tony has to order the hit of a very close friend's son- Jackie Sr probably asked Tony to keep an eye on his son and watch over him. Or...Ralph has to order the hit of his girlfriend's son. Rosie was barely over grieving for her late husband.

What made it less gut wrenching for the viewers is that Jackie Jr was such a jerk in the show.


I think this is a good point. For us the viewers, Jackie Jr. was a douchebag so he got what was coming, but from a person's standpoint it must have been a super hard decision, although certainly warranted with everything he did. I think if he had JUST robbed the card game and not killed Sunshine, shot at Chris, shot Furio etc. he might have gotten a pass (and probably the shit kicked out of him by Tony) but really that guy would have caused issues sooner or later. If he wasn't whacked then, I could see him ending up like Sean and Matt and trying to curry favor with somebody else or even turn informant out of petty revenge.

Hell could you have imagined Jackie Jr. as a made guy? He probably would have flipped the second he was alone with the police.


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that stripper that ralphie beat to death in the back parking lot of the bada bing.


completely unnecessary and caused a lot of headaches.


as for ralph, he had to go sooner or later. as a boss, so what if he is a top earner. how long do you let him sit there and basically do what he wants, screw everybody else over, and just be plain disrespectful and piss off nearly everybody he comes across.

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Originally Posted By: xs0u1x
that stripper that ralphie beat to death in the back parking lot of the bada bing.


ah, yes! i hadn't thought of that one. imo that was indeed the most unnecessary killing on the show



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I believe Tracee's murder was important to the development of other characters in the series. I know the events below are not news to anyone, I'm just making a summary to show how Tracee's murder escalated into multiple storylines....and eventually Ralph's own murder.

Tracee was pregnant with Ralph's kid, and he wasn't going to marry her, imo. Was he going to pay child support to an unfit mother for 18 years- I doubt it. Plus, she had her child taken away from her due to burning him with cigarettes- so she also had a mean streak. As a viewer, I was anticipating something bad to happen to Tracee- which finally did. Sure, it was sad watching a young, pregnant mother get beat to death, but that was how Chase let us know the extent of Ralph being a sick, violent sociopath.

Her murder caused Tony to put his hands on Ralph in front of others, for disrespecting the Bing. This led to Ralph turning down a drink with Tony in front of everyone. At this point, Tony considers whacking Ralph, but his earning capability is a deterrent.

The Tracee murder carries over to Thanksgiving. Tony comes up with a fake alibi so he can disinvite Rosalie and Ralph. Ralph meets with Johnny Sack and stupidly says that Tony is "not leaving him with many options". So, now Tracee's murder has escalated to Ralphie kicking around the idea of whacking Tony, and vice versa. Ralph said "first of all, she was a whore", implying that a stripper's life wasn't worth much- showing us how demented Ralph was in the head.

Meanwhile, there is a cold war going on between Tony and Meadow, stemming from dad's racist view towards Noah. After realizing the similarity in age between Meadow and Tracee, Tony realizes how fragile life is and apologizes and makes up with Meadow.

Before Ralph died, the karma gods seemingly responded to Tracee's murder when his son was shot by an arrow. And Tony didn't simply kill Ralph over a horse. He killed Ralph over the events leading up to it. Ralph's whacking led to the anger of some captains towards Tony for clipping a capo, or towards the Lupertazzi's if one believed Tony's alibi.


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was the kid even ralph's? Remember janice (and later melfi) tell tony that ralph can't have normal sex, he has to do that wierd shit and never technically has sex.

I always figured this meant that the kid wasn't ralph's and he was pissed that she was sleeping with someone else and trying to pawn the guy's kid off on him.

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Originally Posted By: littlemango
was the kid even ralph's? Remember janice (and later melfi) tell tony that ralph can't have normal sex, he has to do that wierd shit and never technically has sex.

I always figured this meant that the kid wasn't ralph's and he was pissed that she was sleeping with someone else and trying to pawn the guy's kid off on him.


i think it could have gone either way because on one hand what you said above is true and he also says at one point that it wasn't his kid. but on the other hand there's that scene where him and a cop are spit roasting tracey therefore proving that he is somewhat capable of getting a boner and bangin away



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Originally Posted By: xs0u1x
that stripper that ralphie beat to death in the back parking lot of the bada bing.


completely unnecessary and caused a lot of headaches.


as for ralph, he had to go sooner or later. as a boss, so what if he is a top earner. how long do you let him sit there and basically do what he wants, screw everybody else over, and just be plain disrespectful and piss off nearly everybody he comes across.



I always hated Ralph. Was that a wig he wore on the show? I bet the producers were going to use him as the fag but vito begged for the part because he's one in real life. Janice is disgusting imagine her naked, what a fat pig,

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Originally Posted By: littlemango
was the kid even ralph's? Remember janice (and later melfi) tell tony that ralph can't have normal sex, he has to do that wierd shit and never technically has sex.

I always figured this meant that the kid wasn't ralph's and he was pissed that she was sleeping with someone else and trying to pawn the guy's kid off on him.



yeah I think what..janice was banging him in the ass with a dildo or something? that does make sense now that you mention it.

I mean its not like he was going to support it anyways. in the pre-cursor convo to the beating he was telling her about getting a house together and supporting the kid and getting her hopes up then he comes back with "what are you fuckin stupid?"


Really, if it wasn't tracee it eventually would have been something else. I had the impression from the start that tony just straight up didn't like ralphie to begin with. he could have just been looking for an excuse.

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