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Re: Most Powerful CO in the world [Re: Hollander] #910591
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at least $43 million cash was recovered in a raid by the EFCC in Ikoyi section of Lagos,Nigeria




https://www.channelstv.com/2017/04/12/efcc-discovers-huge-sums-of-money-in-ikoyi-apartment/


EFCC Uncovers $43.4m, N23.2m, £27,800 In Ikoyi Apartment

The operation followed a whistle blower's confidential alert received by the Commission's Lagos office this morning regarding some noticed suspicious movement of bags in and out of a particular apartment in the building.
by Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) Apr 12, 2017

The whistleblowing policy of the Federal Government is paying off positively, as the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) today stormed a residential building on the 7th floor of a four-bedroom apartment at Osborne Towers located at 16 Osborne Road, Ikoyi, Lagos, where a humongous find of foreign currencies and naira notes to the tune of $43.4m, £27,800 and N23.2m was uncovered.

The operation followed a whistle blower's confidential alert received by the Commission's Lagos office this morning regarding some noticed suspicious movement of bags in and out of a particular apartment in the building. According to the source, the movers of the bags made believe that they were bringing in bags of clothes.

The EFCC recovered $43.4m USD from the apartment EFCC Another source who is conversant with the apartment of interest indicated that a woman usually appeared on a different occasion with Ghana Must Go bags.

"She comes looking haggard, with dirty clothes but her skin didn't quite match her outward appearance, perhaps a disguise," the source said.

On getting to the building, operatives met the entrance door locked. Inquiries from the guards at the gate explained that nobody resides in the apartment, but some persons come in and out once in a while. In compliance with the magisterial order contained in the warrant, the EFCC used minimum force to gain entrance into the apartment.

Monies were found in two of the four bedroom apartment. A further probe of the wardrobe by operatives in one of the rooms was found to be warehousing three fireproof cabinets disguisedly hidden behind wooden panels of the wardrobe. Upon assessing the content of the cabinets, neatly arranged were US dollars, British pound sterlings, and some naira notes in sealed wrappers.

Preliminary findings indicate that the funds are suspected to be proceeds of unlawful activity. Investigations are ongoing.

The facility is said to be owned by Osborne Towers Resident Association.

Re: Most Powerful CO in the world [Re: getthesenets] #910607
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cool

* Still sipping the tea with a Nigerian-Cameroonian smile*


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Re: Most Powerful CO in the world [Re: BlackFamily] #910673
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BF,

I read the story about the money and expected to read follow up stories later about the violence over the missing money.

Media tried to link, what else?...an oil executive to the money.
Esther Nnamdi-Ogbue
She denied it, but today was fired over a missing 130 liters(over 800,000 barrels) oil valued at about 56 Million.Two other execs were fired.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201704120071.html

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Four top officials of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, NNPC, on Tuesday received their letters directing them to proceed on compulsory retirement over the missing petrol scandal, multiple sources told PREMIUM TIMES.

On Monday, PREMIUM TIMES published an exclusive report that the Managing Director of the NNPC Retail, Esther Nnamdi-Ogbue, and three other top officials were asked to resign their appointment.

The officials, including the General Manager (Operations) of NNPC Retail, Mamza Gwadabe, and Ibrahim Bello, who was said to be responsible for monitoring the truck out of NNPC products at depots in Lagos, got their retirement letters. A fourth official whose identity of could not be ascertained last night also got his,

The four were found culpable in the 100 million litres 'missing' petrol scandal involving Capital Oil & Gas Nigeria Limited owned by controversial businessman, Ifeanyi Ubah.

A committee constituted by the NNPC management to investigate the scandal, which also involved MRS Petroleum, had initially recommended the outright dismissal from service of the four officials for their respective roles.

But, following the intervention of the Minister of State for Petroleum Resources, Ibe Kachikwu, the dismissal was converted to compulsory retirement with full benefits, our sources said.

Although Mrs. Nnamdi-Ogbue had earlier said she was not aware of the recommendation for her to retire, authoritative sources close to the NNPC confirmed to this newspaper last night that she and other affected officials were served their retirement letters on Tuesday.

Despite collecting her retirement letter, the former NNPC Retail boss was said to have insisted on her innocence at a meeting with staff of the agency on Tuesday, where she announced her exit.

When contacted, Ndu Ughamadu, the NNPC spokesperson said he was not aware of the retirement letter.

"The only thing I am aware of is that the probe panel had submitted its report. But, I am not aware what their recommendations were," Mr. Ughamadu said.

The missing petrol worth over N14 billion was stored at the private depots under a throughput arrangement as part of NNPC's effort to maintain a strategic national fuel reserve.

Last January, when the Nigerian Products Marketing Company, NPMC, the NNPC subsidiary in charge of petroleum products marketing and distribution, needed some volume of petrol to bridge the supply gap, Mrs. Nnamdi-Ogbue had offered NNPC Retail's stock of the commodity at Capital Oil.

But, NNPC Chief Operating Officer, Downstream, Henry Ikem-Obi, said when trucks were sent to load the petrol at Capital Oil, it was discovered that the entire stock were sold off without the knowledge of NNPC Retail and the parent company.

Following the shocking discovery, Mrs. Nnamdi-Ogbue reported the matter to the NNPC management and anti-graft agencies, asking them to intervene and help recover the missing petrol or the funds from Capital Oil.

Re: Most Powerful CO in the world [Re: getthesenets] #910677
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Beats me. So much corruption throughout the country's government that it hard to tell without indepth information. Hardly anyone focus on that country's underworld.

Unless it's Italians involved rolleyes


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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
Gets,
Beats me. So much corruption throughout the country's government that it hard to tell without indepth information. Hardly anyone focus on that country's underworld.

Unless it's Italians involved rolleyes


it is not true, nigerians oc are well known worldwide and police of different countries focus on them enough, being importers of heavy drugs

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fraud equivalent to $12.8 Million

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4641844/Nigerian-fraudsters-face-jail-10million-scam.html


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A gang of Nigerian fraudsters are facing jail for for using the identities of MPs, judges and police officers during a £10million scam. uhwhat


The crew stole personal details from the Civil Service Sports Council (CSSC), to make fraudulent claims over a four-year period.

Member lists were ‘stolen to order’ from CSSC and used to place orders for tax credit starter packs used in fraudulent claims over a four year period.

The gang managed to get away with nearly £2,500,000 before staff at Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs spotted the ‘extraordinarily high rate’ of claims being made by civil servants.

If the scam had not been stopped it could have reaped more than £10,260,525.

CSSC events manager Adedamola Oyebode, 30, stole membership lists and passed them on to her brothers-in-law Oluwatobe Emmanuel Odeyemi, 34, and Oluwagbenga Stephen Odeyemi, 39, who ran the fraud with Kayode Sanni, 38.

Sanni, an illegal immigrant, denied being involved in the fraud and told Old Bailey jurors ‘my conscience is clear’ as he stood trial alone.

But he was convicted of one count of conspiracy to become knowingly concerned in a fraudulent act between 10 March 2009 and 11 June 2013.


Judge Michael Topolski QC remanded him in custody and said: ‘I’m quite satisfied at this stage that there is a significant risk that if he were released on bail he would fail to attend.

‘In my judgement the situation has changed drastically.

‘He chose to contest this matter against what I considered to be overwhelming evidence.

‘His incentive to stay in this country has now diminished.’

Emmanuel Odeyemi, Gumbs and Adedamole Oyebode have already pleaded guilty and will be sentenced with Sanni at the Old Bailey on 6 July.

Prosecutors have dropped charges against Emmanuel’s wife Oluwatosin Oyebode.

Prosecutor Allison Hunter QC said: ‘These defendants went to exceptionally complex and sophisticated lengths in their orchestration of this fraud.

‘They themselves operate under a number of fluid pseudonyms and false identities, operate a multiplicity of email address, have access to a number of mobile phone numbers and have spread the conduct of this fraud over computers and electronic storage devices sufficient to stock a small warehouse.’

Ms Hunter said the investigators began by identifying one of the multiple false tax credit claimants as Chantelle Gumbs, who has admitted her part in the scam.

The source of the stolen identity was traced to the CSSC in Chadwick Street, Westminster, where six staff had password protected access to members’ details.
The gang managed to get away with nearly £2,500,000 before staff at HMRC spotted the ‘extraordinarily high rate’ of claims being made, the Old Bailey heard
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The gang managed to get away with nearly £2,500,000 before staff at HMRC spotted the ‘extraordinarily high rate’ of claims being made, the Old Bailey heard

Adedamole Oyebode, who worked for the CSSC between August 2008 and August 2010, has since admitted supplying lists of members and their details in return for payment.

She also made calls to the tax credit helpline to obtain application packs.

Further investigation revealed the fraudsters had used the details to create false identities, buy online insurance and open false bank accounts to receive the cash.

The profits of the scam were then transferred out into either their own accounts or through Western Union facilities set up by Sanni and Emmanuel Odeyemi.

Jurors were told that two of the gang, Stephen Odeyemi and his wife Oluwatumininu Banjo, 40, have fled to Nigeria and are wanted abroad.

Ms Hunter said: ‘These individuals conspired together to obtain in excess of £10,260,525.33 in fraudulent tax credits using the identities of 10,300 police officers, MPs, members of the judiciary, and civil servants for example, whose personal data and information was stolen from the Civil Service Sports Council.

‘The CSSC provides leisure events and activities together with sporting and fitness facilities to approximately 120,000 Public Sector employees or pensioners, including civil servants, local government employees, the NHS, teachers, police officers, fire fighters and HM Armed Forces personnel.’

Sanni, from Leeds, denied but conspiracy to become knowingly concerned in a fraudulent act - but was convicted of the crime.

Adedamola Oyebode, from Bellingham, southeast London, Stephen Odeyimi from Dagenham, Essex and Chantelle Gumbs, will be sentenced alongside him for fraud charges on 6 July at the Old Bailey.

Oluwatumininu Banjo, also from Dagenham, and Emmanuel Odeyemi, from Gravesend, Kent, are believed to be on the run in Nigeria.

Simon York, Director of Fraud Investigation Service at HMRC, said: 'We have dismantled an organised criminal attack on the tax credits system. HMRC officers and our counter-fraud checks identified the attack, and our investigators uncovered those behind the fraud, preventing £8 million of false claims being paid to the criminals. A further £2.4 million in tax credits claimed by the fraudsters was paid before we could stop the crime group and prevent further fraud.

'Tax Credits are paid to some of the most vulnerable people in our society. We have to strike a balance between making it easy for people to receive what is due, and having procedures in place to identify and stop fraudulent claims. Our investigation was made more difficult as the criminals had hijacked real identity details to make the fraudulent claims.

Re: Most Powerful CO in the world [Re: FireHawk] #922758
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Id say Ndrangheta.. Based on what we read the Ndrangheta makes far more money than Sinaloa cartel but i guess we never know for sure. IF its true id say Ndrangheta. Yes Yakuza makes as much money as the ndrangheta or maybe even more but its not the same worldwide. They are only powerful in Japan, plus much of their income comes from legal activities from actually legal guys/noncriminals. Russians would be nr1 but if your gonna say Russian mafia then you would have to compare them to all the 4 Italian mafias or like all the mexican cartels, not just one organization.

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The Yakuza was in the 70s/80s at their peak. They are still wealthy and influential but they don't rule Japan like they did before.


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Yes even they are not at the top anymore.. I dont know ,the only ones who can compare to Ndrangheta i think is the Russians because of their state. They have their state behind them and its a pretty powerful one.

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https://books.google.se/books?id=FgM17NM...usa&f=false



According to this book the Yakuza had debts to the Japanese bank from 600 billion dollars to almost 1 trillion that the banks couldnt collect from them, and they made in 1999 about 190 billion dollars from all illegal activities.. The Chinese Triads made annualy 200 billion dollars it says in this book..


What do you guys think about these numbers? Me personally think thats a lot of bullshit.

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Originally Posted By: doggystyle
https://books.google.se/books?id=FgM17NM...usa&f=false



According to this book the Yakuza had debts to the Japanese bank from 600 billion dollars to almost 1 trillion that the banks couldnt collect from them, and they made in 1999 about 190 billion dollars from all illegal activities.. The Chinese Triads made annualy 200 billion dollars it says in this book..


What do you guys think about these numbers? Me personally think thats a lot of bullshit.


U have million sources everyone claiming other things,the fact is u can't know and its bullshit,not like those guys keep bank accounts and pay taxes so you can track their income.


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Yes i agree with you. I guess the closest real-info you can come to is what the FBI , DEA and their counterparts worldwide tells us. Not some magazines and books.

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Originally Posted By: doggystyle
According to this book the Yakuza had debts to the Japanese bank from 600 billion dollars to almost 1 trillion that the banks couldnt collect from them, and they made in 1999 about 190 billion dollars from all illegal activities.. The Chinese Triads made annualy 200 billion dollars it says in this book..


What do you guys think about these numbers? Me personally think thats a lot of bullshit.


it's just bullshit, these numbers are insane, like the sources about 100 billions made by italian mafia annually
all the richest organized crime groups worldwide (italian mafia, russian oc, yakuza, triads, mexican cartels) earn much less than some source claims, probably not more than 20 billions annually

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as of 2018, has there been any changes?

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-29/the-vory-russias-super-mafia-world-cup/9899542


According to this expert he says the Italians are still the most powerful and richest in the world but the Russians are the most international.

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The 11 richest countries with the biggest organised crime problems
Read more at https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...anised-crime-2015-10#BUwt9ZsmASLClVbF.99


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I would like organizations that have become part of their governments would be the richest in terms of influence, resources and freedom from prosecution. Knowing your not going to die in the can and that your organization is going to continue when you are gone(outside of a coup) would be what constitutes the most powerful. Venezuela and other South American countries as well as African warlord type organizations would be my guess. If you are going to judge simply in terms of money then no one will ever know, especially when you use a blanket term like Italian mobs or Mexican cartels. These organizations are competing with themselves and with each other. So to say one is worth $50 billion a year, $100 billion a year etc is just fantasy in my mind. Just stuff that is made up to sell newspapers and books to gullible people such as us.

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almost impossible to know how much money a crime organization earns every year
we can only compare by the manpower they have and the connections with politicians and more important people

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what would you guys say the answer to this now in 2019, any changes?

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Originally Posted by FireHawk
what would you guys say the answer to this now in 2019, any changes?


In general my top three would be:

1) Italian criminal networks
2) Chinese criminal networks
3) Russian criminal networks


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Originally Posted by FireHawk
what would you guys say the answer to this now in 2019, any changes?


In general my top three would be:

1) Italian criminal networks
2) Chinese criminal networks
3) Russian criminal networks


Exactly, couldn't agree more. Would maybe add Mexican cartels on 4th spot.

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1. Italian Organized Crime
2. Mexican DTO’s
3. Russian/Eastern european groups
4. Chinese groups

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2020

what are the rankings now?

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one of the best methodology to measure and compare the most powerful criminal groups uses the following indicators

1 structure

despite having been almost wiped out several times have always bounced back, rebuilding and further compartmentalizing their structure and increasing its resilience to all forms of attack

2 core leadership

some of the core leadership have been with the group since its foundation, or joined soon after, meaning that the group has senior leadership with decades of experience

3 identity

criminal structures all seek some identity, code or ideology to facilitate recruitment, geographic component, build reputation and brand, as well as ensuring loyalty; the most successful criminal structures in history have managed to create a mythology that has translated into a strict code of conduct with initiation rites

4 economic strength

this corresponds not only to the earning power of a criminal structure but the diversity of its criminal portfolio and ability to absorb losses such as drug seizures; money laundering capacity and penetration of the legal economy are also measured under this category

5 state penetration

organized crime has two main tools: violence and corruption, the ideal condition for a criminal group is to have the state not just leave operations unmolested, but actually protect them

6 threat or use of violence

violence and organized crimeare indivisible, in a market where there is no legal recourse to the breaking of agreements, the reputation for violence is a key element to doing business but a reputation for indiscriminate and terrorizing levels of violence while brings them immense credibility on the criminal stage, it also ensures they are priority targets for security forces

7 military capacity and numbers

as part of this measurement is not only the operational capacity of the criminal groups, but their armament, military training and the strategic application of violence

8 criminal alliances

In an increasingly fragmented criminal world that extends its global reach on a daily basis, the importance of alliances cannot be understated, now most criminal structures are networks, relying on multiple nodes to complete complex supply chains across the world and handle the millions of dollars that move in the opposite direction and the only way to prosper is to work with other criminal organizations and corrupt state officials.

9 territorial reach and criminal governance

most criminal economies require the control of territory, whichever criminal actors can control these areas are guaranteed control of the illegal rents they contain and equally relevant under this heading is how the criminal groups maintain control of these territories; the most sophisticated groups have produced parallel states, or criminal enclaves, where they exercise functions normally reserved for governments, like raising taxes or dispensing justice, control of such areas not only provide criminal rents, but a steady flow of recruits

10 longevity

the acid test for a criminal group is its longevity, If a powerful criminal syndicate is able to survive for years, or decades, this is a testament to its resilience, earning power and operational capacity

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You also have to look at the states and how they try to control or fight organized crime, in Russia and China for example the puppet masters are in the government.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
You also have to look at the states and how they try to control or fight organized crime, in Russia and China for example the puppet masters are in the government.


it's the point number 5 more or less

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As a whole, the Mexican cartels might have more money than anyone. I would not be surprised if I am wrong about that. The Ndrangheta reportedly makes a lot of money too. I think it’d be better to compare individual groups within the different crime organizations. For example, the Sinaloa cartel compared to the Nirta family(Not the one involved in the San Luca feud, the other more powerful one) in the Ndrangheta. Or the Russian Bratva run by Semion Mogilevich compared to the Trapani family in Sicily run by Matteo Denaro.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
As a whole, the Mexican cartels might have more money than anyone. I would not be surprised if I am wrong about that. The Ndrangheta reportedly makes a lot of money too. I think it’d be better to compare individual groups within the different crime organizations. For example, the Sinaloa cartel compared to the Nirta family(Not the one involved in the San Luca feud, the other more powerful one) in the Ndrangheta. Or the Russian Bratva run by Semion Mogilevich compared to the Trapani family in Sicily run by Matteo Denaro.


sinaloa cartel should be compared to ndrangheta as a whole, mexican oc is divided into big cartels as italian oc in big mafia-style groups, same for russian mob or others

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The Sinaloa cartel is that big? I am not certain how big they are I always just saw them as a group under the umbrella of the label of “Mexican drug cartel” like other Mexican cartels. Which is why I saw them as a subset. It’d be like comparing the value of one MLB team to the value of all of the NFL teams combined. If we compared the Sinaloa cartel and the whole Ndrangheta then I think the Ndrangheta has more money and power. We would be taking all of the powerful individual families into account.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
The Sinaloa cartel is that big? I am not certain how big they are I always just saw them as a group under the umbrella of the label of “Mexican drug cartel” like other Mexican cartels. Which is why I saw them as a subset. It’d be like comparing the value of one MLB team to the value of all of the NFL teams combined. If we compared the Sinaloa cartel and the whole Ndrangheta then I think the Ndrangheta has more money and power. We would be taking all of the powerful individual families into account.


It is, 'Ndrangheta has around 5000 members and who knows how much associates(probably around 20,000~30,000). Sinaloa Cartel has over 3000-4000 members for sure.

On 25 February 2009, the U.S. government announced the arrest of 750 members of the Sinaloa Cartel across the U.S. in Operation Xcellerator.


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