One of the major programs that the CIA used was MKULTRA which utilized mind control via the use of LSD being administered to unknowing (un)willing volunteers (prisoners). One these participants was none other than James "Whitey" Bulger. Poor Jim complained of headaches for years.

Anyone see anything new with all the JFK stuff doing the rounds.

Last night Frontline on PBS did a documentary on Oswald. It aired for the first time ever last night. It mentioned Joe Campisi and Jack Ruby eating/drinking together at the Egyptian Lounge on many occasions. They showed the Egyptian Lounge in the show. They stated that Campisi was a lieutenant of Carlos Marcello's. It was the best doc on Oswald I ever seen. If you missed it, try to watch it next time it airs. Frontline does it right.

Forget the Mafia and the CIA.
The often quoted statement that JFK wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces" was made two and a half years before the assassination. In the ensuing period,not only did JFK not make any moves to disband the Agency,but he also passed the largest CIA appropriations package in the history of the CIA.
So if I have this right,the CIA figures "Hey this guy gave us more money than any President in the history of the US,so let's kill him because of something we think he might have said years ago". Yea,we'll show him".
On the subject of the Mafia,in the course of the last fifty years,not one credible piece of evidence has surfaced tying anyone but Oswald to the shooting.I know we have the ramblings of megalomaniacs claiming that they were in on it,and second and third hand "recollections" of discussions tying any one of a dozen mob guys to the hit,but if there were anything to it,we would have some hard evidence.
If you look at the thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of wiretaps that OC investigators have amassed over the last fifty years,along with all of the Mob guys that have caught serious sentences over the same period,and would have a major bargaining chip,not one,repeat,not one piece of evidence,or credible snitch testimony has surfaced.
The problem with the majority of conspiracy theories is that people hear or read something and stop there. If people would just follow a simple principle of "Don't rePEAT,reSEARCH, a lot of this stuff would go away.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, former Allegheny County Coroner, said in an interview with Geraldo that he believes the CIA planned the whole thing ...Oswald was an unwitting stooge.... that the CIA were, at that time, a very ''rogue'' agency and knew that Jack and Bobby were going to limit their powers..... this, to me is most plausible..... we'll never know..... sad to watch Kennedy in that limo because he was really just a good looking Irish rich kid who only wanted to fuck as many broads as possible and be a playboy.... his old man, the evil piece of Irish shit that he was, pushed Jack into running for office... Jack never had the need or lust to be president like brother Bobby did ... sad to see him cruising down the street with his sunglasses on looking cool with his movie star looking wife ...not knowing in a few moments his world would end. He never would have chased being president if not for his father and brother who both craved power... only wanted to chase broads. Very sad.

preview of conclusion on jfk...there were numerous conspiracies...when two or more people conspire, in secret, to do an unlawful act..that is a separate crime, regardless of whether they successfully complete the act...here are the conspiracies in the jfk case.

1. President Johnson and FBI director Hoover conspired, as evidenced by audio tapes of their phone calls to "rig" the warren commission to include only investigators that would support the hoover conclusion that oswald acted alone...without any influence. the conspiracy included staffing the investigative branch with individuals willing to obstruct an official investigation of congress by either preventing relevant evidence from coming before the members of the commission, and, or changing and influencing the testimony of witnesses who did not support hoover's presumptive conclusions. this agreement, is secret, by these two men, to rig the outcome of the investigaiton, is a conspiracy to obstruct justice under federal and state law

jfk...Conspiracy to obstruct an official homicide investigation under the state laws of texas by illegally removing the body of the president and taking it out of state before the dallas county medical examiner performed an autopsy...and the actual crime of violating the statute against obstructing an official texas investigation

Nat Geo did a good job on the Killing JFK movie focused primarily on Oswald. I never knew til recently that Oswald had shot another man through a window of his home while the guy was in his living room, some local politician I think. Oswald thought he killed the guy but he survived

After painstakingly documenting how the country’s security agencies played the Warren Commission, Shenon and Willens both explain away this monumental deception by claiming that the country’s intelligence apparatus was simply trying to hide its embarrassing failure to protect the president. But there’s another, more disturbing conclusion that is left hanging in the air. If the CIA was just trying to hide embarrassing mistakes back in the 1960s – security lapses that have long since been exposed — what is the agency still trying to conceal?

Ironically, I have read about 30 books on this mystery. The two most compelling books that I read were Crossfire (based on the conspiracy theory) and another book called Case Closed (based on the lone assassin theory). After finishing both books, I was absolutely convinced on both theories...but I do believe due to the fact that the CIA was a "rogue agency" in the 50's and 60's, Kennedy and his brother had all the reasons in the world to disban the agency...and the agency had all the reasons in the world to ensure JFK never completed that task...

Oswald owned the rifle, was seen with the rifle, and was seen carying something into the building, CBS or someone did a laser trajectory on the injuries to JFK and Gov Connally, and they all came from the 6th floor window. Oswald's rifle was found there.
the fact that he was working at the book building was a coincidence, Ruth Payne who Marina Oswald was living with got him that job based on info from a friend. He then fled the building and killed JD Tippit the Dallas PD officer and then was arrested.

See Turnbulls post on why there was not a good investigation.

Why would the CIA kill the President who gave them the largest budget appropriation in the history of the US? This came two and a half years after JFK "supposedly" said he would splinter the agency into a thousand pieces. He did nothing of the kind,and in fact,increased the CIA's scope of activity.When you get a record breaking amount of money from the President,do you then turn around and publicly murder him? As far as Bobby and the CIA,the Attorney General had absolutely no authority,power,legislative precedent,or constitutional mandate over the Intelligence operations of the Federal government,so outside of a conspiracy theorist fantasy,he was powerless.
Cyril Wecht,famous as he is,has made a major career,and millions of dollars off of the JFK killing by perpetuating a theory that even he initially denied.Wecht stated that he believed that the evidence supported two shots,striking Kennedy from the rear,accounting for all of the wounds in both Connally and JFK. He has since recanted this belief. Out of the four major investigations (Warren,Clark,Rockefeller,HSCA)a total of 19 forensic pathologists agreed that the wounds inflicted could have been caused by 2 shots,both striking Kennedy from the rear. Wecht was the only dissenting voice. Wecht loves the spotlight,fame and money that his private practice has enjoyed as a result of his high profile celebrity cases. Look up his better known cases and judge for yourself the credibility that he brings to the table.

Oswald alone. The KGB would be the logical sponsor, certainly more logical than the vast military/intelligence/law enforcement/mafia pact that is the sexy opinion, but there has been no real concrete proof that they were involved.

I do believe the KGB was far MORE involved early on in making people think right-wing plot instead of left-wing plot which is still believed today.

In no way were the Russians involved. If you believe Lee Harvey oswald was a communist, you´re delusional.

It's been pretty well established that LHO was a communist and that he had contacts with the KGB. Contacts are proven but collusion is not. The KGB's own files DO prove that they attempted to fool the American public into believing it was a right-wing CIA conspiracy. And, when it comes to non-thinking Americans who trust anything Hollywood puts out, it ended up working!

Here is a link to the KGB files that were released to our government.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/izvestia.txt
There is nothing in these documents that supports the statement that the "files DO prove they attempted to fool the American public into believing it was a right-wing CIA conspiracy". I would be interested in any other sources or information that you could cite as support of your allegation.
No question Oswald was under constant Soviet surveillance,and that his defector status was initially seen as a propaganda plus for the Russians. However, after they realized (as did most people who knew him)that Oswald was as nutty as squirrel sh*t,they cut him loose. Oswald described himself as a Marxist and a Leninist,but specifically denied being a Communist. These are three separate socio-political affiliations ,and are not interchangeable,although it is a common mistake to do so.

I don't know about the CIA, even if he did increase their budget, doesn't mean their weren't people within the agency working for others' interests. 'Course, anythings possible.

I do have to agree with you about the mafia, though. The JFK hit was the antithesis of the typical mob assassination. Besides which, I've been told (no idea how accurate this is) they've attempted to recreate the Oswald shot from the book depository with one of the best snipers in the world and he wasn't able to do it.


In any case I think it was his attempts to curtail the power of the federal reserve that ultimately lead to somebody wanting him dead... but we'll never know for sure.

Just like Lou Para says, there´s absolutely no prove of Oswald being a KGB agent. Neither are there any prove of Oswald being a communist/marxist/stalinist (whatever) in his KGB files handed to Clinton by Yeltsin. I think you are jumping to absurd conclusions.

http://www.paperlessarchives.com/FreeTitles/OswaldKGB.pdf

An article published in the Russian newspaper Commersant (June 22, 1999) dealt with Oswald´s KGB files. Hit "Translation" right under the article. http://www.jfk-info.com/russian1.htm

Retired KGB colonel Mikhail Lyubimov told Echo Moscow radio station that the assassination of President Kennedy sent Soviet leaders into shock and left Moscow fearful that it would be blamed for the murder. "(Nikita) Khrushchev rushed in terror to the U.S. ambassador to say we were not involved," Lyubimov said of the then Soviet leader. "The only sensation that will hit the world (following release of the latest documents) is that we (the Soviet Union) had nothing to do with the assassination of Kennedy," he said. "I rule it out 100 percent. Even under Stalin we didn't assassinate foreigners and after his (Stalin's) death the politburo banned terrorist acts," Lyubimov said. He dismissed suggestions that a rogue KGB unit could have gone in alone and carried out the operation, saying "the KGB was strictly under the control of the politburo and the party leadership."

In 1962, Oswald left the Soviet Union and returned to the USA. He encountered none, whatsoever, problem with reentering US. He even got his American citizenship back without breaking a sweat. And that´s remarkable considering being an American "defector" and self proclaimed "marxist". Oswald being a marxist...are you serious? Keep in mind that this was in the midst of the cold war. At that time, people were jailed in the US for just sympathizing with socilasm. Read about the McCarthy era for example. One of Oswald´s best friends in Dallas was George De Mohrenschildt, a Belo russian immigrant so far to the right on the political scale, you would have to turn your head 180 degrees to be able to see him. It was through his contacts, Oswald gained a job at the school book depository in Dallas. Find out about George De Mohrenschildt by googling him. Do you really think De Mohrenschildt would have helped Oswald if Oswald was a communist/marxist/leninist? Of course not!

I think, if you really want to find out who killed JFK, do some heavy research on United States National Security Council and some of its members at the time of the JFK killing. Was the Mafia somehow involved? Maybe, who knows?

When Yuri Nosenko defected he said Oswald was not a Soviet agent. Of course you have to believe that Nosenko was on the level and not a plant by the KGB. But after all these years i believe Nosenko was a legit defector and not a double agent.

Hairy, Ferrie had alopecia, a decease that makes all of your body hair fall out and worsens with age. He wore a homemade wig and fake eye-brows later in life.

Fair enough. That explains it.

Here's a long article about the so-called Mitrokhin archive, which were KGB archives compiled by a defector who worked as an archivist for the Soviet Union named . One of the key revelations is the KGB's influence in left-wing newspapers in Europe, especially Paese Sera in Italy, which was the source of the Clay Shaw/CIA connection. It essentially, and so far incorrectly, identified Shaw as a spy and agent of the CIA. This very article is what actually inspired Jim Garrison to pursue his entirely unsuccessful case against Clay Shaw (which was virtually laughed out of court) AND inspired Oliver Stone's JFK movie which is, of course, the source of so much of the JFK conspiracy nonsense.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011109043457/http://wwics.si.edu/OUTREACH/WQ/WQSELECT/GARRISON.HTM

Here is the actual archive:

http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/52/Mitrokhin-Archive

Here's a book detailing Mitrokhin Archive and the usage of disinformation in the press by the KGB:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9TWUAQ7Xof8C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false



Fair enough but I personally don't take much stock in the finely split hairs between Marxist/Maoist/Communist/Leninist and whatever. The differences between them seem pretty fluid.

FWIW Lee Harvey Oswald ALSO said he WAS a Communist. In his written request to the Kremlin for Soviet citizenship he states: "“I am a communist and a worker and I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/01/08/lee_harvey_oswalds_request_for_soviet_citizenship

My guess? He liked Marxism but he also like attention and would say whatever got him the most attention at that moment. Since they are pretty fluid, all definitions probably were accurate at one time or another.

You are putting words in my mouth. I never stated Oswald was a KGB agent. Just that he had contacts. In face I stated there was no proven collusion.



Actually quite a few defectors from Russia came back to the United States around the same time as Oswald. There was a study commissioned about it by the House.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/defector.htm

I suspect the political win of attracting a defector back from the Soviets overtook the danger of letting a pseudo-marxist nutjob back into the United States. Afterall all the other defectors didn't shoot Kennedy.



It wasn't thru George De Mohrenschildt's contacts that Oswald got the job at the Book Depository. He got Oswald another job prior to that at a photographic company.

Also I think you are overstating de Mohrenschildt's anti-Communist credentials. He actually did business in oil with the Yugoslavian government for example. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't pro-Soviet or anything, he would be debriefed by the CIA whenever he went overseas afterall but I think he was the kind of aristocratic playboy who wouldn't care if some semi-educated hillbilly he made friends with had some lunatic beliefs.

I´m not familiar with these other cases so I can´t comment on them. But if you read the case of the Blocks, "... the Blocks were expelled from the U.S.S.R.(39) Morris Block was charged with acts of hooliganism and Mollie Block was charged with handling out anti-Soviet propaganda to foreign students at the Polytechnic Institute.(40) They departed from the U.S.S.R. to the United States on July 11, 1964. (41)" The Blocks sounds like they were truely convinced communists, don´t they? To me, many of these cases smells like CIA plants, part of a top secret CIA project.



Yeah, De Mohrenschildt was a true samaritan. A man of the people.

In this same thread, a clip from youtube was posted. In the clip, a photo was shown of Oswald and David Ferrie together at a Cuban refugee training camp. It´s been deleted since, but I´ve seen the photo and I´m sure many others as well have seen it. The Cubans at that training camp were no lefties...far from it. What was Oswald doing there, IF he was a communist???

...JFK...my summary...here we go. As in baseball, some hitters have a natural tendency to pull the ball to a certain part of the field. It is not taught. Its part of their make up. That is where we start.
Oswald was a Marxist, delcaring his support for Castro and Cuba on the streets of New Orleans. He was interviewed shortly after he caused a disturbance while passing out pamphlets entitled "fair play for Cuba." He is in the middle of the circle. The CIA knew about Oswald long before Dallas. He went to the U.S.S.R. and started a new life during the cold war. He was "on the radar" in a big way. He made noise over there. He attempted suicide when he was initially denied a return to the u.s.a. The FBI, through their contacts with the CIA, picked up on Oswald and was on their radar. They knew he was a potential problem, they knew he was a communist in the cold war, they knew he was in new orleans proclaiming his loyalty to Castro, they knew he was precisley the kind of loose cannon that could play a key role in regime chagne. Just as a right handed hitter who pulls the ball hits to left field, the CIA and FBI, who had their own weighty reasons to want a regime change in Washington, let this outcast follow his natural tendencies, to pull the ball, to go to New Orleans, to Mexico City. They had him on the radar, the perfect patsy, to use as a "beard" if necessary, to let nature take its course.

Could Oswald actually do the act, or place himself in a position to be used-could he pull the trigger? Their investment in monitoring him paid off. He soon proved he could be placed in the circle. General Walker, a right wing extremist, who wanted Castro dead, was the intended victim of an assassin's bullet. A routine shot for any professional or qualified sniper, Oswald, the poor shot he was, as testified by his fellow soldiers in ignored deposition statements to the warren commission, proved he was ready, willing but maybe, not able. Again, the perfect patsy.

History places Oswald in the southwest. He was born in New Orleans. He was a troubled loner. History also places the president in the south, as the Texas democratic politicians needed to be reunited for the Presdiential election in 1964. The rogue elements of the intelligence agencies continue to follow him, monitor him, track him on the radar. He now has a plan. He will plan to assassinate the enemy of Castro, President Kennedy, when the perfect storm forms on November 22, 1963. He know the President is coming to Dallas. In his quest for Marxist glory and worldwide recognition, as with most deranged loners, he travels to Mexico City to arrange for transit to Cuba, then on to the Soviet Union, as a triumphant hero, after he kills the American President. The CIA monitors his actions. They know he is there, they know why. He fails to obtain his exit visas for his triumphant return to the waiting arms of his compatriots. He panics. So does the CIA. Dulles and friends, arrange for a "double" that does not look like Oswald, and parades him around to the Mexican embassies. The CIA had to have plausible deniabilty. They had to be able to say, yes, a man named oswald was here, but look at this picture, it wasn't him. They never expected FBI agents to stumble on the real oswald. They destroyed the FBI reports that placed oswald in mexico city and erased their knowledge of him being on the radar. They were unsuccessful in erasing the fake oswald photographs. This would come back to haunt them, but the knew they could eventually seal any record.

Dejected but determined, Oswald returns to Dallas. The plan continues. A psychological profile of Oswald places him in the category of the loner who the world would know. There would be no mistake that he, not someone else, killed the President, earning him a place in the history books. Thus, he intentionally leaves a trail that a first year intelligence agent could follow. He orders an Italian rifle, through the mail, with a lame alias, knowing full well that the FBI would trace the gun to him after the shooting, giving him full credit for the kill. Why else would he leave such a "cookie crumb" trail involving the potential murder weapon?

He reads the parade route and places himself on the sixth floor. By now, supported by testimony of Russian embassy officials in Mexico City who described him as nervous and jerky, he experience "approach anxiety." He knows his place in immortality depends on him hitting a moving target with a surplus world war II rifle. He panics, sweats and passes the chance for a head on shot before the Presidential limo turns down the expressway. He begins to panic as the Limo moves, with each second, further out of range for a marginal shot, which he is. Fighting the attack on his central nervous system, he squeezes off the first shot. It misses wildly, traveling over the Limo, hitting the concrete curb in front of the Limo, and careening ahead, striking the cheek of a onlooker, a used auto salesman named Tague. The first bullet is gone and accounted for, a complete miss. He then lifts his head away from the sights, reloads and has to line up the sites of the rifle with the Limo which has now traveled further out of his range. He fires a second shot. It misses the President and strikes the top of the front windshield, leaving an obvious mark. He begins to panic. He raises his head, puts it back into the rifle sights as the Limo is now traveling further toward the Trademart. To his horror, he looks in the rifle scope and sees the President out of positon, bending over, with his head toward his knees. A thought flashes through his mind. Could it be someone else is there? In full panic, he fires a third shot, missing the motorcade. He looks up and sees something "is definitely wrong." He goes into evacuation mode. He flees his barricaded perch, leaving the full shell of the fourth shot. He never fired the fourth shot. The rifle and the three shell casings and the unfired fourth bullet are recovered by Hoover's agents. He exits the building and tries to leave the area and conceal himself until he can calm down and put the pieces of the puzzle together. He now knows, and always knew, that their were footsteps behind him for quite sometime. He liked it. He wanted to be noticed. Now he wondered if he was set up. They arrest him in a nearby theater when an employee calls the police because a man didn't pay. He matches the description. A scuffle ensues. He is taken into custody. Blows are exchanged and a handgun is alleged to have been found on him. He is taken to Dallas Police H.Q. He is questioned. The documentation, notes and tapes of the most important interrogation of the twentieth century disappear. The FBI AND CIA have taken over the "progress of things."

Oswald finally figures out he will be charged for killing the President of the United States. Out of all the possible responses, Oswald makes it clear. "I'm a patsy!"

jfk..continued....CRIMES COMMITTED...conspiracy to obstruct justice, conspiracy to obsturct a criminal investigation, witness tampering, destruction of crime scene evidence, violation of the texas statute calling for the autopsy to be conducted in dallas also constiutes a crime as well as the conspiracy to remove the president's body from the jurisdiction of the crime. the fbi and cia destorying, concealing and altering evidence contstitutes obstruction of an investigation, regardless of their intent. These are prosecutable crimes. A Conspiracy is a seperate crime unto itself. it punishes the wrongdoers for their active concealment of relevant facts and acts or omissions. The acting in concert, together, in secret, for an illegal purpose, is a crime regardless of whether the purpose is accomplished. The FBI, CIA and the Dallas PD are guilty as co-conspirators as evidenced by their conduct in picking members of the warren commission, investigators of the commission, and those who controlled what evidence was presented to the commission.

...LOOSE ENDS...let me begin...
..the fatal bullets fired by the "saftey net" of a trained agency sniper..from the dal-tex building made no noise...snipers, in particular after coming of age in WWII....and most specifically to black op operations...use high power scope rifles WITH SILENCERS....the fatal shots were never heard.

..the picket fence...eyewitness testimony is more reliable, the more witnesses you have that observe the same thing, at the same time and at the same location. Over 50 eyewitnesses ALL said they saw smoke, saw a rifleman or even heard a shot...from the grassy knoll....FIFTY. The warren commission ignored ALL OF THEM. many disappeared, or changed their story. This accumulation of eyewitness testimony cannot be ignored. The sheer number of witnesses, their location and ability to observe and their movements to the knoll area create monumental questions about the warren commission. in my view, they prove a second shooter, who may or may not have missed. Whatever the case, a second shooter rules out a lone gunmen.

medical evidence. the lack of original autopsy notes, which were burned by the naval pathologist, the lack of expert pathology photographs, which were seized by the secret service, the absence of the president's brain, at the direction of rfk, for whatever motive, and the botched autopsy have virtually obliterated the best evidence. Here, the body cannot speak clearly to us. If it doesn't prove a second gunman due to frontal shots, then it doesn't prove a lone gunman, as shot from behind cannot be confirmed. what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

A seasoned criminal defense lawyer would be able to poke holes, at this point in time, at the lone gunman theory, until hell freezes over, or when the CIA releases the balance of the assassination records it had sealed, whichever comes first.

and...one more...conspiracies ARE NOT HARD to keep quiet..for years..or lifetimes..look at the mafia code of silence...and the smaller the conspiracy..or if they kill the assassins...it is silenced...and how many people go to jail with information about killings they keep quiet for various reasons...all crimes are never fully confessed....this is another misdirection play of the opposing forces in the argument...finally, an fbi agent had one of the suspects who was on tape predicting and saying jfk was set to be killed in dallas...i posted it...and sure enough...the agent produced a picture of him in dallas that day....the agent was transferred and told to shut his mouth...this is the type of cover up that was there all the time..continued through watergate...and right up to snowden.......trust no one.....

What's your theory for Oswald passing out pro-Castro leaflets, just a few months prior to the assassination? You'd be hard pressed to find any conservative spreading pro Castro propaganda in 1963.