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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: PetroPirelli] #982084
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The deal was supposed to bring back stability and whatever type of peace can exist within the business of OC. With all the profit that would have been rolling in. It wasn’t hard for me to conceive it was possible, especially if Rizzuto was able to get the ball rolling with Cartel for the deal, to enable him to Vendetta.

Included with all the attacks on his family, was the fact that his mother and sister witnessed his father death. On top of it all the Sicilian Don has his mother and sister’ honor to restore, and whatever else.

When he died, it was another instance of we or I can do what he does better, as well as all the old feelings of hate, and the general emotions that the OC business provides.

Is there realistically anyone that can do whatever it was that Rizzuto did to bring back stability, or was he right when he predicted the mess that would ensue when he went to prison, and this is just the landscape now?

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I have seen video of Rizzuto walking around a hotel in Dominican after his release, same one he was apparently in on with Canadian billionaire Mike Degroote. Seemed Degroote ripped Rizzuto group off when Rizzuto died. The Dominican Casino and Sports Betting is another underlining current that’s involved, but has yet to be really considered or discussed regarding this war.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #982128
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Man dead after shooting in downtown Montreal hotel room
Police say witnesses who were in the room are not co-operating with investigation

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/shooting-hotel-downtown-1.5383458?cmp=rss


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: MolochioInduced] #982328
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listening to the podcast, it brought up a point that I wanted to confirm. They state that Woolley couldn’t be HA because he is black and HA is white only club. Why are there non-white HA members in Canada, a non-white HA was killed in BC not too long ago.
Do Canada Hells Angels not have follow the rest of the world club?non white members??peace with Outlaws in Ontario?

What has changed, new presidents and leadership??

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/vancouv...d-in-shooting-near-south-surrey-mall/amp



https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...malgre-lui-dans-les-mailles-du-filet.php

In this article, theirs a picture of members of one of the hells angels puppet club, the Minotaures. In the picture, you can see the club look to have some black members.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Blackmobs] #982334
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Thanks, if it’s puppet then they are subordinate to HA? If so and are street gang recruits who can 1%, then is this the tie between HA and streetgang, those types have been implicated if attempts on Pat Musitano and murder of CeCe Luppino, Quebec roots.

The murder of Ang Musitano and Mila Barberi were college students from Hamilton, that fled to Mexico or have been caught. This war is crazy, Ontario-Quebec-Mexico, who knows where else.

It’s starting to show the importance of at least the cities of Toronto, Hamilton and Montreal are to the business of crime.


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Man dead after shooting in downtown Montreal hotel room
Police say witnesses who were in the room are not co-operating with investigation

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/shooting-hotel-downtown-1.5383458?cmp=rss


The victim is Brendon Bombia, a 26-year-old man known to the police community as being linked to street gangs.


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The Rizzuto clan is back in force
A group of five people has recently regained control of Montreal organized crime

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2019/12/09/le-clan-des-rizzuto-revient-en-force

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The Rizzuto clan is back in force
A group of five people has recently regained control of Montreal organized crime

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2019/12/09/le-clan-des-rizzuto-revient-en-force


Good stuff !

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Blackmobs] #982368
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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
The Rizzuto clan is back in force
A group of five people has recently regained control of Montreal organized crime

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2019/12/09/le-clan-des-rizzuto-revient-en-force


The way I read that is exactly what I suspect. Sollecito is the front boss, and Rizzuto seems like the boss in the back. I believe Leonardo is an educated lawyer, it's likely he will be dealing with the high end white collar crime, where as Sollecito will deal with the street stuff.

That alliance with Mirarchi seems rather interesting, Vito did the same in the past with the Cotroni faction, and it looks like the new leaders are taking a page out of that book. It's very smart if everyone holds their end of the bargain, which is a good possibility if things quiet down and business goes good.

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/montrea...sode-6-vito-rizzuto-global-superboss/amp

Good podcast on Vito Rizzuto.

- He made a deal with toronto mobster, because the Hells Angles could be a treat in Ontario.

- He refuse the rank of Capo for the Bonnano family, and ask to put his father instead.

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What an interesting article, not wanting to wear your patch, is something I understand would upset others. With LE harassment, it makes sense not to advertise what you’re involved.

Sal Cazzetta was Rock Machine, that is now HA what a career choice being a professional criminal is, lol. Francesco Acardi is like the last peasant standing of Rizzuto, not an insult either. Nicolò and Vic Rizzuto, Renda born in Sicily, Rocco Sollecito I believe born in Bari and Acardi born in Calabria. All of them are Southern Italian born, if the above is correct.

That could be where this new style of diplomacy is from, the same place that the Fathers and Mothers get it. Also a Southern Italian Zip program could be what is providing the proper structure for the Rizzuto to get back traction and Market Share. The alliances with HA developed by Vito and Nicolò JR, specifically 95 Nomads, seems to of been more Blood than Business and paying off


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The Mirarchi thing is interesting. Perhaps he was further removed from the murders of Vito's father and son, along with Renda, Cuntrera etc.

That being said, I would still have to believe Desjardins continues to be a dead man walking. I can't see how they can allow his betrayal.

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Good point, not to be a broken record, but Mirarchi being Southern Italian, I assume Calabrese. They would benefit from the meetings Rizzuto had after release from Prison, if they stuck to their promises/oaths and the business model.

Ray is different not Southern Italian, plus Bravo talked trash in Sicily about Vito and edified Desjardins. Sicilians killed Bravo, even with Vito dead, the right people know Ray’s name.

I assume this is also why Mom Boucher was convicted of attempted murder of Desjardins earlier this year. You wonder if the Calabrese that were with Desjardins will see the opportunity of playing for blood now, as dictated on the otherside of the Atlantic, opposed to money that has brought problems since. Also if this will help bring some form of stability to the mob in Toronto and Hamilton as well


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30 murders in 10 years: the crimes of the blood of the mafia

The decade that has ended is bloody in the Montreal mafia. Murders ordered, account settlements, plots and various associations to delight the power at Rizzuto.

In spring 2010, the consigliere of the Sicilians, and Vito Rizzuto's brother-in-law, Paulo Renda, was kidnapped by two fake policemen and a few months later, the patriarch Nick Rizzuto was shot dead at his home. Then, the victims follow one another.


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What an incredible article!

Mirarchi working with he Rizzuto's again is also surprising. It shows that the Scoppa's may have been in conflict with Mirarchi's group too. That way, a possible alliance could have been bridged by the Rizzuto's if they took care of Scoppa, and thus continue working together.

The article mentions both Acradi and Del Balso are active again. The cop interviewed mentioned that "Andrea Scoppa represented instability and Arcadi was stability." Wow, powerful statement. I guess the decision had to be made. It was either one or the other. The Scoppa's took care of Sollecito, Giordano and the Falduto's... maybe they had a plan for Arcadi too and decisions had to be made?

Very interesting to see what's to come of this. If the streets remain quiet for a while, we'll know they have their shit together for the first time in a while. It looks more like the "organized" portion of "organized crime" is making a comeback in Montreal.


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The Mirarchi thing is interesting. Perhaps he was further removed from the murders of Vito's father and son, along with Renda, Cuntrera etc.

That being said, I would still have to believe Desjardins continues to be a dead man walking. I can't see how they can allow his betrayal.


The Mirarchi clan is still a mystery they seem independent. One of his guys is Francesco Catalano at first I thought he was Sicilian but I now think he may be from Reggio Calabria. They were also linked to the Bertolos who worked for Arcadi. Maybe Compare Franco is now bringing everybody back in the fold.

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The Mirarchi thing is interesting. Perhaps he was further removed from the murders of Vito's father and son, along with Renda, Cuntrera etc.

That being said, I would still have to believe Desjardins continues to be a dead man walking. I can't see how they can allow his betrayal.


The Mirarchi clan is still a mystery they seem independent. One of his guys is Francesco Catalano at first I thought he was Sicilian but I now think he may be from Reggio Calabria. They were also linked to the Bertolos who worked for Arcadi. Maybe Compare Franco is now bringing everybody back in the fold.


I don't think Mirarchi is independent, he's most likely with the old Cotroni crew or whatever is left from it, based on the evidence, he seemed like Desjardins' protege, so it's going to be interesting to see how this works out given that Desjardins is a marked man and Mirarchi was really close to him.

I have a feeling Mirarchi is pulling out a page from Junior Soprano's book (How he played Richie in favor for Tony). Mirarchi knows who the power is, not only is he saving his own butt in this case, he also sees this as an opportunity to move up. After all, it's better to be a capo of an official crew and be alive rather than back up a non-Italian who is marked for death. Whatever significance Desjardins had, likely was gone when his brother in law (Joe Di Maulo) was hit.

With Arcadi and Del Balso back in the fold, chances are they'll get the muscle crew of the family back in business. Del Balso will probably get bumped to capo of that crew while Arcadi being an old timer will probably move up to some sort of adviser role (Similar to what Rocco Sollecito was before his death). They also have a Cun-trera in their family that will likely lead the drug crew, while Rizzuto/Sollecito will focus on the higher end businesses and carry on where their fathers left off.

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Seems like there’s multiple crews again. Possibly Del Balso like you said, Cuntrera, Mirarchi, the guy D’Adamo from lasalle might also have one, Salvaggio is very close to them and high regarded so he may be a capo as well, and I’m probably forgetting a few other people still close with the rizzutos. Seems like even the hells angels are falling in line now that they see the Italians are getting their shit together. I think the rizzutos killed so many people that they basically won the war and everyone is scared and falling in line. It may be early, but it could be a new era for that family as a powerhouse. Whoever wrote them off years ago were fools.

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If they HA are following Rizzuto again, it’s probably related to HA Nomad Stadnik getting off parole. He was HA National President as well in Canada. Rizzuto and HA Nomads 95 were/are close. The way those guys did business, it’s as if they were Sicilians in 1%er clothes.

The way Salvatore Scoppa was murdered was so sensational, if was like something you would see in Naples. If the war amongst the families is cooling or done, the opportunity to allow the Nomads 95 to take back their club might be next or already accomplished.

The people in government that were either involved in Charbonneau Commission or being investigated have probably just went back to business as well


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I always thought that compare frank Arcadi double cross the rizzutos or some shit. Like he tried to take over as boss and failed? If so how is he back in their good graces ?

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Originally Posted by JoeTadaro
I always thought that compare frank Arcadi double cross the rizzutos or some shit. Like he tried to take over as boss and failed? If so how is he back in their good graces ?


Yeah it was about Frank doing cocaine deals without telling the Rizzutos, but that was years ago we don't know about the current situation don't forget his guy Ray Kahno was killed this year.

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I always thought that compare frank Arcadi double cross the rizzutos or some shit. Like he tried to take over as boss and failed? If so how is he back in their good graces ?


He might have messed some things up on the street for the family, but I don't think he ever double crossed Vito.

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I always thought that compare frank Arcadi double cross the rizzutos or some shit. Like he tried to take over as boss and failed? If so how is he back in their good graces ?


He might have messed some things up on the street for the family, but I don't think he ever double crossed Vito.


They also depended on him, his crew was the armed arm of the Rizzuto clan.


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I wouldn't be jumping to believe that just yet unless Mirarchi stabbed Desjardins in the back there is no way he would let Sollecito/Rizzuto murder Raynald because him and Mirarchi are so close. If they decided to work with Mirarchi he had to give up Ray I think IMHO.

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I wouldn't be jumping to believe that just yet unless Mirarchi stabbed Desjardins in the back there is no way he would let Sollecito/Rizzuto murder Raynald because him and Mirarchi are so close. If they decided to work with Mirarchi he had to give up Ray I think IMHO.


I agree, don't forget Jacques Desjardins the brother of Raynald is missing two years now, def lupara bianca. I won't rule out Ray yet.

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Originally Posted by dixiemafia
I wouldn't be jumping to believe that just yet unless Mirarchi stabbed Desjardins in the back there is no way he would let Sollecito/Rizzuto murder Raynald because him and Mirarchi are so close. If they decided to work with Mirarchi he had to give up Ray I think IMHO.


I would not rule out Mirarchi stabbing Desjardins in the back either. He was very close to him, but it's not like they're bound by blood. Remember that Raynald was once close to Vito too, and that did not stop him from double crossing the family and working with the enemy.

If Mirarchi is with the Rizzutos now, it's because he sees it as an opportunity to save his own butt from all these assassinations, and because he can position himself to be something significant in the organization.

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Both make great points. Raynald has the fact that he is French, in a part of a country where French people tend to be in positions of power. More than likely some were part of the plot and attack on Rizzuto. Government, Elite Class type, there must of been an attempt in those circles to remove Rizzuto loyalists.

If that’s what really failed, then Desjardins won’t be safe in prison or anywhere else, unless they went back to the people they were paying and taking money from. It could enable lots of people back into Rizzuto good standing, where the Pizzo flows Is where most people are, meaning the pockets of the boss/bosses.

The fella murder in the Muskoka, Kahno, I heard that it was Desjardins that got it done for whoever, the guy was too lose of a end, and tying him off was the first of many agreements that has got Montreal and maybe now Ontario some stability.


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