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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979805
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Meurtre d'Andrew Scoppa: du respect pour Vito Rizzuto, mais pas pour ses successeurs

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...izzuto-mais-pas-pour-ses-successeurs.php

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979808
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979811
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Were the scoppa's on the same side as desjardins?


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: eurodave] #979812
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Originally Posted by eurodave
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Were the Falduto brothers the shooters for the Scoppas in the Sollecito and Giordano hits, then double -crossed and killed themselves by the Scoppas? Seems like they were clearly Scoppa crew members...


no, Scarfo and Massari were on that hit. Falduto bros were eliminated because of their loyalty to the Sicilians and the territory they controlled (part of RDP)


The Falduto surname is found most among Italians whose ancestry is from Calabria but is common enough that people in Lombardia, Lazio, Piemonte, Sicily, and Toscana -- among other regions -- also bear that surname. Do you happen to know whether there is definitive information that the Falduto brothers had Calabrian ancestry?

I'm fairly certain Lorenzo Giordano's mother (last name: Scrufari) descended from Calabria. Did his father as well?


Once again the media strikes. They pitch this whole thing as a Sicilian vs Calabrian rivalry when it's not that simple.

Falduto are from Reggio Calabria
Giordano also from Reggio Calabria
Sollecito from Bari
Spagnolo from Cattolica Eraclea
Scoppa is from Catanzaro region

Clearly this isn't a sicilian vs calabrian cell war but rather a battle for turf between different clans which have italian canadian leaders from various regions in italy. The Scoppa brothers were at odds with similarly aged gangsters left from the old rizzuto clan.

i knew spagnolo was sicilian and sollecito from puglia, i was not sure about the ancestry of the others... anyway canadian mafia is like american one, formed by sicilians but with members from other regions

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: thebigfella] #979815
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
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French-language journalist Daniel Renaud was interviewed by CTV Montreal News journalist Rachel Lau. This is what she wrote in her article, which is published in English (https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/reputed...w-scoppa-killed-in-pierrefonds-1.4647556):

Renaud told CTV Scoppa's death was [sic] not come as a surprise to those who follow the movements of Montreal's underworld, and likely wasn't even a shock to Scoppa himself. Police had warned him that his life was in danger at least once in the past few months, the journalist said.

With Andrew's death, the Scoppa clan has been wiped off the map, Renaud said.

"Whatever is left of their clan, if ever there were other individuals who were faithful to Andrew, they will doubtlessly head to other clans," he told CTV.

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Nevertheless, I can't help but wonder whether there will be a revenge killing soon or three years from now, regardless of whether Scoppa's crew is no more. His friends/associates could become part of a crime group that doesn't like the way the Italian underworld is being run by whoever is the presumed leader(s) of the Montreal Mafia (Stefano Sollecito, or he and Leonardo Rizzuto), which Scoppa apparently was considered at one point in the last few years -- Scoppa might have had an extensive network of contacts, some of whom may also want to avenge his death; one article by Renaud from September 2018 mentions Scoppa's role as the Montreal Mafia's interim leader, and that in May 2016, the idea of Andrew and brother Salvatore being co-leaders was met with approval by the mafia in Toronto and in Italy, according to a source. (Link: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...t-ete-chef-interimaire-de-la-mafia.php/.)

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: thebigfella] #979822
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
Were the scoppa's on the same side as desjardins?


Good question, Both Andrew and Raynald were at one time close to Vito Rizzuto.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979824
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Originally Posted by antimafia
Meurtre d'Andrew Scoppa: du respect pour Vito Rizzuto, mais pas pour ses successeurs

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...izzuto-mais-pas-pour-ses-successeurs.php


Merci antimafia, a nice portrait of Andrew.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979843
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Interesting tweet by Anna Sergi. Those who don't know her she is an expert on the 'Ndrangheta.

"The fact that two Calabrian brothers are dead in Laval (Montreal) in the space of a few months needs to be read in conjunction with the instrumental friendships other alleged mafia people in the city are making in other cities."


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979846
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Nah, probably not at all - I think she's wrong and trying to sound relevant...this is Sollecito and Rizzuto finally getting him after a number of years and long consideration and I don't think they need any new friends or permission from anyone to do it..

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Her comment implies they sought permission from other cities which seems incorrect to say the least.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979874
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Originally Posted by antimafia
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French-language journalist Daniel Renaud was interviewed by CTV Montreal News journalist Rachel Lau. This is what she wrote in her article, which is published in English (https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/reputed...w-scoppa-killed-in-pierrefonds-1.4647556):

Renaud told CTV Scoppa's death was [sic] not come as a surprise to those who follow the movements of Montreal's underworld, and likely wasn't even a shock to Scoppa himself. Police had warned him that his life was in danger at least once in the past few months, the journalist said.

With Andrew's death, the Scoppa clan has been wiped off the map, Renaud said.

"Whatever is left of their clan, if ever there were other individuals who were faithful to Andrew, they will doubtlessly head to other clans," he told CTV.

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Nevertheless, I can't help but wonder whether there will be a revenge killing soon or three years from now, regardless of whether Scoppa's crew is no more. His friends/associates could become part of a crime group that doesn't like the way the Italian underworld is being run by whoever is the presumed leader(s) of the Montreal Mafia (Stefano Sollecito, or he and Leonardo Rizzuto), which Scoppa apparently was considered at one point in the last few years -- Scoppa might have had an extensive network of contacts, some of whom may also want to avenge his death; one article by Renaud from September 2018 mentions Scoppa's role as the Montreal Mafia's interim leader, and that in May 2016, the idea of Andrew and brother Salvatore being co-leaders was met with approval by the mafia in Toronto and in Italy, according to a source. (Link: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...t-ete-chef-interimaire-de-la-mafia.php/.)


This is very interesting. I suppose with Toronto and Italy the reference is to the 'Ndrangheta. They may have used the Scoppas as proxy's to gain more influence in Montreal, now that it may be more of an open city (as a result of the failed attempt by Montagna to reorganize the fractured Bonanno crew and Vito Rizzuto' s demise).

But imo it is unlikely the Scoppas themselves are 'Ndrangheta based on the fact that they were first connected to Moreno Gallo (an alleged Bonanno member) and Vito Rizzuto (a Bonanno member). Previously, Montreal was La Cosa Nostra territory. A few years ago Renaud identified Andrew as a member, but in what family would he have been inducted?

It is very much requested the Canadian mob experts, such as Renaud, specify this matter instead of these vague anecdotes.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979881
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Brace for more violence after Pierrefonds shooting, Mafia experts warn

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...pierrefonds-shooting-mafia-experts-warn/

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979906
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Originally Posted by antimafia
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And Deland had his article published this past Thursday:

Criblé de balles en plein jour dans Saint-Léonard

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/10/03/crible-de-balles-en-plein-jo.ur-dans-saint-leonard


Link doesn't work here you go https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/10/03/crible-de-balles-en-plein-jour-dans-saint-leonard

Have we learned any thing about the motive? The name Terlizzese doesn't ring a bell but it looks like it has Puglian origins.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979917
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Thanks for pointing out my error. I've fixed the link in the original post.

As far as I know, there hasn't been any news about the shots being fired at Terlizzese.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #979944
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With Trump trying to crush the southern border Canada will be making unlimited money .

Before and after the 70’s and up till the routes were created by what we now know as cartels Canada was the the place and all the city’s that border it . You watch with Mexico taking a huge hit from USA these city’s on the northern border will once again will increase in OC control.

There is a small town on the border of Maine called Eagle Lake and the route in 60’s and 70’s was so well traveled for stuff headed south people could not understand why there were so much traffic on a logging road that eventually connected to 95 .

Not just that , the money spent to get 95 extended further north to meet the route from Eagle Lake always had my attention and one of the old OC guys from,Nucky Johnson friends at the end a Italian guy (dead and gone) bought most of the town cannot say more other then these places are ripe for what’s going to start over again.

Obviously weed was a big thing for that route and with it being legal the traffic will have other stuff in the loads

Backthen the main highway north of Eagle Lake had aborder stop but there were tons and tons of back roads .

Not the Eagle Lake in center of state .... north.

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'Ndrangheta or not the fact is the Scoppa's ties to the underworld stretching to Italy and Mexico are significant.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Serpiente] #979983
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Originally Posted by Serpiente
With Trump trying to crush the southern border Canada will be making unlimited money .

Before and after the 70’s and up till the routes were created by what we now know as cartels Canada was the the place and all the city’s that border it . You watch with Mexico taking a huge hit from USA these city’s on the northern border will once again will increase in OC control.


The stupid wall, even if they somehow got it built, won’t put even a slight dent in the drug trade from Mexico. Even the DEA says 95% of all drugs come through legal ports of entry. The cartels flood the highways going north with so much drugs, and maybe 1 in 10 loads actually gets stopped. No wall will stop that.

Not to mention Chapo was famous for building tunnels underneath the border, which a wall wouldn’t stop. And I only mention the wall because that’s the only solution the current administration has come up with, which anyone who follows the drug trade knows it’ll fail.

The Canadians are all working with the Mexicans, like Tony Suzuki buying from the Sinaloa cartel. This won’t stop anytime soon. The Mexicans have too much control over central and south america as well.


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The theft of money to repay a debt to the Mafia could be the motive for the wild assault of a woman
Jean-Sébastien Cormier, the victim's ex-husband, owed money to Marco Pizzi

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...fia-pourrait-etre-le-mobile-du-crime.php


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Un promoteur au passé trouble s’étend au centre-ville

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2019/10/25/un-promoteur-au-passe-trouble-setend-au-centre-ville

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Who want to be the boss now? Most of the leaders have been killed lol.


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Andrew Scoppa killed in Montreal: thoughtful Mafia boss doomed by circumstance

Andrew Scoppa, aka Andrea Scoppa, 55, was shot dead Monday morning while making his rounds near the top of St. John's Blvd in Pierrefonds.
Scoppa leaves a widow whom he married in the late 90s, as well as three kids.
Scoppa was an underworld entrepreneur, considered the head of one of the seven tribes controlling the local crime scene and was admired for being an even-tempered, thoughtful person, well-read in history, a Habs fan and extremely cool under even the most intense pressure.
Andrew's younger brother Sal Scoppa, 49, was shot dead in Laval in May.
The two were a study in contrasts, as Sal was known to be short-tempered and enjoyed inflicting brutal punishment - it's said that he even killed or ordered killings - for what would seem trivial or misguided reasons.
Andrew, however, was not known for violence, although he could be brutal if he deemed the situation called for it.
Andrew and Sal were from a tight-knit Calabrian family that grew up in Park Extension and attended William Hingston High.
Andrew found himself hustling for gangsters from the age of 14. So busy was he that he only got around to teaching himself to read and write after the age of 20.
Andrew's brother Sal joined later, but their families - siblings, spouses and kids - were in no way associated with the underworld.
With the decline of the local Rizzuto clan, about four well-organized families are believed to control the local Mafia, with another three less-organized also completing the picture.
The soup includes factions with names like Lopez, a Granby-based faction and the remnants of the old Ponytail Devito crew.
Andrew's death comes as a shock but it was not entirely unexpected, after brother Sal was gunned down in front of his family at a hotel in Laval. Sal had also survived a 2017 shooting in Terrebonne, allegedly by prolific hired-hitman Fred Silva.
Pressure on Andrew ramped up last Tuesday after police arrested four of Sal's closest associates (Jonathan Massari, 38, Dominico Scarfo, 47, Guy Dion, 48, and Marie-Josée Viau, 44) in connection with the 2016 murders of Rocco Sollecito, Lorenzo Giordano, Vincenzo Falduo and Guiseppe Falduto.
Andrew was aware of the pressure and was said to have booked a flight out of the country in the days before his death.
Sal, with his brutal ways and monosyllabic utterances, had incurred the fear and wrath of many in his management the selling of cocaine and heroin in cafes and bars in St. Leonard and other adjacent areas.
Sal's crew of dial-a-dope distributors was a diverse gang of Turks, Lebanese and Arabs, some of whom might have been a little terrified of their boss and could possibly have tipped police off.
One of Sal's distributors, for example, was a 21-year-old Concordia student, who was found dead in a field north of Montreal, after receiving a mere fine for a drunk-driving infraction.
Although the DUI punishment was normal, some believe the dealer was killed because his perceived small punishment for the DUI was seen to suggest that he had gone informant against his boss..
Sal and his crew were an independent unit who were not closely associated with Andrew, who was above Sal in the local crime hierarchy.
However the family link might have been fatal nonetheless.
Andrew was killed - with shots to the face, a sign of disrespect - most likely for one of two reasons.
When Sal's associates were arrested on Tuesday October 15 for the four Mafia murders, it lead rival Mafioso to suspect Andrew's involvement. The four murders were committed with professional precision considered far beyond Sal's competence.
A second credible motive for Andrew's killing lies in his 2017 arrest for possession of over 100 kilos of cocaine inside of the Canadiens condo towers downtown, where he owned three units.
It's possible that there were bad feelings among investors about money lost by police seizing the supply.
The latest developments suggest that much more blood could spill in coming months.

http://coolopolis.blogspot.com/2019/10/andrew-scoppa-killed-in-montreal.html


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They corrected the Toronto Sun story, reporter Brad Hunter attributed to Dubro Anna Sergi’s quote.


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Un simple manche à balai pour torturer les mauvais payeurs

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...-balai-pour-torturer-les-mauvais-payeurs

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Déjà 16 victimes du crime organisé cette année:

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/10/27/deja-16-victimes-du-crime-organise-cette-annee

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Sextorsion: le propriétaire de la Grande Roue aurait exigé 2,5 millions en crypto-monnaie

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-exige-25-millions-en-crypto-monnaie.php

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