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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970806
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I am watching this show Bad blood it really sucks.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970807
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Bad Blood is terrible. 5 minutes into the first episode and the guy playing Rizzuto giving that Morgan Freeman speech to the other gangs I already knew it was gonna be a pile of shit.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970808
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Lol yep Anthony Lapaglia he played Frank Nitti in the movie Nitti as well another horrible film.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970810
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The accents were totally off as well.

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Italians Canadians have their own particular accent

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970813
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Yes my Mother's Italian is different then the Italian I hear on T.V

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: TheKillingJoke] #970824
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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
It's crazy to see how much pull the bikers in Canada have.
I know a few in my area and...well, let's just say they ain't anything like they seem to be in Canada lol.


Mom Boucher did a good job despite all those murders, with the 150 in the biker war we are now probably around 250.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #970826
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Originally Posted by Ciment
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His bro Andrea must be worried. Did they not try to take out Salvatore a couple of years ago? Was there ever an attempt on his bro?


Yes there was an attempt on Salvatore and was shot in the arm but there was also an attempt on the brother Andrea.


On Andrew, when?


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Originally Posted by Moscone65
There are so many Italians in Canada, and many young generations of associates and wannabes waiting for their chance, getting more serious ect, all these guys getting killed will be replaced. One of these days peace is inevitable, either through a new leader to bring balance or through all the main players in the old vendettas dying off. It’s a normal thing in the mob, like Clemenza says, every 10 years or so this stuff happens to get rid of the bad blood and it’s true.


In Montreal it's every 2/3 years.


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Originally Posted by Sonny_Black
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His bro Andrea must be worried. Did they not try to take out Salvatore a couple of years ago? Was there ever an attempt on his bro?


Yes there was an attempt on Salvatore and was shot in the arm but there was also an attempt on the brother Andrea.


On Andrew, when?


There was also an attempt on Andrew's driver Nicola Valiante and his fiancée, who was 36 weeks pregnant at the time.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: TheKillingJoke] #970837
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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
What's the Russian mob in Toronto and Montreal like?

In Antwerp there was a time people were going off about the "Russian mob" but not a single one of them were actually Slavic Russian lol.
The most prevalent were a few Georgian-Jewish families: Melikhov, Biniasjvili, etc... were names that came up often. There were also some groups connected to Mogilevich that set up shop in Antwerp; Boris Nayfeld for instance was involved in heroin trafficking in Antwerp for some time together with another well-known Russian underworld figure named Rachmiel Brandwain. A bit later there were also Chechen, Georgian, Kurdish and Armenian groups from the former USSR active. Chechens were prevalent in organized jewel and gold robbery as well as extortion, as were the Georgians and Armenians (who were active in match-fixing as well). The Georgians settled some internal feuds in Antwerp as well: David Ozmanov, one of Zakhar Kalashov's guys and member of a Yezidi-Kurdish network from Georgia, was stabbed by a few Georgian gangsters - Kalichava, Uglava and Gurchiani - connected to Merab Dzhangveladze.


Yaponchik and other thieves-law had ties to Toronto's Russian communities.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Sonny_Black] #970844
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Originally Posted by Sonny_Black
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His bro Andrea must be worried. Did they not try to take out Salvatore a couple of years ago? Was there ever an attempt on his bro?


Yes there was an attempt on Salvatore and was shot in the arm but there was also an attempt on the brother Andrea.


On Andrew, when?


https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...05-crime-organise-tueurs-a-tout-prix.php



Oct.3, 2014

Neither Nicola Valiente nor his wife were injured. During her testimony, the woman did not exclude that the person targeted by the attack could have owned the condo that the couple lived in and that he was preparing to buy: Andrew Scoppa.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970845
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Isn't Valiente locked up right now for dealing blow?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Sonny_Black] #970855
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Originally Posted by Sonny_Black
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His bro Andrea must be worried. Did they not try to take out Salvatore a couple of years ago? Was there ever an attempt on his bro?


Yes there was an attempt on Salvatore and was shot in the arm but there was also an attempt on the brother Andrea.


On Andrew, when?


Here is the Montreal Gazzette version

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...r-in-the-west-island-a-botched-mafia-hit

Botched Mafia Hit

No one was injured in the shooting but Valiante’s fiancée began to experience early contractions as the couple sought shelter in a nearby Pharmaprix. When she was asked by police why she thought someone might want to kill her or Valiante, the woman replied she believed the shooting was a case of mistaken identity.
The woman is related to Scoppa and was living in a condo he owned in that building.
“I mentioned it was maybe because of who I was renting the place from. I was renting to buy from Andrew Scoppa,” the woman said when she testified at Duroseau’s preliminary inquiry in 2015

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #970856
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Thanks Ciment.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #970863
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Originally Posted by Hollander
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Next murder will be back here in Hamilton seems to be the pattern lately one there and then one here.


It looks like the Rizzuto clan is mounting two offences. One in Quebec & the other is in Ontario and Hamilton is affected for sure. The Rizzuto/Violi war has expanded.
Rizzuto's have formed alliances with several other criminal organizations. The Toronto clans will need more hired help to stop them.


In Quebec Hells Angels are running the show now.



No they're not.

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Well from what we can see now, yes they are.
The bikers do not control the mob, but in drug trafficking and in power, they are the #1 right now.

Before, the mafia would have won a war against the hells angels, but now, its different.

But the mafia have so many contacts, they will probably become the #1 organization in Quebec after the war.

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Vito Rizzuto still resonates in the United States
A famous policeman remembers his intelligence

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MURDER OF SALVATORE SCOPPA
"CHILDREN WERE RUNNING EVERYWHERE, PEOPLE WERE HIDING IN THE TOILETS"

DANIEL RENAUD
THE PRESS
Mafia Salvatore Scoppa crawled to the front door of the Sheraton Hotel in Laval, trying to flee the murderer who finished it in front of several horrified and panicked witnesses who ran out of the lobby before hide in the toilet, where they dialed 911.

"Children were running everywhere. Some people thought he was an active shooter and took refuge in the washrooms, where they contacted relief workers. There were a lot of calls to 911, "said a police source.

The Scoppa family held a family party at the Sheraton on Saturday night. Around 10 pm, while he was with another man in the hotel lobby, Scoppa was attacked by two individuals as he headed for a door.

According to our information, Scoppa would have received a first projectile before collapsing on the ground. He later tried to flee, crawling, and avoid the balls rolling on himself, but his attacker would have followed him by firing a dozen other shots on him, including the head.

The scene was filmed by surveillance cameras of the hotel. The suspects, who would have acted methodically and very coolly, fled in a dark SUV, before disappearing into the night on Highway 15.


TAKEN BY SURPRISE

Scoppa would have been totally taken by surprise. A man who accompanied him would not have had time to intervene. Everything was a matter of endless seconds.

"It may sound like the work of professionals, but it can be done in two ways: the killers still acted in front of several witnesses, in the lobby of a hotel. It does not seem like a trap. They knew that the Scoppa family had a party and they decided to take action. It is likely a crime of opportunity. "

- A police source

It is a member of Scoppa's family who made the reservation, according to our sources.

Of note, there were two other receptions in the adjoining rooms; a party for the end of the hockey season, which would have been ironic taken by Laval police officers, then in civilian clothes, and an engagement or wedding reception, attended by a man associated with the Rizzuto clan. The police believe, however, that the man's presence in the hotel when Scoppa was killed was fortuitous. However, he will likely be questioned by the Crime Investigators against the person from the Sûreté du Québec, to whom the case has been assigned.

At the time of writing, the identity of the suspects, or their belonging to a group, was not confirmed. According to our information, the shooter was wearing a dark coat and pale trousers.

When help arrived, Salvatore Scoppa had no vital signs. He was transported to the hospital, where his death was noticed shortly thereafter. Guests at the hotel had to be treated for nervous shock.

A TARGETED MAN

Mafia Salvatore Scoppa is the brother of the former acting leader of the Montreal Mafia Andrew Scoppa.

Salvatore Scoppa escaped an attempted murder a little over two years ago, in February 2017, in Terrebonne. A man had opened fire at him, wounding him in one arm, while Scoppa was coming out of a restaurant and getting into his vehicle. An alleged hitman, Frederick Silva, was arrested by police last February and is currently charged with this attempted murder.

During the Magot-Mastiff investigation, in which the Sûreté du Québec had decapitated Montreal organized crime in November 2015, the investigators had captured a conversation in the office of the ex-criminal lawyer Loris Cavaliere during which there was talk of Salvatore Scoppa and other Mafiosos.

During the discussion between Stefano Sollecito, Leonardo Rizzuto and gang leader Gregory Woolley, the latter discussed the possibility of eliminating Scoppa and "putting a bullet in his chest" in order to "maintain control of the territory" and to "keep the city". But the younger son of the late godfather Vito Rizzuto had objected.

On more than one occasion, Salvatore Scoppa was notified by the police that his life was threatened. At one point, he even fled to Mexico.

In January 2017, Salvatore Scoppa's home was searched by the Crime Against the Person investigators of the Sûreté du Québec regarding an investigation into the disappearance since 2013 of two individuals linked to drug trafficking, Daniel Pierre and Mohamed Qazi Ali.

In 2016, three close to the Rizzuto clan, Lorenzo Giordano, Rocco Sollecito and Vincenzo Spagnolo, were killed and police sources told La Presse that they suspected that Salvatore Scoppa could be involved in at least one of these crimes, although this has never been proven.

However, since the situation stabilized in Montreal and the storm is brewing on the Ontario side, the name of Salvatore Scoppa, who was nicknamed "Mental in the Criminal", was less on the lips. He was still active, however, according to police sources.

But in the mafia, revenge is exerted just when you least expect it. Scoppa may have been on guard since Silva was behind bars.

The Scoppa have long been considered to be at the head of one of the most influential clans in the Montreal mafia. In 2016, the police regarded Salvatore's brother, Andrew, as the acting head of the mafia. Andrew was arrested and charged with possession of a hundred kilograms of cocaine in 2017, but he was granted a stop in the court process.

The murder of Salvatore Scoppa could provoke a stir in the Montreal mafia.

IN DRUGS AND OTHER CRIMES

In recent years, police have testified in court about alleged involvement of Salvatore Scoppa in drug trafficking and violent crime.

In September 2015, during the investigation of the release of a student suspected of having stored heroin on behalf of the organization of Salvatore Scoppa, an investigator from the Police Department of the City of Montreal (SPVM Sébastien Létourneau described the latter as follows: "Salvatore Scoppa is a leader of known networks in the distribution of heroin and cocaine, and a member of the Italian mafia of Montreal, a high placed, a capo of the Italian mafia, a well-known and highly criminalized individual who oversees heroin sales and distribution networks. "

In December 2016, at the time of the trial of a gang leader, an investigator of the SPVM, Érick Lacoursière, had spoken of Scoppa while, during his testimony, it was about the murder of Marco Campellone, 24, committed in September 2015 to Montreal. The murder of the latter, however, has not been elucidated to date and no one has been charged.

"One source tells us that this gang leader is doing contracts and collecting for organized crime, especially for Salvatore Scoppa. These are basically contracts of murder, attempted murder, kidnapping, arson, home invasion and robbery, "said the witness Lacoursière.

It is because this is an assassination related to organized crime that the investigation into the murder of Salvatore Scoppa has been entrusted to the Sûreté du Québec.

To contact Daniel Renaud, call 514 285-7000, ext. 4918, write to drenaud@lapresse.ca or write to La Presse's mailing address .

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In term of pure strength in Quebec, right now the mafia is too much divised. They need to make alliance with other groups to make war. Also, the mafia don’t have a good pool in the italian community to comite murders. While the haitians and the bikers can take a young guy in his 20s ro kill someone for not mich money.

The Hells Angels and Wolley’s organisation are probably the strongest factors in term of a war.

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Assassination of Salvatore Scoppa: this murder is a message to a mafia clan
The partner and brother of Andrew Scoppa were murdered in the same year


FÉLIX SÉGUIN
Monday, May 6, 2019 01:00
UPDATE Monday, May 6, 2019 01:00
The murder of a Mafioso during a family reunion on Saturday evening at a Laval hotel is perceived by the police as a message to the clan led by his brother.


Leading Mafia clan leader Andrea (Andrew) Scoppa lost his brother Salvatore Scoppa less than a year after the murder of longtime associate Steve Ovadia. Police sources interpret an attack against the mafia faction he leads.

Salvatore Scoppa, 49, had no chance when he was shot several times in the head and chest in the lobby of the Sheraton Laval.

This murder in full family celebration is an unusual way of doing things in the underworld. The murderers have targeted an entire family, not just one person, according to our police sources.
Andrew Scoppa has already been considered by the authorities as the interim leader of the Montreal Mafia. He and his brother were already at loggerheads with the Rizzuto clan, led by Stefano Sollecito.
Operation Magot

The latter suspected the Scoppa to be moles, according to judicial documents of Operation Magot.

"Stefano Sollecito argues that the decision was made to eliminate someone, and Gregory Woolley [at the time at the head of street gangs] adds by saying that a bullet in the chest is what they must do to keep the street, the city ", we summarize from electronic listening.
Salvatore Scoppa is described as a man who made bizarre decisions because of his boiling character. He had thus attracted a good number of enemies over time.

He is suspected by the authorities of having been involved in a dozen murders in recent years, even though he has never been charged.

"He was one of the most dangerous criminals in Quebec," says a police source.

In exile

On at least three occasions, investigators suggested he flee the country because of the risks he ran.

He was forced into exile in 2015 and found refuge in Mexico. According to our information, Scoppa owed money after a drug deal in Peru went awry.

In the police community, it is estimated that this is probably the most significant murder to have occurred in the mafia since those of Rocco Sollecito and Lorenzo Giordano, occurred in 2016.

Last night, no one was arrested in connection with the crime.

- With the collaboration of Amélie St-Yves

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
In term of pure strength in Quebec, right now the mafia is too much divised. They need to make alliance with other groups to make war. Also, the mafia don’t have a good pool in the italian community to comite murders. While the haitians and the bikers can take a young guy in his 20s ro kill someone for not mich money.

The Hells Angels and Wolley’s organisation are probably the strongest factors in term of a war.

i think they use hired killers because they have money to pay them the mafia is by far richer than bikers and haitians it has politics links, involvement in constructions , waste etc. not in street stuff only
in other words the most powerful

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Yes in term of money, connection etc, the italians are probably the strongest. But the mafia now can’t go in war with another organization. Its not like in movies, mobsters can get hit also.

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Yes in term of money, connection etc, the italians are probably the strongest. But the mafia now can’t go in war with another organization. Its not like in movies, mobsters can get hit also.


I agree and like someone said the bikers in Quebec are like the French mafia.


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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Yes in term of money, connection etc, the italians are probably the strongest. But the mafia now can’t go in war with another organization. Its not like in movies, mobsters can get hit also.

the mafia ls also the most violent group in montreal nowadays more killings although all internal to mafia factions

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Yes, cause they are the only group that is at war.
Believe me, if the bikers or the gangs were at war, Montreal would be like Toronto now.

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Theirs a radio show right now in Quebec called Narcos PQ. Its in french.
This week the episode was about the Rizzuto. Interview with the cop that arrested rizzuto and also a high ranking in the DEA.

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Tell me this whole thing would not make the best mob movie ever.

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The cop that arrested Rizzuto tell in the interview.
Rizzuto was a gentleman, when they went to arrest him, in his house. Rizzuto told his wife to give coffee to the officiers, while he dress.

Also, the cop told, that the Rizzuto have more than 1 billion in different banks around the world, Canada, Italy, South America.

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There was a documentary sometime ago about the Rizzutos and there power not only in Canada but Italy and South America all the money they have over there.

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