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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #904375
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Does anyone know how many Violi sons remain active?

We know about Paolos two sons and I was reading about Roccos funeral and he had two sons of his own.

Did Francesco have sons?

The article mentioned that the three remaining brothers of Paolo lived in New York

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The three brothers lived in Parma Ohio near Cleveland whether they moved afterwards I do not know. One of the three died there of natural causes.
I do not know if Francesco had sons but he might of had a daughter. Back in the days they were pushing their own brand of coffee and it was named Nancy after the daughter.

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AntiMafia,

I want you to know that my original post wasn't meant to be disrespectful. If it did then my apology; but believe me I had no intention to pick a fight. I always enjoyed reading your post even if we may disagree at times. We all make errors including myself and there is no shame in that. The benefit is that we can learn from them and be able to carry an amicable discussion.
I find it very admirable on your part to take the time to write this note.
I am looking forward for future discussions.

Regards



Then we are agreed. The traffic in information will be permitted, but controlled, and Ciment will give up protection...

Wait, nevermind. blush


Stop adding fuel to the fire..........LOL

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Giordano] #904385
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Great post as always antimafia. Your posts on mafia in Canada are by far and away the most researched and interesting on this forum.

I 2nd that, I don't post much, but I do find your posts good reading.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #904402
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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/01/12/les-champions-du-reglement-de-compte

The Hells Angels committed a quarter of organized crime murders in Quebec in 60 years.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #904403
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I see an odd resemblance between the biker war and recent mafia war in terms of longevity.

It took the Hells roughly 7-8 years to conclude and declare victory, hasn't this mafia war been going on for at least 7-8 years as well?

I wonder if back in the day, during the biker war, journalists and authors were claiming the demise of the bikers and their overall loss of influence as they're claiming for the montreal mafia today?


As for the Violis, the seem to have many sons left, how many are directly involved remains to be seen/

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #904417
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This obituary that Ciment has shared has the correct information about the number of sons and daughters that Domenico Violi and Annunziata "Nancy" Condina had: seven sons (Paolo, Rocco, Francesco, Giuseppe, Vincenzo, Antonio, and Stefano) and one daughter (Francesca).

Of those children, per the obituary, only Antonio and Stefano survive. I recently recall reading one article written on the day of Rocco Violi's funeral or shortly thereafter that the only males surviving were the patriarch, Domenico, and Rocco's brother "Silvio"--this Silvio was identified as being 41 years old (which would make him, depending on his date of birth, 77 or 78 years old today). I have concluded the reporter got Stefano's name wrong by identifying him as "Silvio"; the reporter obviously also had an incomplete family tree.

eurodave and I likely read the same French-language article, about the funeral, in which the three surviving brothers were identified as living in New York. I will try to find the source in which I read that only the brothers who were involved in organized crime followed Paolo to Canada. (I'm not at home.)

Rocco Violi and his wife, Filomena, had three children: Domenico, Rocco, and Nancy. The two sons got mentioned in articles about the murder and the funeral at the time--the two sons still get mentioned--presumably because Domenico and Rocco were present when their father was murdered. A May 23, 1985 public notice about an auction sale for a particular building, owned by Rocco Violi in some capacity, mentions the 50% stake respectively held by both the three children (minors at the time) and an Antonietta Barbino. My guess is that this Antonietta would be related to Rocco, as the Violis' first cousin Domenico Barbino was involved in the kidnapping of John Paul Getty III in Rome in 1973.

The public notice and Filomena Violi's attempts between November 1980 and October 1996 to seek compensation from the Quebec government's victims' crime fund lead me to believe that she and her children continued to live in Quebec between at least November 1980 and May 1985. They may have lived in Quebec up to at least October 1996 and--who knows?--may still be living in the province.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #904430
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #904435
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That should be interesting!

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I will definitely watch it, but unfortunately we all know it will have an open ending with many plot holes and loose ends, there is no way to avoid it any more, the only possibility has been lost when the dumb judge didn't give Raynald Desjardins a life sentence, that could "stimulate" him to rat. He was the only one who "could" (theoretically at least) tell enough to clarify how things really went in details.


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Not so sure about the casting. Vito was notably tall among other things. Both actors don't really look the part.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Un homme lié à la mafia tué à Montréal-Nord

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ntreal-nord.php

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You think after the other guys are sentenced for sal m murder theyll release all the blackberry text messasgrs. That should solve it all.

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Un homme lié à la mafia tué à Montréal-Nord

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ntreal-nord.php


I guess the Rizzuto clan is not defeated after all.

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Not so sure about the casting. Vito was notably tall among other things. Both actors don't really look the part.


Not only the height but the weight. La Paglia looks a lot heavier.

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When I saw the picture of the Grand Cherokee, I knew it was somewhat mob linked, the Grand Cherokee being a very common choice amongst mafiosi even though the area he was shot in has manyour street gang members.

Its also within a 2km radius of where Angelo Donofrio was killed and Emilio Cordileone was found dead.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions and declare it a Sicilian hit just yet

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Originally Posted By: Ciment
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Un homme lié à la mafia tué à Montréal-Nord

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ntreal-nord.php


I guess the Rizzuto clan is not defeated after all.


Agreed. I really don't think this is over yet. There are still a lot of guys left in the inner circle of the Rizzuto's along with clans that they can work with. Much like when Rizzuto was in prison, they had to weather the attacks and plan before hitting back.

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Un homme lié à la mafia tué à Montréal-Nord

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ntreal-nord.php


That's what we need some Libanese in the mix.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/14/un-homme-connu-des-policiers-assassine-a-montreal-nord

More on Ali Awada killing.

A man close to the mafia murdered in Montreal North
QMI Agency | Published on January 14, 2017 at 05:50 - Update At 10:46
The QMI agency has learned that the man murdered Friday night after being shot in the borough of Montreal North is Ali Awada,and he is well known to the police.

Shortly after 9 pm, citizens heard shots on Sabrevois Street, near Recollets Avenue, and called the police.

Upon arrival, the police found a man shot down by at least one firearm projectile lying on the ground. He was taken to the hospital, where his death was confirmed.

No suspects have been arrested for the moment.
The Montreal police confirmed that the 28-year-old murdered man was "known to police circles".
According to our sources, the 28-year-old man is called Ali Awada. He is the son of Mohamed Awada, a close friend of the Italian and Lebanese mafia murdered in front of his home in November 2012, on Leblanc Avenue, in Montreal North.

Among the 11 people accused in the case of the abduction in June 2008 of Nino de Bartolomeis, had a close relationship with the lieutenant of the mafia at the time, Francesco Arcadi .

Mohamed Awada was finally released in this kidnapping case.

In addition, Ali Awada was arrested in June 2014 as part of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Clemenza project. He was suspected of having taken over from his father.

He also faced charges of arson fires in two Italian cafes in the Saint-Léonard borough in winter 2011 and for participating in a kidnapping allegedly commissioned by the Bastone brothers at the same time.

The Clemenza project was the result of nearly four years of investigation at the expense of two of the Montreal mafia's clans.

- With the collaboration of Maxime Deland.

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I've heard the bastone brothers mentioned in the past, but I don't know a whole lot about them. Does anybody know any more details about them, like do they operate independently as their own clan or part of a clan? who works for them?

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I said in this very thread that I wouldn't count the Rizzuto's out, as did a few others. I immediately thought about this when reading that article and seeing the guy had ties to the De Vito group. This whole thing somewhat resembles what happened prior to Vito Rizzutos release from prison. Which tells me that it's possible that Arcadi & Del Balso are still loyal and still part of, or at least close to the remnants of the Rizzuto group. Let me highlight, that I'm not saying this is a fact, I'm just saying that it's possible.

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I've heard the bastone brothers mentioned in the past, but I don't know a whole lot about them. Does anybody know any more details about them, like do they operate independently as their own clan or part of a clan? who works for them?


This article may answer some of your questions:
Daniel Renaud La Presse
Published February 4, 2015 at 11:01 | Updated on February 05, 2015 at 07:21
A major organized crime cell dismantled by the RCMP
Behind the scenes at the Montreal courthouse, lawyers were even talking about an "imminent strike" just last week. When would the next long awaited phase of the major RCMP Clemenza investigation take place?

The answer came yesterday. Early in the morning, investigators from the Joint Organized Crime Unit (UMECO) struck at residential gates, especially in the Montreal area, and notified four suspects already detained from the first phase last June That further charges would be brought against them.

In total, 15 people, including the alleged ruling heads, brothers Patrizio and Pasquale Silvano, aged 50 and 53 respectively, were arrested. Two suspects, Mathieu Bouchard and Mike Di Battista, were still being sought at the time of writing.

The apprehended individuals appeared by video conference at the Montreal Courthouse. They face a myriad of charges: gangsterism, conspiracy, import, possession and trafficking of cocaine, as well as trafficking in cannabis resin.

The suspects are accused of plotting with dozens of unidentified individuals with nicknames as colorful as Beluga, Cowboy, Spider, Free Tibet, Fish, Dog, Eskimos, Frenchi and Lobster, among others, Apparently appearing on hundreds of text messages exchanged by the suspects and intercepted by the investigators.
An ambitious clan

According to the police, the cell of the Silvano brothers attempted to take control of the distribution of cocaine in the Maritimes and part of the Montreal area and Ontario. It worked hand in hand with two other cells dismantled during the June 2014 strike, those of the brothers Bastone and the late lieutenant of the mafia Giuseppe De Vito, even exchanging henchmen. According to our sources, the Bastone brothers are very close to Vittorio Mirarchi, former protégé of Raynald Desjardins accused with his former mentor of the murder of aspirant-godfather Salvatore Montagna.

Moreover, among the individuals arrested yesterday, we find Steven Fracas, another of the co-accused of Mirarchi and Desjardins.

According to our sources, the cell of the Silvano brothers took over from the D'Amico family in the area of ​​Granby, controlled territories in the sectors of Lachine and Ottawa and sold his drugs in Italian bars and cafes . His headquarters was a cafe on Jarry street, in the north of Montreal.
An ingenious process

One of the charges concerns an import of cocaine from Bogotá, Colombia. It is in fact a spectacular import of 10 kilos of cocaine mixed with asphalt powder, the seizure at the Montreal-Trudeau airport was announced by communique by the border services officers on October 26, 2011 In light of the events that occurred yesterday, there is reason to believe that Customs officers had received information from their federal colleagues in the RCMP.

The procedure to amalgamate the cocaine and the asphalt would have been developed by one of the defendants, Sébastien Flocari, true amateur chemist, and was intended to thwart sniffer dogs and mystify customs officers both Colombian and Canadian.

Cocaine, valued at 1.2 million, had been concealed in 10 bags of asphalt powder. It was intended for a company of refrigerated trailers, warehousing of all kinds and "import and distribution of raw materials" of Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu.

Although it is in its third round of arrests, the Clemenza investigation is continuing.

The Clemenza survey

In an investigation of drug importers Cynique, in 2010, RCMP investigators intercept conversations between one of the suspects, Piero Arena, and one of the Silvano brothers. The Cynic survey also allows investigators to target another individual, Giuseppe Collapelle, who communicates with Vittorio Mirarchi and Raynald Desjardins. The RCMP is launching the Clemenza investigation, targeting several Mafia cells that are taking advantage of the weakening of the Rizzuto clan to gain momentum. Raynald Desjardins and his protégé Vittorio Mirarchi are already in the crosshairs of the RCMP when the aspirant-godfather Salvatore Montagna was killed on 24 November 2011 in Charlemagne. The evidence gathered by the RCMP is shared with the SQ. Desjardins and its alleged accomplices were arrested a month later, in what is a first phase of the Clemenza investigation, but which is renamed Inertia. This resounding case, however, leads to delays in the continuation of the Clemenza investigation.

14 June 2014

The RCMP strikes the cells of Giuseppe De Vito, the Bastone brothers, and some collaborators of the Desjardins and Mirarchi clans. This is the first official phase of Clemenza.

4 February 2015

The RCMP moved into Phase 2 and did not rule out another strike.
People arrested
Giuseppe Arcoraci, 49 years old, Lasalle
Davide Barberio, 35 years old, Rivière-des-Prairies
Antonio Bastone, 52 years old, Saint-Jean-de-Matha
Roberto Bastone, 42 years old, Laval
Jocelyne Daoust, 58 years old, Blainville
Alain Duhamel, 58 years old, Blainville
Sébastien Flocari, 37 years old, Longueuil
Steven Fracas, 30, incarcerated
Mona Hrtschan, 50, address unknown
Artur Klodkowski, 38, incarcerated
Stéphan Parent, 47, incarcerated
Pasquale Silvano, 53 years old, Laval-des-Rapides
Patrizio Silvano, 50 years old, Laval-des-Rapides
Luigi Simeone, 44 years old, Montreal
Jenica Teleu, 56 years old, Laval-des-Rapides
Mathieu Bouchard ... - image 3.0
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Mathieu Bouchard

Suspects Still Wanted
Mathieu Bouchard, 37, address unknown
Mike Di Battista, 39, address unknown

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Seems like Pizzi related dealership hit again

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Thanks Ciment. Interesting sentence regarding the Silvano brothers taking over for the D'Amico family in Granby. I wonder how that played out.

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Pizzi again. lol... We should start a pool to see how long he lasts.

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Thanks Ciment. Interesting sentence regarding the Silvano brothers taking over for the D'Amico family in Granby. I wonder how that played out.


The walked into Granby and said this is ours now. Then they got busted.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Thanks Ciment. Interesting sentence regarding the Silvano brothers taking over for the D'Amico family in Granby. I wonder how that played out.


The walked into Granby and said this is ours now. Then they got busted.


Really? I hadn't heard that. D'Amico's were not intimidated at all by Arcadi. Did they put up a fight against the Silvano's?

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