I also remember reading in the book that Gallo had given this book to the Calabrians and other sports book operation had been given to Montagna.
When Rizzuto got out of prison the Calabrians(Ndrangheta) had given back that book to the Rizzuto's.

My point on this is, since it changed hands by so many, what stopped them from making copies of these book(s).

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...es-a-proces.php

The alleged Montreal mafia leaders cited at trial

Ciment,

You seem to have written the above in anger and, as a result, quite possibly in haste.

Some posters get the impression from an earlier post of yours that only you and eurodave are qualified to reliably comment on the goings-on of organized crime in Quebec.

The post I've quoted above seems to be conveying to me and other posters that now we aren't allowed to comment on the goings-on of organized crime in Ontario, despite the fact some of us live in this province.

Giuseppe and Domenico Violi are indeed Rosetta Commisso's nephews. Other than Rosetta Commisso and Domenico Luppino's children, no one related to Rosetta is related to these Violis. Even if Rosetta were a sibling of Cosimo, Remo, and Michele Commisso, these Violis would not be related to the Commisso brothers. (Incidentally, the Commisso brothers' mother, Emilia, died in March 2015. All the obituaries and death notices I have read do not mention any children other than the three aforementioned brothers.)

By your logic, the Commissos would be related to the Rizzutos. But they are not.

I have more to write about the errors in your post, and the only way I can do that is to provide the evidence from a number of books and the odd French-language article. Stay tuned.

What if Joe Massino never flipped and Vito Rizzuto was never indicted on the three capos murder charges. What if Vito never left Montreal and received his cancer treatment in top notch Montreal hospitals rather than a Federal pen hospital. How many of these guys who have met their demise over the past ten plus years would still be alive right now? Most? All?

I for one do not claim to have the answers and I think most of us know little at best.

That being said antimafia, while your knowledge and patience is impressive, it can be questioned or challenged.

Some us of live here, you live there, some of us also come from the old country and not everything we hear or see will be edited by the national post or montreal gazette.

I don't know if these are considered big names, and I've probably missed a few as well because i'm doing this quickly and off the top of my head.

Rizzuto inner circle
-Leonardo Rizzuto
-Stefano Sollecito
-Giuseppe Sollecito
-Mario Sollecito
-Domenico Manno
-Liborio Manno
-Emanuele Ragusa
-Pat Ragusa
-Luigi Vella (son in law of e. Ragusa/bro. in law to nick jr.)
-Nicola Spagnolo

Others that could still support Rizzuto's
-Francesco Arcadi clan ( Francesco Del Baso, Stefano Arcadi,Giuseppe Torre, Carmelo Cannistraro, Girolamo Del Baso)
-Liborio [BadWord] clan
-Vito Salvaggio (not sure where he fits in with regards to clans/associates, but I think he is a supporter)
-Marco Pizzi (seems like he is being attacked due to his association with the book, which sounds like rizzuto's/sollecito still control.)

Who am I missing?

Di Maulo's brother?

Antimafia,

Little that you know I still had respect for you up until you wrote that I was angry and in haste. I therefore am removing the word respectfully from my original post that I wrote to you. I do not know why you include Eurodave in a post that I wrote and he had nothing to do with it. Is it you that is angry ?
You can write all the errors you want your analysis is still flawed. You yourself just stated they are nephews. Make up your mind. Your splitting hairs here.
You also make statements having nothing to back it up but yet you want proof from others.
Furthermore this statement of yours "The post I've quoted above seems to be conveying to me and other posters that now we aren't allowed to comment on the goings-on of organized crime in Ontario, despite the fact some of us live in this province."

I stated in an earlier post that there are others on this forum that are also knowledgeable including myself and you. But yet you chose to ignore that.
In my opinion, for making such a statement,your nothing short of a liar and I have lost all respect for you.
Furthermore, eurodave has been nothing but polite with you and I say this on the record. It is you that can't accept other peoples opinions.

It is you that is angry and I think you and I both know why.

Quite a few names there although some are higher ranking than others.

It would be smart for the remnants of the sicilian clan to just keep operating under the new powers much like the Cotroni clan did and maybe one day, re-take the throne.

Very good reply you are more of a gentleman than I am.

Antimafia,

I checked the obituary and it mentions Cherished Nonna and Bis-Nonna.

And it doesn't mention whose kids they are.

Tell me antimafia is this another one of your lies ?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/laval-rene-laennec-fire-businesses-vimont-1.3927074

More info on the fire.

Let's not start a mob war here. It might interfere with business (gaining knowledge/debating).

I will take your advise Sonny Black, for me the matter is closed.

On a lighter note the salons Instagram page posted a pic 3 days ago at their other location saying that nobody can knock them down lol

Sure there buddy...lol

Don't you want strict assurances from antimafia? I mean, as time goes by and his position grows stronger, he might attempt any individual vendetta.

LOL

We are all honorable men here, we do not have to give each other assurances as if we were lawyers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-mafia-rizzuto-next-godfather-1.3927993

Assassinations, firebombs on rise as mobsters fight to be crowned Montreal's next godfather

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...ed-to-21-months

Lawyer sentenced for bribing RCMP.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...angsterism-case

Alleged Montreal Mafia leaders opt for jury trial in gangsterism case.

That looks like a current mugshot of Leonardo, haven't seen that one before I don't think?

And I agree guys lets not go at it, this thread has been great so far and we don't need to tear each other up over something and ruin the whole deal for everyone involved.

Ciment,

You are free to comment on anyone's posts, as am I. I hope you continue to comment on my posts because I will certainly continue to comment on yours. Any poster should feel comfortable commenting on the accuracy, veracity, and speculation found in another's post, as long as the commenting is done in a certain manner, i.e., is civil, respectful, non-shaming, etc.--this is an ideal when providing criticism of someone else's post, and I know that we posters often fall short.

I don't think you were trying to convey that you are going to be disrespectful to me in the future to the point that you would risk a temporary or permanent suspension from the board--I am not making a threat; nor am I giving you advice.

I've linked below to the page you either have in your files or may have come upon when you were searching for Emilia Commisso's obituary online:

http://demarcofuneralhomes.com/book-of-memories/2077380/Commisso-Emilia/obituary.php

If I am understanding you properly, you are suggesting or know for a fact that the Commisso brothers' children and grandchildren are related to Giuseppe and Domenico Violi. Should you not be correct, it's water under the bridge.

Should you be correct, I won't hesitate to apologize to you, not only because it's the right thing to do but also because a number of organized-crime authors and experts who have influenced my view of the relationship between the Commisso brothers and the Violi sons' father (Paolo) and uncles were either off the mark or caused me not to think of the possibility that the Commisso brothers would have better relations with Paolo's sons than with Paolo and his brothers.

In short, the tensions between the Commisso brothers and the Violis in the 1970s arose from 1) strongly differing opinions about Mommo Piromalli in Gioia Tauro, Reggio Calabria; and 2) the Siderno Group's being upset with Paolo Violi's having violated 'ndrangheta protocol when he enlisted a Siderno Group member in a caper in Toronto without first seeking permission. To this I might add, although the subject is different, that the Commissos' befriending Nick Rizzuto Sr. in the 1970s--especially after Paolo Violi was killed--must have been a supreme insult to the Luppino group in Hamilton.

Each 'ndrina looks after its own members first and foremost, even when it's part of a locale. What you consider to be splitting hairs, I consider to be crucial to figuring out why, over the GTA Siderno Group's 60-to-65-year history, certain 'ndrine in the group are aligned with other 'ndrine and with 'ndrine in Calabria (and now in other parts of Italy); why disagreements may erupt between individuals who are somehow related by blood or marriage; why the camera di controllo, or la commissione, is more a tool for dispute resolution than the coordination of what each 'ndrina does.

The Luppino-Violi group in Hamilton is a 'ndrina that is autonomous; so if Paolo Violi's sons wanted to kill the people who were involved in plotting their father's murder and who committed it, there has never been any necessity to get the okay from the more powerful Siderno Group in the GTA. The various 'ndrangheta groups in Ontario do not have to act--and should not act--as one man. But insofar as some of these disparate groups may have been or are collaborating together, say, for the takeover of the Montreal Mafia, disagreements or splits should not be surprising to anyone.

In my time I have made some embarrassing posts on this forum and others; below is a link to the post on this forum that caused me the most embarrassment afterward:

Oops!

I am certainly not above making factual errors in my posts but I will admit I am more prone to making poor predictions, as many of us have done during this Montreal mob war.

In the past 11 years there has been a treasure trove of information about the GTA Siderno Group for serious and recreational researchers. The GTA Siderno Group is the criminal group I spend the most time actually researching because you really have to do a lot of excavating in the Italian-language government documents and arrest warrants. The odd time, posters have asked me a question about the group on this forum, and I've tried my best to answer to the best of my ability. You have an avid interest in the 'ndrangheta groups in Ontario and in the scarce but historic presence of Siderno Group members in Quebec, as do I, so please don't hesitate to ask me about family trees, investigations targeting the Siderno Group, and anything else. For the past little while I have been working on constructing a tree for Paolo Violi and his family, and what struck me is how no organized-crime authors or reporters seem to have ever followed up on whatever happened to Rocco Violi's wife and her children--this is material for another thread; so I'll save the information for later.

Great post as always antimafia. Your posts on mafia in Canada are by far and away the most researched and interesting on this forum.

AntiMafia,

I want you to know that my original post wasn't meant to be disrespectful. If it did then my apology; but believe me I had no intention to pick a fight. I always enjoyed reading your post even if we may disagree at times. We all make errors including myself and there is no shame in that. The benefit is that we can learn from them and be able to carry an amicable discussion.
I find it very admirable on your part to take the time to write this note.
I am looking forward for future discussions.

Regards

Thanks for the kind words, Giordano. There are many posters on this forum who spend a lot of time researching their own areas of interest but aren't as long in the tooth as I am. :-)

I too am looking forward to the discussions. If the mob war in Montreal were to end tomorrow, there would be countless hours I would still be spending on examining the roots and causes of the war, the relationships between mobsters, significant events, etc.

The common business interests that Raynald Desjardins and Domenico Arcuri Jr. still currently have is nothing short of astonishing, and a big credit goes to to Montreal Gazette reporter Linda Gyulai for her research and articles. I am finding this particularly fascinating.

An opinion I also share.


In what may be a completely unrelated matter, in fact I think it is, other than the acknowledgement of their being mafia in Ontario. Over the course of the extortion trial for Giuseppe D'Anna of Detroit, it came out that he and his brother, Girolamo routinely met mafia members from Ontario at a Sapori restaurant in Washington Township. Some of the matters presumably discussed was Girolamo taking over Giuseppe's position as captain, in an acting capacity, should Giuseppe have to serve time stemming from this recent trial. It's something interesting, as at the very least it still goes to show that a relationship exists between the Detroit Mafia and mob figures in Ontario. The D'Annas have familial ties to Terrasini & their local mafia, and their cousin is as of most recent news, possibly the current mafia boss of the town. It's said the D'Anna family still control the town though. The blood family itself, I mean. And Girolamo visited there for over a month, during his brothers trial. Nothing of real relevance to current going-ons in Montreal, but it's still interesting, at least I think.

Was the reason to release Sollecito early in relation to his health? Because other than that, I just can't see why they'd let Stefano out, if they really do care about these guys being targets for hits and such. Also quite interesting that they'd let him out amidst all this but kept Arcadi & Del Balso locked up, supposedly "for their own safety."

Then we are agreed. The traffic in information will be permitted, but controlled, and Ciment will give up protection...

Wait, nevermind.

With regards to the Luppino/Violi I agree with you that they are an autonomous Ndrine and in normal circumstances don't need permission.The reason why I felt that they needed permission is that the Violi's on their own could not win a war against the Rizzuto's based on their size and manpower. In order to mount an effective attack they would of needed to form a coalition with one or more Ndrangheta clan and therefore would not strike without their consent. I don't think a coalition with the Violi's and any other clan from Montreal would of been enough but this is just an opinion of mine.
The Violi son's had moved to Hamilton when their father was murdered and were raised by the Luppino's be it the grandfather Giocomo or the Luppino uncles.Their father's actions in the 70's in my opinion would not undermine the Violi sons relation with the Commisso's based on the fact the Luppino's raised them. When their uncle Domenico Luppino married Rosetta Commisso that put the Violi's sons in a favorable position with the Commisso's. From the Emilia obituary we know that great grand kids (Bis nonna) exist this is why I stated that the Violi's and I emphasize could be first cousins with Remo Commisso's grand kids. The possibilty is there but just based on the marriage alone is enough to benefit the Violi sons.
Another factor to consider was the good relationship Bruzzese/Coluccio had with Rizzuto. I know it later deteriorated but while it lasted attacking the Rizzuto's would of been a problem.

On another note I too wondered what has become of Rocco kids. There is not much talk about them. I also find they do not talk about the other three Paolo Violi brothers that lived in Ohio. I seen an obituary of one of them but the other two may still be alive.